State of the Recruiting Class - 2024

[Dale]

Dale - so you don't think ND's academics are limiting the pool of recruits??? Lets not make things up. For every one academically determined Top 100 recruit that would want an academic rigor of an ND (plus side for ND) you probably have four or five that are actually not eligible OR not interested in being driven by the school academically. Again, this is part of what killed Holtz's recruiting. Just a fact.

Also, if a student is academically gifted - its not like ND has a monopoly. Michigan, Duke, UNC, Stanford and others can also talk about their high academics, too. And Michigan is in the CFP again. The difference is that Michigan has more leeway despite having great academics, too.

SMH.

“Let’s not make things up”…..proceeds to just make up a stat and call it a fact.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

“Let’s not make things up”…..proceeds to just make up a stat and call it a fact.

At least 80% of the Top 100 recruits in any given year are academically ineligible for admittance to Notre Dame, Dale. It's just #BasicMaths.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Figuring we land Hartman I would say we are a DE and safety transfer away from being title contenders

 

[Irishdrunk]

Figuring we land Hartman I would say we are a DE and safety transfer away from being title contenders

And good / great coaching.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I don't know what Graham's grades are, but it's interesting looking back at some players who were able to get into school. Paddy Mullen had a 2.2 GPA entering his Senior year of HS, Robert Hughes and Ian Williams had GPA's in the mid-2's, and Louis Nix had a 2.5 GPA coming out of a public HS.

If I remember correctly Paddy Mullen had a conditional offer that he needed to reach certain academic goals ND required his senior year in order to obtain the scholarship offer. The kid busted his ass and did whatever ND required him to do.

 

[NDMatt91]

I just looked over the ND offer list and they offered 61 of the top 100 players in the 2023 class per 247. There were 6 other top 100 recruits that didn't have a ND offer but held offers from Stanford or NW.

 

[Dale]

They probably can’t cut it or don’t care about academics is how guys like Braylon James slip through the cracks when BK/Del are your coaches and not Freeman/Stuckey

 

[Old Man Mike]

It would be interesting to cut through a little part of the bullsh!t in this issue and know at what time in a recruitment process does the staff have to know for sure whether a student "has the transcript necessary" for an actionable offer, or for a "if you do this, then..." offer, or for a "this guy is in the University Gray Area, but we should put out some kind of offer, and see how the assessment pans out." I assume that there are offers and there are "offers" and maybe there are shades of "offers." Public announcements from the staff/university might not distinguish things, and public announcements from recruits and/or HS coaches might or might not reflect truth or any subtlety in the truth.

Maybe "first flurries" of ND offers to top rateds are fully solid ... or maybe we need to think more nuancedly. Schools like Michigan just spew offers all over typically; one of the southern powers is even worse. Can those guys have much of a clue about actual transcripts at that time? Does that behavior by other powers push ND to toss around some offers of some nature academically prematurely?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

It would be interesting to cut through a little part of the bullsh!t in this issue and know at what time in a recruitment process does the staff have to know for sure whether a student "has the transcript necessary" for an actionable offer, or for a "if you do this, then..." offer, or for a "this guy is in the University Gray Area, but we should put out some kind of offer, and see how the assessment pans out." I assume that there are offers and there are "offers" and maybe there are shades of "offers." Public announcements from the staff/university might not distinguish things, and public announcements from recruits and/or HS coaches might or might not reflect truth or any subtlety in the truth.

Maybe "first flurries" of ND offers to top rateds are fully solid ... or maybe we need to think more nuancedly. Schools like Michigan just spew offers all over typically; one of the southern powers is even worse. Can those guys have much of a clue about actual transcripts at that time? Does that behavior by other powers push ND to toss around some offers of some nature academically prematurely?

We have seen this already, ND often will offer a kid based on his talent and as they work through the steps (transcripts being one) they find out more if they are a fit. Get the kid an offer, on the radar then put it together. I don't know/think this is always the case, but we have seen it before. The RB, M Stepp? was a take, but had some academic things to clean up. Never could and they parted ways. On the other hand ND doesn't just offer EVERY player with a pulse like Meatchicken , but they are willing to take some chances and figure it out as they go along.

