No, 1/5 of their army, some of whom are prisoners, some are foreigners. That doesn't include anyone from Air Force or Navy. If this turned into Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia, they would draft more men to replace their comrades. There wouldn't be anything close to collapse you mentioned.
^^^ desperately splitting hairs here. See: my post before this one.
They have already had military conscription in Russia due to the war, they are bleeding men
I’m glad you’re so worried about the Ukrainian people. If they want to fight and die for their country and pay for their sovereignty with their blood, then we should provide our vast resources in order to assist them. This ain’t hard.
No, Ukraine will run out of men soon.
“Soon” is gross hyperbole. And the middle of the road stuff as you call it is laughable and typical of our dim-witted electorate’s all or nothing mindset.
Hell yes. Let's fucking go.
Lmao. The dim-witted electorate are the people who think that us supporting Ukraine at the current levels will help them defeat the Russians. A literal pipe dream.
I stand with Ukraine just means I don’t stand with Russia and North Korea. But hey if that’s who you want to throw your hat in the ring with who am I to stop you. At this point I’m convinced Trump could get you on board with supporting ISIS.
Again, I can see strong arguments for pursuing peace aggressively and maybe not quite as strong arguments for escalating the war. I see ZERO good arguments for continuing at the current level. Both armies will lose men, but Ukraine would definitely run out of soldiers first.
I don’t necessarily disagree with this, but why can’t anyone answer this? The general consensus on this board is that Russia is already depleted and soon won’t be able to continue. I’d like to know when everyone thinks it will be?
If that trend continues, 1 of 2 things will occur:
It also means that I support gutting Russia like a fish.
Looking back on your earlier posts in this thread, you were talking about Ukraine running out of ammunition 2-3 years ago. Maybe you shouldn’t opine on military capabilities.
The closest thing that I can recall to that was I made some comment about the Biden slow walking ammunition because of inventory concerns on our end as well as concern about wanting to not escalate the war.
The sanctions worked for a little while but don’t seem to have much impact now. The NATO allies continue to buy their oil from Russia. There’s a limitation to how far they are willing to go.
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There shouldn't be.
Don’t hurt yourself taking down that strawman argument. It shouldn’t cost billions? Says who? You? We spend 6-7 trillion a year as a country. We’ve spent, depending on your source 100-300 billion in Ukraine over 3 years.
I agree, but there is a limit which is the point AB2CMiller is trying to make. Do you see any of the Allies increasing financial pressure or increasing the level of support they are providing? We aren’t either so we aren’t gaining anything. Russia getting support from NK just means they can continue on.
I’m done making the point and will refrain from doing so going forward.
Yes to the latter.
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You might want to go back and read this thread from the beginning. He isn’t throwing his hat in with Russia and doesn’t support them one bit.
They had this Trillion+ dollar slush fund of money they could have used at any point in time. I’m sure they’ll offer like 5 billion over 3 years lol. They treat the Russian invasion of Ukraine like some existential crisis that we need to reorient our entire economies and militaries to counter but they sure as fuck don’t act like itYes to the latter.
Not only that they are increasing money to defend EU nations as well.
Europe Tries to Boost Military Spending as America Realigns
The European Commission’s president unveiled a sweeping plan to help Ukraine and boost defense spending, but it won’t be easy.www.nytimes.com
EU outlines €800 billion in defence funding options after Trump pulls Ukraine military aid | Euractiv
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday presented a five-point 'REARM Europe' plan for boosting defence spending, only hours after US President Donald Trump reportedly froze military aid to Ukraine.
Norway is considering using their sovereign wealth fund to increase aid. There are both individual and organizational considerations in increasing aid.
This is good, but it’s probably due to Trump holding up aid so it may be a wash. It should have happened a long time ago. If they had done this earlier maybe Russia would have been pushed back already.Yes to the latter.
Not only that they are increasing money to defend EU nations as well.
Europe Tries to Boost Military Spending as America Realigns
The European Commission’s president unveiled a sweeping plan to help Ukraine and boost defense spending, but it won’t be easy.EU outlines €800 billion in defence funding options after Trump pulls Ukraine military aid | Euractiv
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday presented a five-point 'REARM Europe' plan for boosting defence spending, only hours after US President Donald Trump reportedly froze military aid to Ukraine.
Norway is considering using their sovereign wealth fund to increase aid. There are both individual and organizational considerations in increasing aid.
Glad they are increasing it and using it. I answered the question. Stop being a dunce and trying to disagree with the fact that I am correct.
They already did that. This will be an increase.
I'd say what is abysmal is Russia invading to begin with and us cutting aid off at all.