Rehabilitation and the rehab they provide.

[Circa]

The Monster. Monsters are cool and exciting to my 2 and half-year-old child. He watches the cartoon and smiles while seeing cartoon characters running around the screen of his I-Pad. How can we watch a monster swallow us, and just say OK.
As we all know the instinct as a teenager Is to either get laid, drink beer, and have fun doing It. The repercussions never ever seemed to outway the being.

You all on the thread will probably say, He just has no self-control. Refer yourselves to the "What are you drinking now" thread.

I have a few stories to tell about 2 different rehab's. I'll share one story and It involves an A-class actor, his sister, a guy that was a star In Terminator 1 and 2, a woman who played in Freddy Vs Jason, Princess Leia and a guy who had his own series on a reputable network, Benjamin Bratt played his role.

I'll start with saying It was a favorable place to get sober and work on a sober living program. I'll end at the moment with saying; It was a joke and nothing more than an Insurance scam. If I had the willpower and fortitude I would file a lawsuit. I ended up homeless in Southern California for a week. I finally tucked my nuts under my chin and called my wife to fly me home. I lost all of my luggage and some of my proverbial will to see sober living as a good cause, I definitely found the scam artists that provide help.

I watched the great truth teller 'John Oliver' recently. It provided me the courage to find others and their story. If you have to use another alias; Aunt's, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, etc... It's worth It for the sake of future people looking for betterment in their own lives.

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I will add further context to this thread as I remember.

 

[Circa]

If all else fails, and we can't relate as a group to addiction.... Let's talk about things that are addictive... like Sugar, Netflix, your porn habits........

 

[ginman]

My ex went to one of these posh rehabs- it was good for her, but only because she was committed to getting sober. It sounds like most of the people there were in the in and out cycle of going to rehab. She described it as being like going to college without the boos, in a beautiful location with lots of amenities . If there is money for the taking people will get it.

Porn "addiction" on the other hand is a fun topic. Much to most of that addiction goes like this... wife finds out husband is watching porn. Husband reluctantly agrees to stop watching to soothe her. He watches again - addiction!!!!!! Addiction involves an increasing need for more of the "substance" that causes problems in that persons life..... Most of the time "porn" is not an addiction by definition. But I do find it interesting that violence on TV is much more acceptable than consensual sex.

 

[Irish YJ]

If all else fails, and we can't relate as a group to addiction.... Let's talk about things that are addictive... like Sugar, Netflix, your porn habits........

tight round butts drive me nutz. not big ones though. really really hard to give up.

since this is a Circa thread, let me illustrate via gif.....

 

[zelezo vlk]

If Y'all don't think that porn fucks up your mind, then you're crazy. There's loads of research coming out how harmful it is (and how much it's effects on the brain mimic drugs)

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[IrishLax]

If Y'all don't think that porn fucks up your mind, then you're crazy. There's loads of research coming out how harmful it is (and how much it's effects on the brain mimic drugs)

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I believe someone brought this up on here a couple years ago and linked some interesting articles. The consensus of the research was that consumption of video pornography has devastating effects on the brain for many men, and the changes to the brain are largely reversible by simply stopping... much like detoxing from a drug.

 

[ginman]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...can-male/201710/pornography-addiction-in-2017

- this is where the field is moving with regards to porn addiction- most referrals to therapy are related to angry wives or religious guilt.

 

[Irish YJ]

Had a sales guy who went to porn and sex addiction rehab a few years ago. He was pretty much open book about the "treatment". In short, they told him that it's the orgasm and release of chemicals that impacts the brain. If you're having sex 5 times a day, or diddling yourself 5 times a day, the impact to your brain chemistry is the same. Psychologically speaking you can argue the different psychological impacts of both, but the brain chemistry impacts are the same.

I later learned the full story behind the guy after he was fired... Turns out, he was banging strippers left and right while on the road and he got caught by his wife. He blamed porn and agreed to go to the rehab. That wasn't the whole story though. Months later I found out that he and his wife were coke head swingers, and she was pissed he was going outside the marriage without her and without her permission. People are F'd up.

