Reality Check

[Who'saWildManNow]

We need to wake up & look at what’s really going on.. starting with this embarrassment of a performance.

Embarrassing sums it up from a fans perspective.

I wonder what the coaches and players think of it.

Football starts in the trenches. The O Line pass protected well enough but couldn’t establish a run game.

Don Brown had no problem looking at tape and seeing that Ian doesn’t go through progressions.

What does it mean when you don’t go through progressions? You’re not prepared, you’re not coached up, or you’re not good enough or some combination of all.

There were numerous times he could have 3 step dropped and hit WRs in stride.. McKinley stands out as one of the biggest misses of Ian’s night.

But instead he 3 stepped.. stuttered.. let the WRs go and ducked to get sacked for a loss or 2-3 yard gain. Re-watch the game and see how many times he threw off of his back foot. This is basic QB coaching. It’s not like the pocket want intact, it was. Ian’s pre-reads were fu*king brutal.

If you look at the past few weeks as a D coordinator you would see why Brown had such an easy time game planning.

IAN DOESNT THROW TDs (when it matters).


Before Michigan, Ian threw 14 TDs.

Of those 14

5 against New Mexico

5 against Bowling Green

1 against Louisville

1 against USC

2 against Georgia, sounds good right? One was for 1 yard, the other 4.

Don Brown had the easiest preparation ever.. stop the run.

Jafar Armstrong led the season and Tony had the recent success. Our coaching staff clearly thought we’d be Wisconsin 2.0 and run through them while pressuring they’re poor decision making QB.

Joke was on us.

We didn’t help with awful tackling, poor angles and what felt like an overall complete miss of a defensive plan.

ON A F*CKING BYE WEEK

But the rain..?

No. Absolutely not.

Ian Book was exposed.

The season, game after game becomes a funnel of information as the truth squeezes itself out.

He excelled against inferior competition, rode a D in Athens (to a loss) and scrambled his way to a USC win.

But when the weather and game-plan forced his basic fundamentals to win the game he failed. As much as I like the kid, it’s the truth. The coaching caught up to him & he’s no Justin Fields , who can improvise his way through the amateur ranks.

We don’t have a championship QB on the roster.

When’s the last time we have?

Everett & Tommy making their way through a mediocre schedule doesn’t count.

Brandon was never “the guy”.

Damn.. I was a kid when we made the transition from Rice to Mirer and bounced around 9 wins and I grew up with guys like McDougal, Powlus, Jackson, Holliday, Quinn, Jones, Sharpley, etc..

I’m a grown ass man now with 4 young sons and I haven’t had a marquee QB at Notre Dame.. that’s our reality check.

We haven’t had THE guy behind center since Tony Rice and even he was just a piece of the wishbone offense on a team built with players Notre Dame is no longer able to recruit.

REALITY CHECK

We don’t win the big game because we don’t have the big QB.

 

[BeatSC]

Thanks for expressing my thoughts and depressing theschitt out if me. Enough of these Joe Schmidt’s, Finkes, Books, Rees and McDaniels when better players are lying around. Book can take that C on his shirt and have it no way atand for cheer leader. He didn’t lose this game on his own but he sure led the way with ineptitude Andrew the rest followed. Sad to say they are going deservedly so hang their heads because they have absolute nothing to be proud of tonight. They played like a team without heart and embarrassed themselves and ND. This makes at least a top 10pf awful losses by ND teams that were ranked.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Thanks for expressing my thoughts and depressing theschitt out if me. Enough of these Joe Schmidt’s, Finkes, Books, Rees and McDaniels when better players are lying around. Book can take that C on his shirt and have it no way atand for cheer leader. He didn’t lose this game on his own but he sure led the way with ineptitude Andrew the rest followed. Sad to say they are going deservedly so hang their heads because they have absolute nothing to be proud of tonight. They played like a team without heart and embarrassed themselves and ND. This makes at least a top 10pf awful losses by ND teams that were ranked.

Losing like this is inexcusable... they were utterly unprepared.. they should roll heads but they won’t.

They’re ok with football mediocrity, as sad as that is to admit.

