Sox/Dodgers Blockbuster Trade

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Punto, Gonzalez and Beckett all look pretty upset about this...

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I guess this is Bobby Valentine sending his F-U to his team. Wanna bitch, it better be through me.... Dustin Pedroia, you're next.

Dustin Pedroia can go too. 280, 11 bomb 2nd basemen come a dime a dozen. And he can't shut up.
 

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Punto, Gonzalez and Beckett all look pretty upset about this...

Nick Punto ‏@Shredderpunto
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Who the hell is Punto...this is like a normal day to him.

Feeling is mutual, Beckett
 

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What was the point in trading for Adrian Gonzales to get rid of him a year later? He's the teams best hitter. Makes no sense.

We traded for A Gon to win the world series. That didn't work out, clear the books...open up your options. We can easily be in 4th place in the AL East with or without A Gon.

And Carl Crawford's salary drop...HUGE!!!
 
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Ha. Bobby V is a lame duck. He is upset about the trade because it ends any prayer he had of keeping his job. I agree that it is the management trying to send a message, but Valentine isn't a part of that. If anyone is "next" it is him and (hopefully) Lucchino. Pedey is fine. He is the last guy who is a problem.

You are correct, Bobby V is a lame duck, but I think you and I would agree, trade or not he was/is gone after this year. I think Luchino is too well entrenched and isn't going anywhere. As far at Pedroia goes, he's safe, but ownership can not be happy that only 4 players made it to Johnny Peskys funeral and he wasn't one of them. The presumptive captain of the team not going to a team legends funeral is absolutely inexcusable. The Pesky family specifically planned the funeral for the teams off day and then 4 players go. **** poor. Ortiz, Saltalamacchia, Vincente Padilla and Bucholz were the 4 that attended. This trade makes a number of statements and I for 1 applaud them for doing it. They are only eating 10-12M of the entire 270 still owed. They have just been unshackled.
 

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The one downside of this deal for the Sox - and I am still stunned at what Cherington pulled off - is not being able to see AGon swing on a regular basis. Really is a thing of beauty. That said, Gammons is actually saying that even betting on AGon being healthy is a gamble considering his shoulder problems.

I'm in disbelief about this trade - this is Cherington's equivalent of Theo's 'Nomar' deal.
 

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Good trade both sides. Sox free up money, Dodgers add solid supporting cast. Outside of Kemp and Ethier, the Dodgers have no offense. Now they add Gonzalez, Crawford, and previously Ramirez and now have a formidable lineup. As for Beckett, I hear he is a bad seed but he will be a #3 starter in LA so they don't have to baby him. Plus moving to a contender may motivate him.
 
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The Red Sox had a toxic team and needed to blow it up completely. They did so and sent the top guys across the US to the other league. Can't really be to upset about that. I think they become players in the Justin Upton sweepstakes.
 

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Good trade both sides. Sox free up money, Dodgers add solid supporting cast. Outside of Kemp and Ethier, the Dodgers have no offense. Now they add Gonzalez, Crawford, and previously Ramirez and now have a formidable lineup. As for Beckett, I hear he is a bad seed but he will be a #3 starter in LA so they don't have to baby him. Plus moving to a contender may motivate him.

Interesting to see that most Dodgers fans seem to like this deal. What I'm wondering is whether the excitement is for this year or for the future? Gonzalez is obviously a huge upgrade, and I can see Beckett being successful in the NL for at least short stints. So in the short term this gives them a better chance of making a run this year.

But is there excitement about the long term as well? it's funny b/c Sox fans perspectives are so jaded at this point that I think most of us consider Beckett a case of addition by subtraction, and Crawford is irrelevant. He hasn't played, and won't play for a long time - and when he has played he's been pretty awful. The player that dominated games for the Rays is long gone, from our perspective. But maybe there's even hope that he could turn it around?

I don't know, I guess I'm just looking for the Dodgers fans' perspectives on why this makes sense beyond this year. If you have tons of money to spend wouldn't you want it to be spent on guys who have potential to get better as time goes by--instead of Ramirez, Beckett, Crawford etc? Not trying to be a d*ck, it's an honest question b/c the reactions have been more positive than I would have anticipated.
 

