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Actually that's wrong. They've got radio call recordings and he did know they were looking for him. They've played them in the media.

Oh so then the cops just have told two different stories and changed their story based on what the latest rumor is. Just like innocent people!
 
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The cops have said both that he knew about it and that he didn't. The story has changed. There are conflicting reports from the Ferguson police. Also the distance that Brown was from Wilson's car has been misreported.
 

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The cops have said both that he knew about it and that he didn't. The story has changed. There are conflicting reports from the Ferguson police. Also the distance that Brown was from Wilson's car has been misreported.

I don't know how someone so passionate about a subject could know so little about it.
 

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The actual police tapes of the radio transmissions were released.

The NY Times, MSNBC, and the rest of the world carried the story and the timeline. The media documented that the activity took place in 91 seconds.

The grand jury had benefit of those recordings as did Attorney General Holder, the FBI, etc.
 

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Two with Black Panther connections charged in St. Louis in federal firearms case : News

11/21/14 Update 8:05 pm


Two men have been indicted on weapons charges in federal court here for allegedly making straw purchases of two handguns at the Cabela’s sporting goods store in Hazelwood.

A police source says both men are affiliated with the New Black Panther Party and were taken into custody this morning.

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The police source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said their arrests were part of ongoing investigation that has spanned several months.

Local and federal authorities executed search warrants at two residences, one in the 2500 block of Hampton in the city and the other in the 1500 block of Reale Avenue in north St. Louis County, the source said. The raids yielded information that both men had planned to obtain illegal weapons to do harm to law enforcement and the public.



N.B. Although "The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group [5][6][7]" NO ONE has smeared the Brown family for any connection to such hate groups. All the hate groups trying to take advantage of this tragedy are despicable regardless of their hatred of choice.

New Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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N.B. Although "The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group [5][6][7]" NO ONE has smeared the Brown family for any connection to such hate groups. All the hate groups trying to take advantage of this tragedy are despicable regardless of their hatred of choice.

New Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's a lot of assholes, all over the political spectrum, trying to make hay out of this for their own reasons, some violently.
There were reportedly members of some Communist group out of Chicago handing out flyers outside a high school yesterday encouraging kids to "cause a disturbance." Same (mostly white) group whose members were photographed handing out Molotov cocktails in the protest crowds back in August.
It's sickening. And it's what's giving the very legitimate protesters a bad name in all this (thanks in part to TV media who's mostly there to show a fight). No matter what happened between Brown and Wilson, this whole episode has brought to the surface a lot of serious issues that need to be addressed. Hopefully whatever violence may happen after the verdict doesn't overshadow those.
 

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FBI Arrest Two Would-Be Ferguson Bomb Suspects
Daniel Wallis Reuters

11/22/14 1:28 am

(Reuters) - Two men suspected of buying explosives they planned to detonate during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, once a grand jury decides the Michael Brown case, were arrested on Friday and charged with federal firearms offenses, a law enforcement official told Reuters.

Word of the arrests, reported by a number of media outlets Friday, came ahead of the grand jury's widely anticipated decision on whether the white police officer who fatally shot Brown, an unarmed black teenager, should be indicted on criminal charges.

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Against this backdrop of heightened tensions, according to a law enforcement source, two men described as reputed members of a militant group called the New Black Panther Party, were arrested in the St. Louis area in an FBI sting operation.

As initially reported by CBS News, the men were suspected of acquiring explosives for pipe bombs that they planned to set off during protests in Ferguson, according to the official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the case.

The official said the two men are the same pair named in a newly unsealed federal indictment returned on Nov. 19 charging Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis with purchasing two pistols from a firearms dealer under false pretenses.

Both men were arraigned on Friday in federal court, the law enforcement source said.

The FBI and other federal agencies were reported to have stepped up their presence in the St. Louis area in recent days in anticipation of renewed protests after the grand jury's decision in the Brown case is made known.

An FBI official in St. Louis declined to comment except to say that the two men named in the indictment had been arrested. Officials from the U.S. Attorney's Office for eastern Missouri were not immediately available for comment.
 
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I don't know how someone so passionate about a subject could know so little about it.