 

[laughingirish90]

This is why Notre Dame will be so challenged to win a national title they take the student athlete the student part of it so much more seriously than all the other major programs. That just limits again and again the recruiting pool. The same thing happened at the end of the Holtz era

don't know if i totally agree with what you said only because the wbb team has been a national title contender for several years now except for the first year of Ivey's head coaching career and plus the men and women fencing teams and the mens lax team are always national title contenders

 

[IrishSpartan]

Players these days mostly qualify. These kids understand to have the best options their grades do matter and and they and there families have been planning for this for years.

 

[Irishdrunk]

don't know if i totally agree with what you said only because the wbb team has been a national title contender for several years now except for the first year of Ivey's head coaching career and plus the men and women fencing teams and the mens lax team are always national title contenders

And the Chess Club is doing very well too.

 

[irishff1014]

Dale - so you don't think ND's academics are limiting the pool of recruits??? Lets not make things up. For every one academically determined Top 100 recruit that would want an academic rigor of an ND (plus side for ND) you probably have four or five that are actually not eligible OR not interested in being driven by the school academically. Again, this is part of what killed Holtz's recruiting. Just a fact.

Also, if a student is academically gifted - its not like ND has a monopoly. Michigan, Duke, UNC, Stanford and others can also talk about their high academics, too. And Michigan is in the CFP again. The difference is that Michigan has more leeway despite having great academics, too.

SMH.

First off student athlete. Not athlete student. That’s how ND has always been. If you don’t like that maybe go root for Michigan.

If you don’t think our student athlete already get different treatment than a regular student you need to wake up.

This will take their chances with kids and then the kids just don’t do their end of the work. It’s life. Again on of the reasons most like ND. It s not just another college that has spoiled rooted athletes that don’t go to class or graduate.

 

[Irishdrunk]

First off student athlete. Not athlete student. That’s how ND has always been. If you don’t like that maybe go root for Michigan.

If you don’t think our student athlete already get different treatment than a regular student you need to wake up.

This will take their chances with kids and then the kids just don’t do their end of the work. It’s life. Again on of the reasons most like ND. It s not just another college that has spoiled rooted athletes that don’t go to class or graduate.

That is what I said. Not sure your response. ND has academic standards which reduces the pool. Both getting into ND and desire to to pursue academics at ND.

 

[PolishDomer]

don't know if i totally agree with what you said only because the wbb team has been a national title contender for several years now except for the first year of Ivey's head coaching career and plus the men and women fencing teams and the mens lax team are always national title contenders

Also add the Men and Women's Soccer teams are quite competitive as well

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Players these days mostly qualify. These kids understand to have the best options their grades do matter and and they and there families have been planning for this for years.

Plus, if you have a pulse its like actually hard not to get decent grades in school these days. They won’t fail kids, you can retake tests a dozen times until you get an 80, you can turn in work past deadlines, you can use calculators and phones to get answers, etc. if a kid is struggling with school in this day and age there is either a true disability or HUGE red flags.

 

[Dale]

We do? Singer with the scoop? What is this madness?

 

[CanadalovesND]

ND is putting together a junior day on January 14th.

A few big time names are scheduled to be there: Adarius Hayes, Payton Pierce, Tae Johnson, Jacob & Jerod Smith. Not official yet for the Smith twins but they are finalizing it.

Staff still working on a few more guys. Carr, Williams, Larsen, Hobbs & Wafle are all joining as well.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

ND is putting together a junior day on January 14th.

A few big time names are scheduled to be there: Adarius Hayes, Payton Pierce, Tae Johnson, Jacob & Jerod Smith. Not official yet for the Smith twins but they are finalizing it.

Staff still working on a few more guys. Carr, Williams, Larsen, Hobbs & Wafle are all joining as well.

Scott?

 

[CanadalovesND]

Scott?

Lol

 

[INLaw]

$cott. Feel like pay sites have been less than subtle about forgetting this one.

 

[irishff1014]

 

[notredomer23]

Bold=Committed
Italics=Good shot
Plain text=a shot, but some work to do

I am sure I am missing a lot of names and most of this is fluid, but these are the names I’m currently tracking the most with italics indicating I think most of them will be part of the class