 

[Circa]

My ex went to one of these posh rehabs- it was good for her, but only because she was committed to getting sober. It sounds like most of the people there were in the in and out cycle of going to rehab. She described it as being like going to college without the boos, in a beautiful location with lots of amenities . If there is money for the taking people will get it.

Porn "addiction" on the other hand is a fun topic. Much to most of that addiction goes like this... wife finds out husband is watching porn. Husband reluctantly agrees to stop watching to soothe her. He watches again - addiction!!!!!! Addiction involves an increasing need for more of the "substance" that causes problems in that persons life..... Most of the time "porn" is not an addiction by definition. But I do find it interesting that violence on TV is much more acceptable than consensual sex.

Thanks for sharing. It was similar to college but nobody had any idea of a real future plan. I was 35 on my first stint, I thought it was ok and there were many older folks that I could talk and relate to... then they all cycled out (graduated) and I found myself listening to 18-25 year old kids talk about things that I had no way of relating.. I was soo stressed out about the way my sobriety was being effected by kids not really wanting to be there I was drinking on the flight home. I’m not proud of this admission but It was very hard. This rehab was in southern Florida.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...can-male/201710/pornography-addiction-in-2017

- this is where the field is moving with regards to porn addiction- most referrals to therapy are related to angry wives or religious guilt.

So help me understand: Do you believe it's harmless? or porn addiction isn't real because DSM hasn't created a category for it?

From my view, porn is terrible and there is very much an addictive element like anything else that short circuits the delivery of a pleasure response. Adolescent exposure to porn creates a mental map of how the "transaction" unfolds, which is incredibly unhealthy.

Some people really want porn to be a harmless, stress-reducing activity. Spoiler alert: it ain't that.

 

[Irishize]

So help me understand: Do you believe it's harmless? or porn addiction isn't real because DSM hasn't created a category for it?

From my view, porn is terrible and there is very much an addictive element like anything else that short circuits the delivery of a pleasure response. Adolescent exposure to porn creates a mental map of how the "transaction" unfolds, which is incredibly unhealthy.

Some people really want porn to be a harmless, stress-reducing activity. Spoiler alert: it ain't that.

I agree. I helped facilitate a “Men’s Fraternity” course at a nearby correctional facility for a few years. Plenty of porn addicts, drug addicts, etc...just like in the free world...they just got caught.

One of the sociologists told us that, some...NOT ALL, start out w/ what seems like harmless porn habits. After awhile, they become numb to the level they’ve been viewing and graduate to harder core stuff. Eventually they come to a fork in the road when searching out even more hardcore stuff. It devolves into two choices: 1) Animals & 2) Minor adults. They almost always opt for #2.

On addictions overall, it’s interesting how some of us have more addictive personalities than others. Those personalities can have both positive & negative outcomes. One anecdote that lives w/ me to this day: Some buddies were partying at our duplex in college. Someone brought out a blunt. One of the guys had never tried it but was curious. He tried it & seemed to enjoy the euphoria that came w/ it. None of us thought much about it & had no idea he went “all in” and started opting for weed as much or more than alcohol (yes, booze can be just as devastating if not more). Sadly, he wanted to graduate to something more & once we had all graduated we heard he was strung out on meth.

Thankfully, years later we caught up & he had become clean & sober w/ wife & family. He danced w/ the devil & was able to come out on the other end...though he knows he can backslide at any moment. So, I agree marijuana may not be a gateway drug from some...but my opinion is that it can be for others. And how come we don’t hear of alcohol being a “gateway drug”?

As Circa alluded to...there are plenty of coping mechanisms. Drugs, alcohol, food, co-dependency, sex, gambling, etc. And there’s also the nature vs nurture effect. Children begin to learn from their parents at a very young age. Put impressionable adolescents w/ dysfunctional parents and that dysfunction will trickle down to the kids regardless of genetics.

Just my two cents.