I am not trying to interject here but after reading many of the last few pages it seems to me that the scope that people are viewing this situation through is what is forming the seemingly large disagreement here. It seems some are giving much more weight to the legitimate issue of culture wide and institutional racism which does exist on both sides and the associated political and social agitators, while others are focusing more on the legitimate minutae of the situation and that both are minimizing the gravity of the other.

What is most important here? That the cop get his justice and protection under the law? Certainly.That the kids family and countless other black males killed for less than obvious reasons osns get the justice and protection they deserve from a most definitively militarized police force? Certainly.

I am still trying to wrap my head around all of this.
 
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The NYPD Admits a Rookie Cop Killed a 'Total Innocent' Last Night | VICE | United States

Seven months into his administration, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio began encountering something that has become a sort of litmus test for Gotham chieftains: the widely-publicized death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police officers. The tragic chokehold death​ of Staten Islander Eric Garner this July, a video of which has since become a memento of a tense summer nationwide, continues to fester.

Last night, it happened yet again in the depths of Brooklyn.

Akai Gurley. Twenty-eight years old. A black man. Shot by NYPD officer Peter Liang. Gurley and Melissa Butler, his girlfriend, were leaving her place in East New York's Pink Houses, a housing development prone to high crime, and decided to take the dimly-lit stairs on the eighth floor. Liang and his partner entered the staircase from a floor below. Liang, who had been on the force for 18 months, had his gun out, and accidentally shot Gurley. Gurley went on to die later in the night at a nea​rby hospital.

"The cop didn't present himself, he just shot him in the chest," Januce Butler, Melissa's sister, ​told the New York Times. "They didn't see their face or nothing."

What's most interesting about this tragedy is how New York City officialdom chose to respond. NYPD Commissioner William J. Bratton held a press conference early Friday at 1 Police Plaza, and told reporters exactly what advocates of police reform needed to hear. "The deceased is a total innocent who was not engaged in any criminal activity of any type," Bratton sa​id. "It appears to be an accidental discharge, with no intention to impact anyone. A very unfortunate tragedy."

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In essence, the Commissioner admitted that an officer under his command killed an innocent man who wasn't doing a damn thing wrong. And for many in New York, that admission by the top cop is news in itself: as Chris Smith ​points out, it's something that we haven't really seen since 2004, when Timothy Stansbury, 19 and unarmed, was accidentally killed by a police officer in a stairwell on his way to a birthday party. Back then, Commissioner Ray Kelly and Mayor Michael Bloomberg visited the Stanburys and apologized almost immediately.

"Bratton isn't breaking new ground here," Eugene O'Donnell, a law enforcement expert at CUNY John Jay College of Criminal Justice, told me. "But with Garner and Gurley, these are two totally different situations: one was the use of force, and one was an accident. But still, with Garner, it is the responsibility of the higher-ups to say that this was an irresponsible arrest for an unjust crime."

The thing is: that didn't happen. The day after Garner was killed, Bratton s​aid he "personally [didn't] think race was a factor" in his death. Afterwards, he w​ent on to defend broken windows policing, his style of law enforcement that targets men (mostly minority) like Garner for low-level infractions, or, in this case, sel​ling illegal, cheap cigarettes on the streets. And, as of this article's publication, the grand jury is still debating whether to charge the officers with what the Medical Examiner's office has deemed as a homicide.

And then we have Mayor Bill de Blasio, who postponed his family trip to Italy when he heard the news of Garner's death. Soon after, the Brooklynite told his citizens to listen to the police when being arrested—translation: do not​ resist, like Mr. Garner did. More recently, the mayor vo​iced opposition to a City Council bill that would ban chokeholds, arguing that the "best way to handle that is through NYPD policy," even if that policy has its occasional fatal slip-up.

But with the death of Akai Gurley, a very different tone came from Mayor de Blasio Friday, as if he's learned a lesson or two about what the bully pulpit entails. "This is a tragic situation," he told reporters at an unrelated press conference. "We lost a life today, and I feel very humanly about that. But it does appear to be a tragic accident."

To satisfy a tense populace, Mayor Bill de Blasio may need more than just rhetoric. Especially when another video emerged of a guy getting the the shit beaten out of him by cops, this time for skipping a $2.50 subway fare—also a broken windows crime—on Thursday.

