Sandy Hook Shooting

[NYMIKE6]

I don't think anyone is saying there will be a perfect world if guns weren't allowed... Chances are a lot of crazy people could still get their hands on guns. But if gun laws had even the slightest impact on preventing people from having guns... Not sure how you can argue against that one. If the murderer's mother did not have guns in her possession, isnt there a likely chance that the kid wouldn't have the access to those guns and bring them to the school? If guns laws had even the smallest chance of preventing the massacre from yesterday, would you not implement those laws?

Look. I'm a 20 year college student. Many of you are grown men. It is not my place to tell anyone what's right or wrong, nor do I know what's right and wrong. But I do know that if my 9 year old little sister was one of those who lost their lives, I'm not sure how I would get through the rest of my life. There is no reason to have military style weapons accessible to citizens IMO. I think there is a strong possibility that with guns laws the massacre would not have occurred yesterday.

Point taken, but i don't think you're asking the right question. Regardless of how many or what type guns the mother owned she should have been a responsible parent and had the guns locked up in a gun safe. Not only to prevent something like this, but so no one could steal them. I grew up around guns and was taught at a early age to respect them. Like i said in a previous post, it is not the gun that is the issue. It is our society, and lack of responsibility people want to take anymore.
It's so much easier in a moment of tragedy to point blame at every thing possible except the real issue. It is just peoples mentality now. Example, when i grew up if you had a problem with someone and it came to a physical altercation you shot each other a square one. Meaning both of you would fight, either you won or lost or it was a draw and thats it.... Nobodies posse would jump you, no one would get stabbed, no one would get shot... Times have changed drastically..

 

[irishff1014]

I don't think anyone is saying there will be a perfect world if guns weren't allowed... Chances are a lot of crazy people could still get their hands on guns. But if gun laws had even the slightest impact on preventing people from having guns... Not sure how you can argue against that one. If the murderer's mother did not have guns in her possession, isnt there a likely chance that the kid wouldn't have the access to those guns and bring them to the school? If guns laws had even the smallest chance of preventing the massacre from yesterday, would you not implement those laws?

Look. I'm a 20 year college student. Many of you are grown men. It is not my place to tell anyone what's right or wrong, nor do I know what's right and wrong. But I do know that if my 9 year old little sister was one of those who lost their lives, I'm not sure how I would get through the rest of my life. There is no reason to have military style weapons accessible to citizens IMO. I think there is a strong possibility that with guns laws the massacre would not have occurred yesterday.

People will still get guns. If you want a gun bad enough you will do whatever you have to in order to get that gun.

Should we quit selling alcohol for all the Dui deaths, overodses.

What about the domestic problems that start due to the consumption of alcohol the result in assults, stabbings,gun volience?

 

[NYMIKE6]

People will still get guns. If you want a gun bad enough you will do whatever you have to in order to get that gun.

Should we quit selling alcohol for all the Dui deaths, overodses.

What about the domestic problems that start due to the consumption of alcohol the result in assults, stabbings,gun volience?

US
300 some million people
200 million people with guns legal or illegal
30 some thousand die each year from guns, crazy part is over 17,000 are suicides... So less then half are now Justifiable Homicide, Homicide or by accident. Are gun issues askew because of Media??? Absolutely!!!!

It is more then likely we know 10 more people that die from cancer then a act of violence committed with a gun... Thats real life... What happened at that school to those poor babies is not normal and doesn't happen often...

Forgot to mention
1/2 million died each year from Medical Mistakes
1/2 million die each year from Cancer
50,000 die each year from Automobile accidents

 

[jimmymac]

US
300 some million people
200 million people with guns legal or illegal
30 some thousand die each year from guns, crazy part is over 17,000 are suicides... So less then half are now Justifiable Homicide, Homicide or by accident. Are gun issues askew because of Media??? Absolutely!!!!

It is more then likely we know 10 more people that die from cancer then a act of violence committed with a gun... Thats real life... What happened at that school to those poor babies is not normal and doesn't happen often...

Forgot to mention
1/2 million died each year from Medical Mistakes
1/2 million die each year from Cancer
50,000 die each year from Automobile accidents

So, according to your statistics, roughly 13,000 people die from homicide from guns anually.

