State of Indiana and Basketball (Hoosiers)

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I've lurked here for a long time, but I had to join because I keep hearing about Milan and the movie "Hoosiers" from you guys, and I've gotten tired of the short shrift Illinois high school basketball gets around here. Growing up in rural Illinois back in the 60s when it was single class, we had the Green Giants of Hebron (enrollment of 98, a smaller school than Milan, and a team that only had 5 players), and won the single class state title at the old Huff Gym at U of I beating perennial state power Quincy in 1952, so 2 years before Milan did. We also had the Cobden Appleknockers of 1964, who almost did the same thing as Hebron, but lost in the final game. The term 'March Madness' was actually coined by a newspaper writer covering Illinois boys basketball back in the 1940s. The local newspapers would publish the poem "The Basketball Ides of March" on the front page every year when the tournament started, and students at the local schools would always be allowed to go the school library to watch the tournament quarter and semi finals Thursday and Friday afternoons on their lunch periods. Now I will agree that in the last 30 years or so basketball frenzy has faded a bit in the Land of Lincoln, but back in the single class days, here on the prairie we could go toe-to-toe with anything going on next door.........;)

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Welcome! I love hearing these stories. I’m a Minnesotan myself, so high scho hockey is the stuff that captures the imagination. My hometown has fallen on hard times when it comes to high school athletics, but it’s always fun to watch the State Tourney and follow the section games as well this time of year
 

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I've lurked here for a long time, but I had to join because I keep hearing about Milan and the movie "Hoosiers" from you guys, and I've gotten tired of the short shrift Illinois high school basketball gets around here. Growing up in rural Illinois back in the 60s when it was single class, we had the Green Giants of Hebron (enrollment of 98, a smaller school than Milan, and a team that only had 5 players), and won the single class state title at the old Huff Gym at U of I beating perennial state power Quincy in 1952, so 2 years before Milan did. We also had the Cobden Appleknockers of 1964, who almost did the same thing as Hebron, but lost in the final game. The term 'March Madness' was actually coined by a newspaper writer covering Illinois boys basketball back in the 1940s. The local newspapers would publish the poem "The Basketball Ides of March" on the front page every year when the tournament started, and students at the local schools would always be allowed to go the school library to watch the tournament quarter and semi finals Thursday and Friday afternoons on their lunch periods. Now I will agree that in the last 30 years or so basketball frenzy has faded a bit in the Land of Lincoln, but back in the single class days, here on the prairie we could go toe-to-toe with anything going on next door.........;)

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Hoosier Hysteria wasn't about small town teams beating the big city powers or single class basketball. It's not about what happened on the court at all.

Hoosier Hysteria was about what happened in the stands. It was about how many fan buses and cars were behind the team bus going to away games.
 

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I've lurked here for a long time, but I had to join because I keep hearing about Milan and the movie "Hoosiers" from you guys, and I've gotten tired of the short shrift Illinois high school basketball gets around here. Growing up in rural Illinois back in the 60s when it was single class, we had the Green Giants of Hebron (enrollment of 98, a smaller school than Milan, and a team that only had 5 players), and won the single class state title at the old Huff Gym at U of I beating perennial state power Quincy in 1952, so 2 years before Milan did. We also had the Cobden Appleknockers of 1964, who almost did the same thing as Hebron, but lost in the final game. The term 'March Madness' was actually coined by a newspaper writer covering Illinois boys basketball back in the 1940s. The local newspapers would publish the poem "The Basketball Ides of March" on the front page every year when the tournament started, and students at the local schools would always be allowed to go the school library to watch the tournament quarter and semi finals Thursday and Friday afternoons on their lunch periods. Now I will agree that in the last 30 years or so basketball frenzy has faded a bit in the Land of Lincoln, but back in the single class days, here on the prairie we could go toe-to-toe with anything going on next door.........;)

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These stories are great and are soon to be lost. Thank you so much for sharing.


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Hoosier Hysteria wasn't about small town teams beating the big city powers or single class basketball. It's not about what happened on the court at all.