"Retraining will not solve this problem," Priscilla Gonzalez, a spokeswoman for Communities United for Police Reform, said in a statement. "Meaningful and swift accountability in cases of brutality and killing of unarmed people by the NYPD is required to send a message that police brutality and misconduct is unacceptable in NYC."

In other words: Your move, Bill.
 

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And they've changed this story. No bomb, just guns.

Who changed the story? Reuters and CBS both still carry the articles.

FBI arrests two would-be Ferguson bomb suspects: law enforcement source | Reuters

By DANiEL WALLIS
FERGUSON Mo. Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:08am EST

(Reuters) - Two men suspected of buying explosives they planned to detonate during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, once a grand jury decides the Michael Brown case, were arrested on Friday and charged with federal firearms offenses, a law enforcement official told Reuters.


FBI arrests 2 men on firearms charges near Ferguson - CBS News

Last Updated Nov 22, 2014 7:56 AM EST


The FBI arrested two men earlier this week on firearms charges as part of increased law enforcement presence in Ferguson, Missouri, ahead of a grand jury decision in the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Court documents show Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis face charges of making false written statements in connection with a firearms purchase and aiding and abetting. FBI spokeswoman Rebecca Wu told CBS News the suspects were arrested on outstanding warrants.

A law enforcement source said the two men allegedly purchased explosive material during an FBI undercover operation to possibly use during Ferguson protests.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/n...officer-fatally-shoots-brooklyn-man.html?_r=0

Officer’s Errant Shot Kills Unarmed Brooklyn Man
By MICHAEL WILSONNOV. 21, 2014

Two police officers prepared to enter the pitch-black eighth-floor stairwell of a building in a Brooklyn housing project, one of them with his sidearm drawn. At the same time, a man and his girlfriend, frustrated by a long wait for an elevator, entered the seventh-floor stairwell, 14 steps below. In the darkness, a shot rang out from the officer’s gun, and the 28-year-old man below was struck in the chest and, soon after, fell dead.

The shooting, at 11:15 p.m. on Thursday, invited immediate comparison to the fatal shooting of an unarmed man in Ferguson, Mo. But 12 hours later, just after noon on Friday, the New York police commissioner, William J. Bratton, announced that the shooting was accidental and that the victim, Akai Gurley, had done nothing to provoke a confrontation with the officers.

Indeed, as the investigation continued into Friday night, a leading theory described an instance of simple, yet tragic, clumsiness on the part of the officer. Mr. Gurley was not armed, the police said.

The episode promised to bring scrutiny to a longtime police practice of officers drawing their weapons when patrolling stairwells in housing projects.

The shooting occurred in the Louis H. Pink Houses in the East New York neighborhood. The housing project had been the scene of a recent spate of crimes — there have been two robberies and four assaults in the development in the past month, two homicides in the past year, and a shooting in a nearby lobby last Saturday, Mr. Bratton said.

Additional officers, many new to the Police Department, were assigned to patrol the buildings, including the two officers in the stairwell on Thursday night, who were working an overtime tour.

Having just inspected the roof, the officers prepared to conduct what is known as a vertical patrol, an inspection of a building’s staircases, which tend to be a magnet for criminal activity or quality-of-life nuisances.

Both officers took out their flashlights, and one, Peter Liang, 27, a probationary officer with less than 18 months on the job, drew his sidearm, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic.

Officer Liang is left-handed, and he tried to turn the knob of the door that opens to the stairwell with that hand while also holding the gun, according to a high-ranking police official who was familiar with the investigation and who emphasized that the account could change.

It appears that in turning the knob and pushing the door open, Officer Liang rotated the barrel of the gun down and accidentally fired, the official said. He and the other officer both jumped back into the hallway, and Officer Liang shouted something to the effect that he had accidentally fired his weapon, the official said.

Mr. Gurley had spent the past hours getting his hair braided at a friend’s apartment. Neighbors said he had posted photos of himself on an online site for models, featuring his tattoos, his clothing and his muscular frame.

He and his girlfriend, Melissa Butler, waited for an elevator on the seventh floor, but it never came, so they opened the door to the dark stairwell instead. An instant later, the shot was fired. Mr. Gurley and Ms. Butler were probably unaware that the shot came from a police officer’s gun.

“The cop didn’t present himself, he just shot him in the chest,” Janice Butler, Ms. Butler’s sister, said. “They didn’t see their face or nothing.”