Of course, there are other ways people die. However the other ways that you listed in particular don't have measures that can help limit the number of people that die. If someone found the cure for cancer you don't think we would take advantage of it to limit cancer related deaths? You don't think doctors try to limit medical related mistakes as much possible? If there was a way to further prevent medical mistakes from happening, wouldn't you take it? When you get behind a wheel of a car, you are assuming the potential risks the present themselves with driving. You know the dangers that could occur, regardless of fault. Driving a car has no comparison to the issue at hand.

If guns laws could prevent even 1000 of the 13000 deaths that occur annually, wouldn't you take that? Heck, if the lives of 20 children could have been prevented if gun laws were in place yesterday, wouldn't you take those laws? I would sure hope so.

 

[NYMIKE6]

So, according to your statistics, roughly 13,000 people die from homicide from guns anually.

Of course, there are other ways people die. However the other ways that you listed in particular don't have measures that can help limit the number of people that die. If someone found the cure for cancer you don't think we would take advantage of it to limit cancer related deaths? You don't think doctors try to limit medical related mistakes as much possible? If there was a way to further prevent medical mistakes from happening, wouldn't you take it? When you get behind a wheel of a car, you are assuming the potential risks the present themselves with driving. You know the dangers that could occur, regardless of fault. Driving a car has no comparison to the issue at hand.

If guns laws could prevent even 1000 of the 13000 deaths that occur annually, wouldn't you take that? Heck, if the lives of 20 children could have been prevented if gun laws were in place yesterday, wouldn't you take those laws? I would sure hope so.

13,000 die annually from of combination of Justifiable Homicide, Homicide and Accidental...

Exactly my point, there is a lot of "what ifs" or "would've, could've"... This is not a cut and dry subject. Just like you are saying you know the risks when behind the wheel, it's two fold you should understand the risks when purchasing a gun.
The point i was making with the higher death rates is do you really think when someone dies of a Medical Mistake, Cancer or Automobile accident it gets as much publicity as someone that dies from a gun? I don't think so... Even when it's an accidental death by a gun people jump and scream "take them all away"... which is just pathetic!!!! how about "BE MORE COMPETENT"!!!!!! or "ACT LIKE AN ADULT, NOT A DUMBASS"

 

[irishff1014]

So, according to your statistics, roughly 13,000 people die from homicide from guns anually.

Of course, there are other ways people die. However the other ways that you listed in particular don't have measures that can help limit the number of people that die. If someone found the cure for cancer you don't think we would take advantage of it to limit cancer related deaths? You don't think doctors try to limit medical related mistakes as much possible? If there was a way to further prevent medical mistakes from happening, wouldn't you take it? When you get behind a wheel of a car, you are assuming the potential risks the present themselves with driving. You know the dangers that could occur, regardless of fault. Driving a car has no comparison to the issue at hand.

If guns laws could prevent even 1000 of the 13000 deaths that occur annually, wouldn't you take that? Heck, if the lives of 20 children could have been prevented if gun laws were in place yesterday, wouldn't you take those laws? I would sure hope so.

The guns were bought legally nothing can be done about that other then making that people lock them up.

But i have one thing that i have thought of not sure how it would go about though.

In MD you have to show your drivers liceense to but a fire arem. They put codes or symbols on the license for some medical conditions, organ donors, and other things i would if they could do something like this that they have athing on the license that shows gun stores that this person has meantal condition and shouldn't be sold a fire arm. I know this would have to have alot of political pull but it could be a star. Anything to help keep guns away from them is good but you can't take them from everyone for doing the right thing with their fire arms.

 

[NYMIKE6]

The guns were bought legally nothing can be done about that other then making that people lock them up.

But i have one thing that i have thought of not sure how it would go about though.

In MD you have to show your drivers liceense to but a fire arem. They put codes or symbols on the license for some medical conditions, organ donors, and other things i would if they could do something like this that they have athing on the license that shows gun stores that this person has meantal condition and shouldn't be sold a fire arm. I know this would have to have alot of political pull but it could be a star. Anything to help keep guns away from them is good but you can't take them from everyone for doing the right thing with their fire arms.