Hoosier Hysteria was about what happened in the stands. It was about how many fan buses and cars were behind the team bus going to away games.
Yes! We Hoosiers love our basketball.

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Hoosier Hysteria wasn't about small town teams beating the big city powers or single class basketball. It's not about what happened on the court at all.

Hoosier Hysteria was about what happened in the stands. It was about how many fan buses and cars were behind the team bus going to away games.
Many a story of towns closing down because everyone was going to the game.

In '69, we (Warren Central) played Washington who is considered by many to be the greatest HS team to play. We played them in the regular season and lost by 45. Fast forward to the tournament. We upset the favorite to win the Southport sectional. In the regional we won the afternoon game to go to the regional championship against Washington. We're feeling good because we're on a roll and have our second 6'9" guy back in the lineup after not playing against Washington earlier in the year. Hinkle Fieldhouse is packed. Big George McGinnis and team led 35-0 before we scored. Lost by 45 for a second time. lol
 
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I was just in Michigan city for a regional basketball game a week or two and the gym did not feel overwhelming at all. I grew up watching games at Northside gym in Elkhart, so big gyms are the norm.
 

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You guys are coming at it from a different perspective than me. Sounds like you were all in big towns with lots of talent. I grew up in a town of 1200 in the middle of farm fields. There probably weren't 20,000 people in the whole county. Our school had no real success in bball, maybe 5 or 6 winning seasons in the previous 50 years, usually got curb stomped a game or 2 into the state tournament. It's easy to show up in numbers and scream and cheer when your team has a long history of success, not so easy when you have continual failure, but we still travelled well. When I was in junior high, our high school varsity team had 4 seniors (and a sophomore) that had played together since 2nd grade. Won the first couple of games, then proceeded to go farther than any previous team when they stunned a couple of state powers to advance to the supersectional, where they beat another Cinderella to make the Elite 8 and go down to Assembly Hall in Champaign. First time in school history. There, you could tell that our guys were shook by the bright lights and tv cameras, and they got beat badly by the team that ended up finishing 4th. The next day, our town's fire engines drove down to the county line to meet the team bus coming back from Champaign, and the convoy drove through the cornfields back to town, horns blaring, lights flashing, to have a big assembly at the high school to celebrate a team that had basically finished in 8th place. That was over 50 years ago, and they still talk about that team in that town. I guess that's why teams like Hebron and Cobden are more meaningful to me. Love of the game, even if you don't have a lot of success. It's more my experience growing up to be the little guy continually getting your brains beat out. It's nice to think that one day, just maybe, you will have your day in the sun.
 

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You guys are coming at it from a different perspective than me. Sounds like you were all in big towns with lots of talent. I grew up in a town of 1200 in the middle of farm fields. There probably weren't 20,000 people in the whole county. Our school had no real success in bball, maybe 5 or 6 winning seasons in the previous 50 years, usually got curb stomped a game or 2 into the state tournament. It's easy to show up in numbers and scream and cheer when your team has a long history of success, not so easy when you have continual failure, but we still travelled well. When I was in junior high, our high school varsity team had 4 seniors (and a sophomore) that had played together since 2nd grade. Won the first couple of games, then proceeded to go farther than any previous team when they stunned a couple of state powers to advance to the supersectional, where they beat another Cinderella to make the Elite 8 and go down to Assembly Hall in Champaign. First time in school history. There, you could tell that our guys were shook by the bright lights and tv cameras, and they got beat badly by the team that ended up finishing 4th. The next day, our town's fire engines drove down to the county line to meet the team bus coming back from Champaign, and the convoy drove through the cornfields back to town, horns blaring, lights flashing, to have a big assembly at the high school to celebrate a team that had basically finished in 8th place. That was over 50 years ago, and they still talk about that team in that town. I guess that's why teams like Hebron and Cobden are more meaningful to me. Love of the game, even if you don't have a lot of success. It's more my experience growing up to be the little guy continually getting your brains beat out. It's nice to think that one day, just maybe, you will have your day in the sun.
When I said towns shut down to go to games, they literally did that. Small towns like Duggar, Linton, Brazil, Hagerstown, Milan, Loogootee, etc., would be dark. They did the police escorts, fire engines, parade of cars as well.