Mr. Gurley made it two flights down, to the fifth floor, where he collapsed. Melissa Butler called 911 from a lower floor, the official said.

Officer Liang and his partner came upon Mr. Gurley and called in the injury on the police radio, saying it was the result of an accidental discharge, the official said.

Mr. Gurley was taken to Brookdale Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Following protocol, Officer Liang was relieved of his gun and his badge pending an investigation.

Commissioner Bratton called Mr. Gurley “a total innocent” and said the shooting was “an unfortunate accident.” The victim was not engaged in any activity other than trying to walk down the stairs, Mr. Bratton said.

Mayor Bill de Blasio was also quick to offer his condolences to Mr. Gurley’s family. “This is a tragedy,” he said.

About 6:45 p.m. on Friday, the mayor, accompanied by his wife, Chirlane McCray, and Mr. Bratton, arrived at the Red Hook East Houses to visit the home of Mr. Gurley’s domestic partner, Kimberly Michelle Ballinger, 25.

They spent a little more than 10 minutes there and left without making any comment.

Earlier, Mr. Bratton said that whether an officer should draw his weapon while on patrol when there was no clear threat was a matter of discretion.

“There’s not a specific prohibition against taking a firearm out,” he said, adding, “As in all cases, an officer would have to justify the circumstances that required him to or resulted in his unholstering his firearm.”

The president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, Patrick J. Lynch, declined to say anything about the officer, but commented on the conditions of stairwells in projects, including the setting of the shooting.

The Pink Houses are among the most dangerous projects in the city, and their stairwells are the most dangerous places in the projects,” he said. “Dimly lit stairways and dilapidated conditions create fertile ground for violent crime, while the constant presence of illegal firearms creates a dangerous and highly volatile environment for police officers and residents alike.”

The Brooklyn district attorney, Kenneth P. Thompson, issued a statement that questioned the condition of the lighting in the stairwell.

“Many questions must be answered, including whether, as reported, the lights in the hallway were out for a number of days, and how this tragedy actually occurred,” Mr. Thompson said.

Neighbors said darkened stairwells were nothing new in the Pink Houses. “The staircases from eight down are dark,” said Mattie Dubose, a resident. “If you want to walk in them, you need an escort.”

Accidental discharge opening a door.

There was no confrontation, no assault, no trying to take the officers gun away, more so the officers and civilians never saw each other. (per girl friend's sister)

I can't fathom the hate crime element when they never saw each other.

Tragic event for all involved but sounds like an accident at this point

Internal affairs, the DA, and possibly the court system will decide if tthe evidence confirms this was truly an accident or if it was negligent homicide.
 

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Milwaukee Police Chief Flynn's take on crime, racial disparities goes viral - JSOnline
Milwaukee Police Chief Flynn's take on crime, racial disparities goes viral
By Sharif Durhams of the Journal Sentinel Nov. 21, 2014

A video of an emotional Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn decrying community activists on the night a 5-year-old girl was shot in her home is being drawn into a social media argument about crime and race with some describing Flynn as a “hero cop” calling our black community leaders and others blasting that characterization.

The recording garnered nearly 600,000 views Wednesday on YouTube and hundreds of thousands since as bloggers tied the racial disparities described by Flynn to the race-related tensions revealed by the August police shooting in Ferguson, Mo.

Journal Sentinel reporter Ashley Luthern recorded the video earlier this month at the first meeting of a police oversight panel after Flynn fired police officer Christopher Manney, who shot and killed Dontre Hamilton in April. The night of the meeting, a 5-year-old girl was shot and killed in a Milwaukee house while sitting on her grandfather's lap.

At one point during the meeting, members of the audience criticized Flynn for looking at his phone. Flynn said he was trying to keep up with developments in the girl’s shooting and later took on those critics in a press conference recorded by Luthern.

"The fact is that the people out here – some of them who have the most to say – are absolutely MIA when it comes to the true threats facing this community," Flynn said. "It gets a little tiresome when you start getting yelled at for reading the updates for the kid who got shot? Yeah. You take it personally."