QB- CJ Carr
RB- Aneyas Williams
RB- Darrion Dupre
RB- Corey Smith
WR- Cam Williams
WR- Jeremiah McClellan
WR- Bredell Richardson
WR- Jason Robinson
WR- Emmett Mosley
WR- Ryan Wingo
OL- Peter Jones
OL- Styles Prescod
OL- Caleb Brewer
OL- Guerby Lambert
TE1- Jack Larsen
TE2- TBD
DL- Jerod Smith
DL- Jacob Smith
DL- Owen Wafle
DL- Justin Scott
DL- TJ Lindsay
DL- Bryce Young
DL- Adarius Hayes
DL- Benedict Umeh
LB- Payton Pierce
LB- Kris Jones
LB- Aaron Chiles
CB- Karson Hobbs
CB- Terryon Nichols
S- Mike Matthews
S- Kaj Sanders
S- Vaboue Toure
S- Tylen Singleton
S/WR- Josiah Brown
S/WR- Brauntae Johnson

Who’s next to go from italics to bold? Sure seems like Payton Pierce is a possibility.

 

[CanadalovesND]

There has been some positive movement with the Smith twins over the last month or two, and there could likely be a commitment from them both in the coming weeks/months.

 

[NDFAN2008]

There has been some positive movement with the Smith twins over the last month or two, and there could likely be a commitment from them both in the coming weeks/months.

Coming from who?

 

[irishff1014]

Coming from who?

Washington made a big impression.

 

[irish4ever]

Bold=Committed
Italics=Good shot
Plain text=a shot, but some work to do

I am sure I am missing a lot of names and most of this is fluid, but these are the names I’m currently tracking the most with italics indicating I think most of them will be part of the class

QB- CJ Carr
RB- Aneyas Williams
RB- Darrion Dupre
RB- TBD
WR- Cam Williams
WR- Jeremiah McClellan
WR- Bredell Richardson
WR- Jason Robinson
WR- Emmett Mosley
WR- Ryan Wingo
OL- Peter Jones
OL- Styles Prescod
OL- Caleb Brewer
OL- Guerby Lambert
TE1- Jack Larsen
TE2- TBD
DL- Jerod Smith
DL- Jacob Smith
DL- Owen Wafle
DL- Justin Scott
DL- Bryce Young
DL- Adarius Hayes
DL- Benedict Umeh
LB- Payton Pierce
LB- Kris Jones
LB- Aaron Chiles
CB- Karson Hobbs
CB- TBD
S- Mike Matthews
S- Kaj Sanders
S- Vaboue Toure
S- Tylen Singleton
S/WR- Josiah Brown

Who’s next to go from italics to bold? Sure seems like Payton Pierce is a possibility.

I sure hope so. Everything I've seen and read on him is a definite WANT from a LB talent and team player standpoint.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Is there a list of guys who were there yesterday

 

[notredomer23]

Is there a list of guys who were there yesterday

Visitors thread post 1

 

[domer13]

Bold=Committed
Italics=Good shot
Plain text=a shot, but some work to do

I am sure I am missing a lot of names and most of this is fluid, but these are the names I’m currently tracking the most with italics indicating I think most of them will be part of the class

QB- CJ Carr
RB- Aneyas Williams
RB- Darrion Dupre
RB- TBD
WR- Cam Williams
WR- Jeremiah McClellan
WR- Bredell Richardson
WR- Jason Robinson
WR- Emmett Mosley
WR- Ryan Wingo
OL- Peter Jones
OL- Styles Prescod
OL- Caleb Brewer
OL- Guerby Lambert
TE1- Jack Larsen
TE2- TBD
DL- Jerod Smith
DL- Jacob Smith
DL- Owen Wafle
DL- Justin Scott
DL- Bryce Young
DL- Adarius Hayes
DL- Benedict Umeh
LB- Payton Pierce
LB- Kris Jones
LB- Aaron Chiles
CB- Karson Hobbs
CB- TBD
S- Mike Matthews
S- Kaj Sanders
S- Vaboue Toure
S- Tylen Singleton
S/WR- Josiah Brown

Who’s next to go from italics to bold? Sure seems like Payton Pierce is a possibility.

Putting your italicized commits into the 247 Class Calculator, we would have a team score of 277.40 with 20 commits (just behind the '23 class of 279.94).

If I throw in Justin Scott and Emmett Mosely, the class jumps to 288.83 with 22 commits, which would have put us at sixth overall this year, between Oklahoma and Ohio State.

If I add Tae Johnson, Ryan Wingo, Corey Smith, Marquise Lightfoot, TJ Lindsey, Terhyon Nichols, and Kaj Sanders (all guys On3 has us ahead or squarely in the mix for right now), that number goes to 303.31 with 29 commits. which would have put us at fourth overall, just behind Texas.