Great idea... I think no matter what type of firearm you purchase it should be the same country wide process. Back ground check through a national data base. Simple questionnaire that one would take when getting your carrying permit for work.
You can't take away our guns, but you can try to limit how many wack jobs have them...

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

So, according to your statistics, roughly 13,000 people die from homicide from guns anually.

Of course, there are other ways people die. However the other ways that you listed in particular don't have measures that can help limit the number of people that die. If someone found the cure for cancer you don't think we would take advantage of it to limit cancer related deaths? You don't think doctors try to limit medical related mistakes as much possible? If there was a way to further prevent medical mistakes from happening, wouldn't you take it? When you get behind a wheel of a car, you are assuming the potential risks the present themselves with driving. You know the dangers that could occur, regardless of fault. Driving a car has no comparison to the issue at hand.

If guns laws could prevent even 1000 of the 13000 deaths that occur annually, wouldn't you take that? Heck, if the lives of 20 children could have been prevented if gun laws were in place yesterday, wouldn't you take those laws? I would sure hope so.

Nope as much as I hate what happened yesterday
We have common sense gun control laws. Again if this idiot just killed himself no one would care.
We care because this idiot decided he wanted to go out in a big way and be remembered.
The second amendment is the teeth of all the other amendments.
Justice Scalia said it best when he stated it is a dooms day provision where all other rights have failed.

 

[mgriff]

 

[NYMIKE6]

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Can someone imbed please? I'm a special kind of stupid...

 

[mgriff]

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Can someone imbed please? I'm a special kind of stupid...

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Great idea... I think no matter what type of firearm you purchase it should be the same country wide process. Back ground check through a national data base. Simple questionnaire that one would take when getting your carrying permit for work.
You can't take away our guns, but you can try to limit how many wack jobs have them...

Mike most states have a nation wide check.
In PA its called pics which is run by the state police and uses the FBI data base.

 

[jimmymac]

Nope as much as I hate what happened yesterday
We have common sense gun control laws. Again if this idiot just killed himself no one would care.
We care because this idiot decided he wanted to go out in a big way and be remembered.
The second amendment is the teeth of all the other amendments.
Justice Scalia said it best when he stated it is a dooms day provision where all other rights have failed.

Common sense gun control laws? Really?

Pretty much anyone can get a gun. Most times background checks aren't required whatsoever. That means a convicted felon can walk into a gun store and buy a gun. Not sure how thats common sense.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Mike most states have a nation wide check.
In PA its called pics which is run by the state police and uses the FBI data base.

Yes, thats understood, but that is criminal i believe. I think there should be more to it. Maybe medical? but then people would bitch about privacy. You just can't win...

 

[jimmymac]

Mike most states have a nation wide check.
In PA its called pics which is run by the state police and uses the FBI data base.

From what I have read in most states this is not the case. But either way I think this type of system should be the absolute minimum. Anything less is unacceptable IMO

Edit: To be fully honest, I do not have extended knowledge in the area. I don't offer my opinions to attack and I hope no one feels personally attacked by my opinions. Just offering my concerns in a healthy discussion to a system that I dont think is working.

 

[mgriff]

Our media glorifies these type of people. If we just didn't plaster it everywhere most of these people would at least off themselves in their basements. While that's sad, there a sort of immortality in committing such a heinous act before you go. You'll be remembered forever, and while it's not for what many would deem the right reasons, many want to matter. This sort of statement certainly gives them that attention.

If anyone thinks that the 26 families care about the gun debate, or the God debate at this point, you're fooling yourselves.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Common sense gun control laws? Really?

Pretty much anyone can get a gun. Most times background checks aren't required whatsoever. That means a convicted felon can walk into a gun store and buy a gun. Not sure how thats common sense.

What type of gun(s) are you talking about? Handguns you just can't walk in without the background check. Rifles and shotguns you still need some type of Identification. That is for registration purposes.

 

[irishff1014]

Hey guys can you please move all these comment to the new thread on this please.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Common sense gun control laws? Really?

Pretty much anyone can get a gun. Most times background checks aren't required whatsoever. That means a convicted felon can walk into a gun store and buy a gun. Not sure how thats common sense.