On Wednesday, the video was posted to the social media site Reddit with the headline "Chief Flynn of Milwaukee PD speaks a harsh truth about African American crime in his community during a press conference." Conservative blogging sites that include Hot Air and talk show host Glenn Beck’s website, the Blaze, were among a number of online outlets posting a take on a story with commenters and some headlines describing the video as a take down of black community leaders.

On the other side, blogging site Gawker describes some of those celebrating the video as "racist (expletive)."

Many commenters noted that Flynn’s comments were more nuanced than some of the partisan portrayals. Much of the police chief’s emotional response focuses on the fact that African Americans are most often the victims of crime in Milwaukee. He blames the ready availability of "high capacity, quality firearms in the hands of remorseless criminals who don’t care who they shoot."

Flynn also takes what could be considered a shot at the local news media, indicating community leaders can name those shot by area police officers in recent years, but not the most recent homicide victims killed by other civilians.

He took a similar shot Friday when asked his thoughts about reaction to the video.

"I've received positive comments from police chiefs and others across the country regarding my remarks on violence and its impact on disadvantaged communities," Flynn said through a spokesperson. "It also highlighted my frustration with the fact that the mass media ignores this while criticizing police activities to reduce the disparity and impact of crime on the poor."
 

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Chief Edward Flynn is an interesting guy per wiki

Flynn grew up in Brielle, New Jersey. He was the only child of Edward, a paralyzed World War II veteran, and Constance, who worked part-time work at the local library. In 1966 he graduated from Christian Brothers Academy. He went on to earn a B.A. in history from La Salle University. After college he worked for the New Jersey Department of Public Welfare. In 1971 he joined the Hillside Township, New Jersey Police Department. From 1973 to 1988 he was a member of the Jersey City, New Jersey Police Department, rising to the rank of inspector. While in Jersey City he earned a masters degree in criminal justice from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice[2] and completed the coursework for the Ph.D. in criminal justice from the City University of New York. He is also a graduate of the FBI National Academy, the National Executive Institute and was a National Institute of Justice Pickett Fellow at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.[3]

Not only do community activists want him fired, the Milwaukee Police Association wants him fired because he fired an officer that shot and killed a man while on duty. Supposedly that firing for an on duty shooting was the first in 45 years. The union held a vote of no confidence hoping to get Flynn ousted.


Officer who fatally shot Dontre Hamilton fired from the Milwaukee Police Department | FOX6Now.com



Wiki adds:

Flynn was sworn in as Milwaukee Police Chief on January 7, 2008.[9] He was only the second outsider in the history of the Milwaukee Police Department to be named chief.

In late 2011 his contract was renewed for an additional four years.[14] Flynn's second term marked the first time since 1863 that a Milwaukee police chief was reappointed.
 
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That cop had no reason to have his gun drawn unless he was planning on shooting someone. It's not an accident if his gun was drawn. Cops just can't walk around firing shost when they hear a noise. It was manslaughter and yet another cop killing of an unarmed man.
 

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Oh I forgot they didn't change the story at all:

Mo. cop didn’t suspect Michael Brown before shooting: chief - NY Daily News

I'm sure the truth is in Darren Wilson's incident report which he of course did right after the killing.

All this story says is that Wilson didn't know about the robbery, at the time that he stopped them. It doesn't say that he learned about it, as he was interacting with them, after stopping them. I'm pretty sure that is what the dispatch timeline indicated.
 

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That cop had no reason to have his gun drawn unless he was planning on shooting someone.

That's just as ridiculous as me saying that there is no reason for you posting on IE unless it is to cry "RACISM!!"
 

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You don't pull your gun unless you are planning on using it. That's gun ownership 101.

You do, if you are not a civilian....... There are plenty of times when you go into a situation with your firearm at the ready, in law enforcement or in the military.
 
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No more racism, just an unfortunate accident that people like Darrien Hunt and John Crawford were gunned down by cops for no reason at all.
 

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Black people are treated exactly the same as white people. What a wonderful world.

Racism exists from ALL races and it probably always will. I don't think anyone here would argue that. I believe the roots of this debate start with who's responsible for fixing the black community and who's to blame for the majority of their issues. This incident is a tragedy but no matter the outcome, it won't fix the real issues. In fact, the actions of a few idiots inciting people in Missouri has caused a further divide.

There comes a time when people have to make a conscious decision to stop playing the victim. You are the cause of most things in your life, no matter your color.
 
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