What makes Hoosier Hysteria is the blend of small school fan bases and large school fan bases. The small schools played the big schools in the tournament and if they knocked off a big school, their tournament was a success, regardless of what happened the rest of the way. For those that made a longer run, the hype kept building and the other small schools would get behind them.
 

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When I said towns shut down to go to games, they literally did that. Small towns like Duggar, Linton, Brazil, Hagerstown, Milan, Loogootee, etc., would be dark. They did the police escorts, fire engines, parade of cars as well.

What makes Hoosier Hysteria is the blend of small school fan bases and large school fan bases. The small schools played the big schools in the tournament and if they knocked off a big school, their tournament was a success, regardless of what happened the rest of the way. For those that made a longer run, the hype kept building and the other small schools would get behind them.
This dude and his Martin county and there abouts references. One time i visited Jug Rock. Thought it was neat enough. Met an older former IU professor in the park; seemed super nice, little odd, couldn’t quite figure out what he was about. Later realized the rest area bathroom there was a gloryhole meet up spot. Now I am not accusing this of being Irish#1…but I got questions lmao
 

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I’m from Elkhart (Go Blazers), Elkhart has always had decent teams in the past, not a lot of great though. Elkhart has had more talent at the Tolson Center (inner city rec center) than their actual teams. In 1999 they had players finally decide to play and were able to get eligible. Anthony Kyle v Jason Gardner (top ranked recruit that went to Arizona) was a great watch. Anthony Kyle only played his senior year and could have been the best kid on the court.

Elkhart basketball has the numbers but kids think they can get to the league playing rec ball at the rec center. Shawn Kemp used to frequent the center and it’s probably the best basketball in the state, just a bunch of ineligible kids sadly.
 

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This dude and his Martin county and there abouts references. One time i visited Jug Rock. Thought it was neat enough. Met an older former IU professor in the park; seemed super nice, little odd, couldn’t quite figure out what he was about. Later realized the rest area bathroom there was a gloryhole meet up spot. Now I am not accusing this of being Irish#1…but I got questions lmao
Never been there. Mind giving me directions? lol

Grandparents lived in Duggar so I spent a lot of time there when I was a little lad. Saw the excitement first hand.
 

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Never been there. Mind giving me directions? lol

Grandparents lived in Duggar so I spent a lot of time there when I was a little lad. Saw the excitement first hand.
yeah it is north of highway 150 1 mile west of shoals you can see all of it to see from the highway
 

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Let's change directions and talk about some more HS hoops arenas.

The Window Rock HS Fighting Scouts Arena on the Navajo Rez in Fort Defiance, AZ. It seats 6500. School enrollment 550.


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Next up Chinle (AZ) High School. Gym seats 6000+ Both of these gyms were featured in the Netflix documentary Basketball or Nothing

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Here's our place before they dropped the official capacity to 7300 something. There's 9000+ there that night.

BY FAR the loudest place I've ever played in.

Spy the follow through there fellas.

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Gotta post a pic of the Wigwam. Capacity of 8996 and it was a horseshoe with a stage on one end.

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(The Wigwam was the HS gym at Anderson HS)

A pic from the top looking towards the stage:

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Coolest gym in Indiana? I'd go with the Hatchet House in Washington. Capacity 7090.

Home of former Irish hoopers... All American Leo Klier and Mr. Basketball, Luke Zeller.

BTW...Steve Alford's dad Sam played there and had he been able to get a coaching job there, Steve may have also. There's actually a town called Alford just south of Washington off what is now I-69.

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My favorite, Southport Fieldhouse. Very similar to New Castle's with a walkway wrapping around at the top.
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4,200 people to watch Class A basketball. Two of the teams have 280 students in their entire HS while the other two have less than 200. The environment is electric every year. Barr-Reeve, North Daviess and Loogootee all despise each other. Basketball is everything to these communities. If anyone ever has a chance, I'd encourage you to go. It's an awesome experience.

 
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