 

[Circa]

It’s Amazing that this board can understand the ultimate reality of addiction. If any of you “normal” people have reasons to post about porn or the road that our minds seem to travel once introduced to anything that makes the addict feel normal. Feel free to add more about the idea of addiction itself. It’s a 35 billion dollar industry as of 5 years ago.
From the Betty Ford Center for Addiction, to scams that outweighed the help that some want and try to receive.
It is 1 subject that affects the lives of millions! No one seems to understand the ending. Death or jail.

 

[Circa]

I know some of you understand my past. My little brother whom was the only blood I ever knew killed himself. I was lost and never found until my children took a breath of air. Go Notre Dame!!!!

 

[Irishize]

It’s Amazing that this board can understand the ultimate reality of addiction. If any of you “normal” people have reasons to post about porn or the road that our minds seem to travel once introduced to anything that makes the addict feel normal. Feel free to add more about the idea of addiction itself. It’s a 35 billion dollar industry as of 5 years ago.
From the Betty Ford Center for Addiction, to scams that outweighed the help that some want and try to receive.
It is 1 subject that affects the lives of millions! No one seems to understand the ending. Death or jail.

Not sure “normal” people even exist. EVERYONE has demons or imperfections or traumatic experiences or neglect that lead them to poor choices. No one can be perfect.

 

[Circa]

So help me understand: Do you believe it's harmless? or porn addiction isn't real because DSM hasn't created a category for it?

From my view, porn is terrible and there is very much an addictive element like anything else that short circuits the delivery of a pleasure response. Adolescent exposure to porn creates a mental map of how the "transaction" unfolds, which is incredibly unhealthy.

Some people really want porn to be a harmless, stress-reducing activity. Spoiler alert: it ain't that.

Porn is a very delicate subject. It’s definitely a subject that can undermine a relationship and make a man or woman feel the need for more/ or less in their own delicate relationships. Thanks for your knowledge about this.

 

[Circa]

Not sure “normal” people even exist. EVERYONE has demons or imperfections or traumatic experiences or neglect that lead them to poor choices. No one can be perfect.

Tou-che’

 

[Circa]

A little Irony! Sam Kinison. Great comedian and that can always be argued. His effect on the people around him seemed to give light to a good man that previously was in the business of preaching. He was and still is a man that many think died of an overdose.
The Ironic part of his story is; he was killed by a drunk driver. Of all people his check got cashed, and he still doesn’t get the light he earned

 

[ulukinatme]

Like most things, I think porn is fine in moderation. If you're consuming it daily, or multiple times daily, you likely have a problem.
For those with kids and busy lives, sometimes there's not always time for intimacy with the Mrs. The boys can ache after awhile without any action, and sometimes a visual aid is helpful with the...release.

Now I feel like I need to copy the Surly Horns thread "Getting Laid: 2019." They keep track of how long they've gone without sex, or how frequent it's occurring There's also a thread over there "Shart Thread 2019: The Year of the Squirt." Yes, they're a different breed of assholes.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Like most things, I think porn is fine in moderation. If you're consuming it daily, or multiple times daily, you likely have a problem.
For those with kids and busy lives, sometimes there's not always time for intimacy with the Mrs. The boys can ache after awhile without any action, and sometimes a visual aid is helpful with the...release.

Now I feel like I need to copy the Surly Horns thread "Getting Laid: 2019." They keep track of how long they've gone without sex, or how frequent it's occurring There's also a thread over there "Shart Thread 2019: The Year of the Squirt." Yes, they're a different breed of assholes.

Thought experiment: If you are going to start talking about the morality of it as some kind of clinical release aid, would it make a difference if the aid has overwhelming negative impacts on those who produce it? Say the drug abuse rate among actors in that industry was 4x normal, depression rate was 3x what is normal, the suicide rate was 2.5 normal, and the STD rate was 2x normal. I’m making those numbers up. I’m not saying it does, I’m only interested in if it would.

Similar question, if I can say, “I can never imagine accepting my wife, mother, or sister taking work in the sex industry under any circumstances,” does that have impact on whether it is right to use it?

