Rioting in St Louis

[wizards8507]

I paraphrased but I agree. Racism and abusive police, the two are different imo. It just so happens that this abuse of powers happens to the black community much, much more than any other communities.

I don't mean to change the subject but isn't the very notion of a "black community" something we should be trying to get away from? Terms and concepts like black community, Latino community, and gay community feel like verbal barriers that shackle our dialogue into predetermined groups.

 

[Irish#1]

Not much has changed. Racism isn't over. The same problems are still here.

Are you serious? How old are you? Racism still exists (both ways by the way), but it's much better than it was in the 60's. I remember how blacks were treated back then. To make a statement like that simply shows you are narrow minded.

 

[GATTACA!]

I understand what you are saying but the officer had no evidence of an attack that justifed using lethal power. He didn't CHOOSE to have a taser which I think should be mandatory. If he would have tasered Brown, this is a non-issue.

If you kill a kid, you should have to at least prove that there was an attack that was "life threatening".

So in the police guide you think it should have officers allow themselves to get beaten up before taking any action so there can be proof?

 

[adsnorri]

I don't mean to change the subject but isn't the very notion of a "black community" something we should be trying to get away from? Terms and concepts like black community, Latino community, and gay community feel like verbal barriers that shackle our dialogue into predetermined groups.

You are taking the term out of context. We are talking about a "race" of people... Not a community in Ferguson my man.

 

[calvegas04]

It's the prosecutor that rigged it. It was out of the hands of the grand jury. The prosecutor didn't want there to be any chance it went to court.

lol

 

[adsnorri]

Are you serious? How old are you? Racism still exists (both ways by the way), but it's much better than it was in the 60's. I remember how blacks were treated back then. To make a statement like that simply shows you are narrow minded.

It is well hidden now...not gone.

 

[Irish#1]

It's the prosecutor that rigged it. It was out of the hands of the grand jury. The prosecutor didn't want there to be any chance it went to court.

I'll say a prayer for you my friend, because people who think like you prevent change from happening.

 

[wizards8507]

You are taking the term out of context. We are talking about a "race" of people... Not a community in Ferguson my man.

Seriously? Obama, last night:

The fact is, in too many parts of this country, a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color.

But what is also true is that there are still problems and communities of color aren't just making these problems up.

 

[autry_denson]

So you haven't ever worked for an actual company. Got it. I imagine you spend your day on social media "community organizing" or some such thing.

i'm starting to think that this board just has a lot of assholes. or people that act like assholes online, at least.

the point that he made was actually exactly right, it's research done by some of the best economists in the world showing that black-sounding names receive fewer callbacks than generic names - or that employers prefer white applicants with criminal records to black applicants with similar qualifications and without criminal records, another finding from experimental audit research.

and if this guy happened to be a community organizer, which I'm sure he's not but which you accuse him of, than that would be a pretty noble job. in a lot of people's minds it is not an insult to be accused of having a job where one works very hard for low pay to try to help people.

 

[Irish Insanity]

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[adsnorri]

So in the police guide you think it should have officers allow themselves to get beaten up before taking any action so there can be proof?

Picture shows he was not beaten up. No, they should meet force with force. Someone is attacking you, taze them or shoot them. If it is a quick scuffle/push that is not grounds to unleash 12 rounds at a kid. Not shoot a kid that had a quick scuffle with you then left the situation only to be shot at more while leaving.

Have you read the testimony? Might change your stance a little.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I understand what you are saying but the officer had no evidence of an attack that justifed using lethal power. He didn't CHOOSE to have a taser which I think should be mandatory. If he would have tasered Brown, this is a non-issue.

If you kill a kid, you should have to at least prove that there was an attack that was "life threatening".

Didn't the autopsy report that was leaked show that Brown had powder burns on his thumb? Which can only be achieved by close proximity to a shot. Which would be consistent with the officer's testimony that Brown reached into the cruiser and grabbed for his gun.
Pdf : PDF: Autopsy report for Michael Brown : News
Granted it's a leaked report and not released, but if true then I would consider reaching for a cop's gun to be considered potentially lethal.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Black community and gay community and everything exist because of racism by the people in power and from housing discrimination.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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I'm not trolling I am defending my position, and people don't like my position.