Jimmy have you ever purchased a gun?
In MA you need to get the chief of police in your town to approve you first. NY is the same way.
PA runs you through PICS. The feds have the same data base. You get flagged through pics you don't get approved and have to wait while it's sorted out.
Same process to get a LTCF.
A felon won't get approved.
If you have a warrant you will not be approved.
If you have been involuntarily committed you won't be approved.
If you own guns and have a PFA put out against you the police will come secure your guns.
If you're on probation for a misdemeanor and own guns the parole office will secure them.
There is literally 100's offenses in the federal code that will automatically DQ you from firearms ownership. And then states can make those codes even harsher.

Case in point intimidation is a DQ offense.
In MA instead of charging someone with terroristic threats they are charged with intimidation and threatening to commit a crime. Automatically DQ'ed for life.
Basically I say I'm gonna kick your *** and you press charges I will not be approved for a gun in any state in this country if I'm charged in MA.
And that doesn't include the catch all in the code written as a person of good moral fiber.
If the police just don't like you or you have a history of misdemeanor non DQ offenses you can still be shot down.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Hey guys can you please move all these comment to the new thread on this please.

Agreed. This has gone way off topic. Stick to the horrible tragedy that has just happened and the people effected by it.

Start a new gun control thread or continue the conversation in the Bob Costas thread.

 

[MPClinton22]

This is absolutely disgusting. How can there be anyone who actually believes this?

Westboro Baptist Church Says It Will Picket Vigil For Connecticut School Shooting Victims

 

[PraetorianND]

I thought President Obama's speech was very moving. Him listing the victims brought tears to my eyes. So many little kids.... Awful.

 

[4irishnation]

I thought President Obama's speech was very moving. Him listing the victims brought tears to my eyes. So many little kids.... Awful.

Please move this to the political thread. Thank you

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Please move this to the political thread. Thank you

Why?

 

[IrishAlum1997]

All,

Reported shooting at a movie theatre in San Antonio in the last hour......details still breaking. Pray for those affected......

 

[gkIrish]

I have never and will never read a word in this thread because thinking about it makes me too upset but I wanted to beg the Mods to change the title of this thread to something more specific. IDK exactly what's being discussed in here (politics or the shooting itself?) but every time I go to the front page and see this near the top I freak out and think another shooting happened.

So yeah, please change title... add a SHES or something?

 

[military_irish]

All,

Reported shooting at a movie theatre in San Antonio in the last hour......details still breaking. Pray for those affected......

Doesn't look to be "serious', or shall I say as serious as a mass shooting. Possibly just an isolated incident that took place near a theater.

 

[choo choo]

I saw the headline on CNN and I can't bring myself to read it. Heartbreaking and sickening. Prayers for all affected.

me too...i wanna see the reports but i just cant watch it...especially with my son in the room...what is wrong with people???? why do these nuts always wanna kill the innocent??? i just dont understand how someone could do this to children...my heart breaks when i think of how scared they were before this deranged idiot killed them just so he could get some attention...i just dont get it

 

[Irish#1]

This is sick in so many ways. I have 8 grandchildrenm. Five of them are age 5 years and younger. I cannot imagine the gutch wrenching feelings these parents are experiencing right now. How anyone can do this to these innocent children is impossible to grasp. I also feel very bad for the shooters family. The questions and heartbreak they are suffering is also hard to imagine.

I'm going to say the following and not respond to any posts, because this debate could go on and on.

I used to hunt regularly. I am not a member on the NRA, but have always supported the right to bear arms. However, I think the time has come for tougher gun legislation in some way shape or form. When the admendment was first enacted, this country was still fighting for its independance and the law made sense. With the worlds greatest militay, we don't have that threat anymore so the law has become somewhat antiquated. I know that guns don't kill people, but they do give the killer a much easier way to complete their mission. A knife or some other type of weapon would not have produced this large of a senseless killing. Sandy Hook, Columbine, the Denver Movie theater shooting, Virginia Tech, these are becoming much to frequent.

The background checks and laws in force today are not stopping this. People can go to gun shows and buy guns with little effort. If you believe guns aren't purchased illegally at these shows, you are sadly mistaken. A major change has to come, in one way, shape or form. I don't have the answer, but this is a country with a lot of intelligent people and we should be able to figure this out.

Please continue to pray for everyone.

 

[gkIrish]

Thanks to whoever changed the title