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I disagree about Crawford. He was bad last year because he was playing hurt. He wasn't bad this year. He'll be ready by spring training and I wouldn't be shocked if he has a good couple of seasons starting next year. I thought he got a raw deal from Sox fans and media. On the flip side, as good of a player as I think he is, his contract did not represent any kind of value, even if he played up to his full potential. In theory, you could get 80% of the play he'd give you for 50% of the cost. In practice, moving him allows the Sox a decent chance to retain Ellsbury.
 

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I disagree about Crawford. He was bad last year because he was playing hurt. He wasn't bad this year. He'll be ready by spring training and I wouldn't be shocked if he has a good couple of seasons starting next year. I thought he got a raw deal from Sox fans and media. On the flip side, as good of a player as I think he is, his contract did not represent any kind of value, even if he played up to his full potential. In theory, you could get 80% of the play he'd give you for 50% of the cost. In practice, moving him allows the Sox a decent chance to retain Ellsbury.

Interesting, we watched the same games for almost two years and saw two very different things. I just never saw the dominant player that I had feared on the Rays for so long. His OBP was under .300 while with the Sox, very little power, and was no longer a defensive force. Maybe you're right that he has just been hurt. That definitely played a role, but now that he's on the shelf for 6 or 7 months is there reason to think he's going to come back stronger than before?

I have to admit I have assumed for a while that he just stopped juicing after the big contract. It's unfair, I acknowledge, and it's not based on anything except for the fact that I've watched a different player from the guy that I used to watch against Tampa, and I don't know how else to explain it. Injuries is certainly another plausible explanation - you make a good point.

Regardless, it's a relief to not be spending $21m a year for the foreseeable future for a guy who is either injury prone or washed up, or both.
 

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I think the Dodgers are now in it to win now. I think Boston will regret trading Gonzales and Crawford. Bobby Valentine is gone after this year. They will hire John Farrell after 2013.
 

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Interesting to see that most Dodgers fans seem to like this deal. What I'm wondering is whether the excitement is for this year or for the future? Gonzalez is obviously a huge upgrade, and I can see Beckett being successful in the NL for at least short stints. So in the short term this gives them a better chance of making a run this year.

But is there excitement about the long term as well? it's funny b/c Sox fans perspectives are so jaded at this point that I think most of us consider Beckett a case of addition by subtraction, and Crawford is irrelevant. He hasn't played, and won't play for a long time - and when he has played he's been pretty awful. The player that dominated games for the Rays is long gone, from our perspective. But maybe there's even hope that he could turn it around?

I don't know, I guess I'm just looking for the Dodgers fans' perspectives on why this makes sense beyond this year. If you have tons of money to spend wouldn't you want it to be spent on guys who have potential to get better as time goes by--instead of Ramirez, Beckett, Crawford etc? Not trying to be a d*ck, it's an honest question b/c the reactions have been more positive than I would have anticipated.

Well the Dodgers are set for the long haul, Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw, Billingsley. These guys are the foundation of the Dodgers organization. Anyone they sign or trade for are to support those guys. Crawford got a bad rap in Boston, he will be fine. I figure Beckett was part of the deal but he can eat innings. Gonzalez vs Loney? Huge upgrade.
 

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Well the Dodgers are set for the long haul, Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw, Billingsley. These guys are the foundation of the Dodgers organization. Anyone they sign or trade for are to support those guys. Crawford got a bad rap in Boston, he will be fine. I figure Beckett was part of the deal but he can eat innings. Gonzalez vs Loney? Huge upgrade.

makes sense. i forgot how many relatively young guys are already there - if you're not counting on the new guys to be your core, there's less riding on their long-term profiles.

incidentally, my 6 year old is lefty and is obsessed with baseball and I have told him for the last few years that if he wants to be a good hitter he should just watch A-Gon and swing like he does. needless to say, he was a little bit shocked today when i told him the news - he asked if we could be Dodgers fans as long as they don't play the Red Sox, and I obliged, so there are two more LA fans on the east coast this year...
 

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Well the Dodgers are set for the long haul, Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw, Billingsley. These guys are the foundation of the Dodgers organization. Anyone they sign or trade for are to support those guys. Crawford got a bad rap in Boston, he will be fine. I figure Beckett was part of the deal but he can eat innings. Gonzalez vs Loney? Huge upgrade.

I agree. Gonzalez for loney is huge. Loney had absolutely no power. Especially for a first base man. He is a very good fielder, but his hitting is very inconsistent and he just has never produced. Beckett will be a nice addition to a thin starting lineup.
 
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