 

[adsnorri]

Wizards: Do you think there is a problem in the nation with racism?

Do you think there is a problem with police officers abusing their power?

Just trying to get your perspective.

 

[wizards8507]

the point that he made was actually exactly right, it's research done by some of the best economists in the world showing that black-sounding names receive fewer callbacks than generic names - or that employers prefer white applicants with criminal records to black applicants with similar qualifications and without criminal records, another finding from experimental audit research.

Black SOUNDING names, are you serious? What does that mean? Michael Brown? Barack Hussein Obama (President of the United States)? Eric Holder (Attorney General of the Untied States)?

and if this guy happened to be a community organizer, which I'm sure he's not but which you accuse him of, than that would be a pretty noble job. in a lot of people's minds it is not an insult to be accused of having a job where one works very hard for low pay to try to help people.

I was speaking to experience, not quality or "nobility" of work. I don't know anything about teaching, so I don't act like an expert when talking about schools. I don't know anything about fitness, so I wouldn't tell you what to do at the gym. Likewise, if you don't work in business, don't preach about what goes on in business.

 

[adsnorri]

Didn't the autopsy report that was leaked show that Brown had powder burns on his thumb? Which can only be achieved by close proximity to a shot. Which would be consistent with the officer's testimony that Brown reached into the cruiser and grabbed for his gun.
Pdf : PDF: Autopsy report for Michael Brown : News
Granted it's a leaked report and not released, but if true then I would consider reaching for a cop's gun to be considered potentially lethal.

Here is a part of the testimony that says why Wilson decided to shoot Brown. Wilson never states that Brown went for his gun. He says that Brown punched him very strongly twice. However, if you look at the picture, it doesn't look to be so from any wounds shown. Here it is:
Officer Wilson told the grand jury that Brown punched him in the face when the officer drove back to him.
Wilson said he tried to get out of his cruiser but Brown slammed the door shut twice and hit him with his fist.
"I felt that another of those punches in my face could knock me out or worse ... I've already taken two to the face and I didn't think I would, the third one could be fatal if he hit me right," Wilson said.

 

[GATTACA!]

Black community and gay community and everything exist because of racism by the people in power and from housing discrimination.

The gay community exists because of racism and housing discrimination?

 

[wizards8507]

Wizards: Do you think there is a problem in the nation with racism?

I know that there are racist individuals. I do not believe that there is rampant institutional racism designed to keep minorities "down." For example, a racist manager might deny employment to a black candidate, but I don't believe there are racist companies that, by their very nature, discriminate against minorities as some kind of unwritten policy.

Do you think there is a problem with police officers abusing their power?

Absolutely.

 

[adsnorri]

I know that there are racist individuals. I do not believe that there is rampant institutional racism designed to keep minorities "down." For example, a racist manager might deny employment to a black candidate, but I don't believe there are racist companies that, by their very nature, discriminate against minorities as some kind of unwritten policy.


Absolutely.

Ok, I understand your viewpoint. You are talking from business that you have been involved in.

I am asking more about the country as a whole, not just in business. For example, what do you think about the difference in amount of minorities imprisoned as opposed to white people? For the record....I am white. Haha

 

[GATTACA!]

Black SOUNDING names, are you serious? What does that mean? Michael Brown? Barack Hussein Obama (President of the United States)? Eric Holder (Attorney General of the Untied States)?

It means Shaniqua, Kellisha, Uniquee, and Da'Quonde. I havent seen the study he is refering to but im going to go out on a limb and say that if they are using real world schenarios and this wasnt just a trial that individuals with those names most likely are not as well qualified.

And all of this is easily resolved instead of naming your kid La'Quaysha (which is not cultural) name them Ashley. Tadahh there goes your bias.

 

[ulukinatme]

This is a lie. I work with many employers in recruiting. Simply false in my neck of the woods.

I don't know, I concur with Wizards. The last two corporate jobs I've held have shown a push for a more diverse workforce. You see it in universities with selective admissions as well. The armed forces is no different. Before my wife and I married, she was seriously considering the Navy. She's something like less than 1/16th Native American, but the recruiters were pushing her to list Native American on her resume despite the fact she doesn't consider herself Native American. Does it make sense? Not really, but they must have their reasons to make requests like that.