 

[ulukinatme]

Thought experiment: If you are going to start talking about the morality of it as some kind of clinical release aid, would it make a difference if the aid has overwhelming negative impacts on those who produce it? Say the drug abuse rate among actors in that industry was 4x normal, depression rate was 3x what is normal, the suicide rate was 2.5 normal, and the STD rate was 2x normal. I’m making those numbers up. I’m not saying it does, I’m only interested in if it would.

Similar question, if I can say, “I can never imagine accepting my wife, mother, or sister taking work in the sex industry under any circumstances,” does that have impact on whether it is right to use it?

To answer the first thought experiment, not really. There are plenty of fields that have high depression rates, and there are fields like musical artists and traditional acting where drugs and other negative factors are often higher than for the normal person, but that doesn't stop people from pursuing those fields even when they know there could be possible ramifications. It's a non-factor for me, because those problems can affect anyone and they often do.

As far as the second question, while I personally wouldn't have married my wife if she had chosen porn as her profession, that's a personal choice for specific reasons. That doesn't mean I have a problem with how other other people want to live their life, I just wouldn't want to deal with the fame and/or embarrassing situations that she or I might encounter as a result. There's also the fact I wouldn't be comfortable with some other guy screwing my wife, but again that's a personal choice and if other people allow their spouses to have sex with other people then I have no problem with it. Does that mean it's wrong to use it? It certainly would be wrong if I saw my sister or my mother in porn of course (And might shatter one's mental state completely) but it's extremely unlikely such a scenario would occur. I have no problem viewing someone else's mother or sister though because that's their choice to take part in that line of work, and I'll never see them at the Thanksgiving dinner table so it won't be awkward.

That all may sound hypocritical, I'm basically fine with it as long as my own family isn't involved. I'm not saying I'd forbid my sister from doing it, but I'd be disappointed only because I know how talented she is in her real profession and she can make plenty of money there without needing to subject herself to it. When it's strangers there's no attachment, and it's out of sight, out of mind when the monitor is off. It's simply there as a visual aid, I don't think about anyone else when I'm with my wife, nor do I think about anyone specifically when I'm not with my wife.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Had a sales guy who went to porn and sex addiction rehab a few years ago. He was pretty much open book about the "treatment". In short, they told him that it's the orgasm and release of chemicals that impacts the brain. If you're having sex 5 times a day, or diddling yourself 5 times a day, the impact to your brain chemistry is the same. Psychologically speaking you can argue the different psychological impacts of both, but the brain chemistry impacts are the same.

I later learned the full story behind the guy after he was fired... Turns out, he was banging strippers left and right while on the road and he got caught by his wife. He blamed porn and agreed to go to the rehab. That wasn't the whole story though. Months later I found out that he and his wife were coke head swingers, and she was pissed he was going outside the marriage without her and without her permission. People are F'd up.

A friend of mine has a legit crazy wife. He feels like he can't leave for financial reasons.
( that's a whole other situation) But he watches HOURS of porn daily. Like takes days of work, actually pays for the stuff, which really blows my mind. he's totally whacked out, literally and figuratively for porn.

us ' friends' just kind of laugh it of because its so crazy, but in all reality, he's got a problem.

 

[Irishize]

Like most things, I think porn is fine in moderation. If you're consuming it daily, or multiple times daily, you likely have a problem.
For those with kids and busy lives, sometimes there's not always time for intimacy with the Mrs. The boys can ache after awhile without any action, and sometimes a visual aid is helpful with the...release.

Now I feel like I need to copy the Surly Horns thread "Getting Laid: 2019." They keep track of how long they've gone without sex, or how frequent it's occurring There's also a thread over there "Shart Thread 2019: The Year of the Squirt." Yes, they're a different breed of assholes.

I can only speak for my own marriage & it’s paid dividends to the health of our relationship but we make it a priority to have a “date night” at least once a week I think it’s one of the best commitments we’ve made as a couple as far as strengthening our marriage. The added benefit we’ve realized is that our two kids see how we make it a priority as well & realize it’s a weekly occurrence. So we spend our dinner getting caught up on each other’s week &/or any issues we are grappling with. Then we head home for intimacy as that is just as important.