 

[BeatSC]

When you look at what they have been able to achieve with this OC and QB and no real starting RB (Jones is a good FB) it’s not too shabby but not making this schitt show look a little less awful it inexcusable. Embarrassing is the only way to describe it and it reflected no heart (mostly the D in the 4th quarter. The D will need to get a lot better to help this offense win the rest of the games. Anymore offensive games like that and Rees and Chip get the boot.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

When you look at what they have been able to achieve with this OC and QB and no real starting RB (Jones is a good FB) it’s not too shabby but not making this schitt show look a little less awful it inexcusable. Embarrassing is the only way to describe it and it reflected no heart (mostly the D in the 4th quarter. The D will need to get a lot better to help this offense win the rest of the games. Anymore offensive games like that and Rees and Chip get the boot.

Idk, I blame the offense 100x more than the defense. They showed up, but when your offense is so inept, and you know Ian Book can’t even tie his shoes, let alone hit a wide open wideout without shitting his pants first, I’d imagine that is frustrating and takes away some of their motivation.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't blame the offense, I blame the coaches particularly the head one. After 10 years everything about ND, good or bad, lays at the feet of Brian Kelly. The supposed "QB whisperer" hasn't produced a single generational QB and every QB has regressed from year 1 to year 2.

 

[pumpdog20]

The cold reality is that the university doesn't want to win championships. It wants to rely on blue hairs and their money to stay relevant, with a sprinkle of football on the side. It's a snobby institution that wants to pretend football had nothing to do with its reputation.

It's a bold strategy, but ND will be just fine as an academic of higher learning without a championship level football team. I fear the end is coming, with college going way of the semi pro route, and ND deciding to "play school". I know a lot of you are graduates and the integrity of the school is more important than football. Cool, go be Ivy League. I'm strictly here for the football.

Michigan's reputation doesn't take a hit because they let in players ND wouldn't, or allow them to take an easier class load. Shoot look at Duke, you going to tell me all them top 20 basketball players could really get in w/o being elite at basketball? USC, UNC, still top 30 rated institutions despite letting athletes off the hook a little.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I'm not disagreeing with the general premise but damn we like to overreact as a fanbase. We are coming off a CFP appearance and are working on our 3rd straight 10+ win season. It was one game that will likely shake up the starting QB and possibly a couple of assistants including OC. Probably better for the long haul. This team wasnt CFP material this year anyway.

We need "that guy" at QB. Let's see what PJ does. If not him then Pyne, then Buchner. I feel like one of these will finally stick.

 

[IrishLax]

The reality check, IMO, is that this team is not very good. They simply lack talent in some areas.

I think coaching needs to be evaluated in some spots, but the overreaction is to blow everything up because of a single inexplicable loss. Even Meyer has a handful of these (e.g. Purdue last year by 29 points).

 

[Sea Turtle]

The cold reality is that the university doesn't want to win championships. It wants to rely on blue hairs and their money to stay relevant, with a sprinkle of football on the side. It's a snobby institution that wants to pretend football had nothing to do with its reputation.

It's a bold strategy, but ND will be just fine as an academic of higher learning without a championship level football team. I fear the end is coming, with college going way of the semi pro route, and ND deciding to "play school". I know a lot of you are graduates and the integrity of the school is more important than football. Cool, go be Ivy League. I'm strictly here for the football.

Michigan's reputation doesn't take a hit because they let in players ND wouldn't, or allow them to take an easier class load. Shoot look at Duke, you going to tell me all them top 20 basketball players could really get in w/o being elite at basketball? USC, UNC, still top 30 rated institutions despite letting athletes off the hook a little.

I understand what you're saying. I see ND grads on these forums saying 'i worked hard for my degree and I want it to be worth something'. Then I try to imagagine a Duke grad going in for an interview and the interviewer saying 'hmmm, you graduated from Duke I see. I don't know.....that school is a basketball factory. We want serious candidates only'.

LOL, like that ever happens.

Im curious though, if ND hates the idea of being a football factory, if they look down on them, then why do they SCHEDULE do many of them? Shouldn't they be scheduling Virginia, UCLA, Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, etc. to go along with Stanford and USC? You know, Like minded Universities?