 

[adsnorri]

It means Shaniqua, Kellisha, Uniquee, and Da'Quonde. I havent seen the study he is refering to but im going to go out on a limb and say that if they are using real world schenarios and this wasnt just a trial that individuals with those names most likely are not as well qualified.

And all of this is easily resolved instead of naming your kid La'Quaysha (which is not cultural) name them Ashley. Tadahh there goes your bias.

WOW! I can not believe you just said this.... I will bow out of this convo. Change names to conform to traditional names in order to "hide" a "black" sounding name.... You think that is the problem...people don't get hired because they have bad names?

The color of their skin would have the same bearing in the interview as the name does in the application process. My man, I hope you rethink this thought a little. You surely are better than that.

 

[wizards8507]

I am asking more about the country as a whole, not just in business. For example, what do you think about the difference in amount of minorities imprisoned as opposed to white people? For the record....I am white. Haha

I don't believe they're imprisoned at a higher rate because they're minorities. Incarceration is higher in poor, urban areas and poor, urban areas also have higher minority concentrations. Poor white people are generally in more rural settings and that leads to fewer police encounters. A white man selling meth from a trailer in rural Kentucky is less likely to run into the cops than a black man selling crack on a street corner in Chicago.

(Separately, but related: I think drug laws are a joke. I'd support the immediate legalization of ALL drugs up to and including LSD and heroin.)

 

[Irish Insanity]

The gay community exists because of racism and housing discrimination?

Yes. To many minority same sex people and nowhere to live. They all end up in one house and, well, ya know, the same bed. Boom. Racism and housing descrimination making people gay.

 

[adsnorri]

Have a great Thanksgiving my peeps. I hope you get hugged by all of your loved ones this holiday.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Here is a part of the testimony that says why Wilson decided to shoot Brown. Wilson never states that Brown went for his gun. He says that Brown punched him very strongly twice. However, if you look at the picture, it doesn't look to be so from any wounds shown. Here it is:
Officer Wilson told the grand jury that Brown punched him in the face when the officer drove back to him.
Wilson said he tried to get out of his cruiser but Brown slammed the door shut twice and hit him with his fist.
"I felt that another of those punches in my face could knock me out or worse ... I've already taken two to the face and I didn't think I would, the third one could be fatal if he hit me right," Wilson said.

Wilson then goes on to say that 2 shots were fired during a scuffle at the vehicle.
Darren Wilson's grand jury testimony released - CNN.com
l understand Wilson isn't a small dude, but wasn't Brown like 6'6" and 300 lbs? While 2 or 3 punches aren't generally considered to be fatal unless the guy hit like Tyson it's not so inconceivable to me that 2 or 3 punches from a guy that size in a heated situation could scare the shit out of someone.

 

[Irish Insanity]

^mixed gender and race Grand Jury

 

[GATTACA!]

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WOW! I can not believe you just said this.... I will bow out of this convo. Change names to conform to traditional names in order to "hide" a "black" sounding name.... You think that is the problem...people don't get hired because they have bad names?

The color of their skin would have the same bearing in the interview as the name does in the application process. My man, I hope you rethink this thought a little. You surely are better than that.

Im not talking about cultural names im talking about names that are given simply to try and differentiate your child, like the example in freakonomics where people named their children 17 different forms of Unique. The study i believe he was talking about was simply based on resumes and who gets called back, that would imply before the employer is able to see the color of your skin.

I would give the same exact advice to anyone naming a child. It drives me fucking nuts when i hear about celebrities naming their kids Apple Range Rover Depp. People think they are setting their children apart from others with absurd names, they are just not in the way they intend to.

 

[kmoose]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Darren Wilson is free, the cop who killed Eric Garner over cigarettes is free, 12yr old Tamir Rice's murderer is free <a href="http://t.co/GGpAuhrB9u">pic.twitter.com/GGpAuhrB9u</a></p>— ΔΔMER (@NoItsAamer) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoItsAamer/status/537086617149005824">November 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So is the black cop who murdered Dillon Taylor.