 

[Irishize]

A friend of mine has a legit crazy wife. He feels like he can't leave for financial reasons.
( that's a whole other situation) But he watches HOURS of porn daily. Like takes days of work, actually pays for the stuff, which really blows my mind. he's totally whacked out, literally and figuratively for porn.

us ' friends' just kind of laugh it of because its so crazy, but in all reality, he's got a problem.

Had a co-worker who had a problem w/ porn before he got married. Then after marriage, it escalated b/c it affected his intimacy w/ his wife as he seemingly couldn’t “come back to the real physical world” and perform w/ someone he loved. In other words, porn had become more important & arousing than his own wife. Again, the sad thing was that they were newly married & she was a pretty gal. We had a regional meeting w/ a dinner afterwards where our wives could attend. She intimated this to all the wives (some she knew better than others) which is how I heard about it. She once threw his laptop in the lake b/c she was tired of constantly finding porn. Sad. Hopefully he got help & they could get counselling.

 

[loomis41973]

Many rehab centers are nothing more than $$ grabs as we all know. Here's just one of thousands of stories.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsqvliyTQwY

 

[Section20Row27]

tight round butts drive me nutz. not big ones though. really really hard to give up.

since this is a Circa thread, let me illustrate via gif.....

does anyone else get severe cramping in your hands while watching this gif?

 

[Legacy]

Some of the Affordable Care Act's best features is the implementation of electronic medical records with criterias for admissions. EMRs facilitate prosecutions for fraud and expedite transfers.

Rehab for physical conditions are generally above board, though some are owned by physicians. The patient has to be presented with choices and what the out of pocket costs may be.

Rehab for psych conditions have to meet certain criteria for admission and length of stay.

Drug rehab centers are almost all for profit and should be checked for their reputations with reliable, objective sources. The worst are vultures, preying on the vulnerable. DOJ has prosecuted many with fines and even prison sentences, but can be very lucrative. Alcohol is physically worse to beat that other substances. However, many people have multiple factors that need to be addressed and require outpatient follow up to decrease recidivism rates.

Opioids' hidden epidemic—fraudulent drug treatment centers

If private or federal insurance is involved with payments, they have fraud hotlines tp whom you can report the substance treatment centers.

 

[Circa]

Thought experiment: If you are going to start talking about the morality of it as some kind of clinical release aid, would it make a difference if the aid has overwhelming negative impacts on those who produce it? Say the drug abuse rate among actors in that industry was 4x normal, depression rate was 3x what is normal, the suicide rate was 2.5 normal, and the STD rate was 2x normal. I’m making those numbers up. I’m not saying it does, I’m only interested in if it would.

Similar question, if I can say, “I can never imagine accepting my wife, mother, or sister taking work in the sex industry under any circumstances,” does that have impact on whether it is right to use it?

Porn, Alcohol, soon to be medical marijuana, and let's not leave out very Important releases; Soap operas, Netflix, Amazon Prime and the shopping network, Fast food, every candy bar you ever knew becoming a different flavor...... McDonald's made a trillion dollars off of your and every other simple minds addiction to shit for a meal and let's not forget the TV-dinner.
Porn Is weird because It has to get dirtier the longer the addict has become addicted. Specialty beers Is the same addiction, as far as that goes.

 

[Valpodoc85]

the use of psychedelics in the treatment of addiction is a very interesting rabbit hole to go down. Understanding how they work gives a new understanding to addiction and addictive behaviors. "How to Change Your Mind" by M Pollan is a great starter.

 

[Circa]

the use of psychedelics in the treatment of addiction is a very interesting rabbit hole to go down. Understanding how they work gives a new understanding to addiction and addictive behaviors. "How to Change Your Mind" by M Pollan is a great starter.

Believe It or not.... I had a summer full of love with all the things that make spirituality, God, and the sense of being within 1 heartbeat..... and It was an experience I'll never forget.
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[NDBoiler]

Believe It or not.... I had a summer full of love with all the things that make spirituality, God, and the sense of being within 1 heartbeat..... and It was an experience I'll never forget.
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Well color me surprised lol.