Getting back to the original point of this thread:
I think that there are many people (myself included) who are trying to keep our expectations realistic, from season to season. Just because I think that ND is, at best, a 10 win team(and that will require alot of breaks going their way), this season; that's not the same as saying that this team sucks, or that ND can never be elite again. The bottom line is that this team appears to be a good team, that is on it's way up. But elite? Not by a long shot. I wonder if some of the younger folks here really understand what us old(er) codgers mean, when we say elite?
In 1987, LB Ned Bolcar was named a 2nd team All-American. In 1988, he was not even a starter. Wes Pritchett and Michael Stonebreaker had beaten him out as the starters. Both Pritchett and Stonebreaker were named All Americans that year. Bolcar came back to start in 1989, and made All American again.
In 1990, we had Rodney Culver, Jerome Bettis, Ricky Watters, and Tony Brooks in the backfield.
In 1991, our TBs consisted of Rodney Culver, Tony Brooks, Reggie Brooks, and Lee Becton. And Jerome Bettis was the starting FB.
From 1987 to 1993, ND had 37 All Americans.
1987 = 4
1988 = 6
1989 = 7
1990 = 5
1991 = 4
1992 = 6
1993 = 5
We have 2 legitimate "probably will be" All Americans, on this year's squad: Manti Teo and Michael Floyd.
Having said that, we have some good players who probably will not even sniff All American status: Harrison Smith, Tyler Eifert, Robert Blanton, maybe TJ Jones and Cierre Wood. It looks like Aaron Lynch might fit into this category as well.
But being the best player that ND has had, in a long time, at a particular position does not make you elite. It doesn't mean that you are not a good player, but being elite means that you are one of the top 2,3,4,5 guys, in the country, at your position.
8-5 is just not elite, folks. Going 8-5, and finishing the way ND did, could very well mean that you are getting close to elite but it's just not elite.