 

[ARALOU]

I have always said that BLOW OUTS can happen to anyone. Those are still young people playing the game. Their mood, confidence, frame of mind, whatever, can be manipulated. The really great coaches seem to have the gift of instilling confidence or pride on a regular basis. Xs and Os is one thing but the will to win has to be there too. Clemson last year got on a roll with their talent and was untouchable. No team in the country could stay on the field with them those last 2 games. Just like 2012, no team in the country was going to stay on the field with Bama. 95 Nebraska beat everyone by 40. They had no slip ups, didn't look past anyone, underestimated nobody. They demolished everyone, and was confident all the way. That is probably the most dominant season I have ever seen. In my opinion, there is no team heads above everyone else this year. There are probably 5-6 that could beat one another depending the day.That is coaching, having them ready to play and having depth on the bench, ready to play. ND doesn't really have any depth to substitute for flat play. The coaching and recruiting is likely as good as it will get right now. I don't see any of the "very few" coaches out there that are better than Kelly coming to ND. A mid major coach with some success isn't the answer. The recruiting would likely be on the same level or worse. There are probably better X and O coaches out there but I think Kelly is as good as the Irish can hope for presently.

 

[Circa]

We need to wake up & look at what’s really going on.. starting with this embarrassment of a performance.

Embarrassing sums it up from a fans perspective.

I wonder what the coaches and players think of it.

Football starts in the trenches. The O Line pass protected well enough but couldn’t establish a run game.

Don Brown had no problem looking at tape and seeing that Ian doesn’t go through progressions.

What does it mean when you don’t go through progressions? You’re not prepared, you’re not coached up, or you’re not good enough or some combination of all.

There were numerous times he could have 3 step dropped and hit WRs in stride.. McKinley stands out as one of the biggest misses of Ian’s night.

But instead he 3 stepped.. stuttered.. let the WRs go and ducked to get sacked for a loss or 2-3 yard gain. Re-watch the game and see how many times he threw off of his back foot. This is basic QB coaching. It’s not like the pocket want intact, it was. Ian’s pre-reads were fu*king brutal.

If you look at the past few weeks as a D coordinator you would see why Brown had such an easy time game planning.

IAN DOESNT THROW TDs (when it matters).


Before Michigan, Ian threw 14 TDs.

Of those 14

5 against New Mexico

5 against Bowling Green

1 against Louisville

1 against USC

2 against Georgia, sounds good right? One was for 1 yard, the other 4.

Don Brown had the easiest preparation ever.. stop the run.

Jafar Armstrong led the season and Tony had the recent success. Our coaching staff clearly thought we’d be Wisconsin 2.0 and run through them while pressuring they’re poor decision making QB.

Joke was on us.

We didn’t help with awful tackling, poor angles and what felt like an overall complete miss of a defensive plan.

ON A F*CKING BYE WEEK

But the rain..?

No. Absolutely not.

Ian Book was exposed.

The season, game after game becomes a funnel of information as the truth squeezes itself out.

He excelled against inferior competition, rode a D in Athens (to a loss) and scrambled his way to a USC win.

But when the weather and game-plan forced his basic fundamentals to win the game he failed. As much as I like the kid, it’s the truth. The coaching caught up to him & he’s no Justin Fields , who can improvise his way through the amateur ranks.

We don’t have a championship QB on the roster.

When’s the last time we have?

Everett & Tommy making their way through a mediocre schedule doesn’t count.

Brandon was never “the guy”.

Damn.. I was a kid when we made the transition from Rice to Mirer and bounced around 9 wins and I grew up with guys like McDougal, Powlus, Jackson, Holliday, Quinn, Jones, Sharpley, etc..

I’m a grown ass man now with 4 young sons and I haven’t had a marquee QB at Notre Dame.. that’s our reality check.

We haven’t had THE guy behind center since Tony Rice and even he was just a piece of the wishbone offense on a team built with players Notre Dame is no longer able to recruit.

REALITY CHECK

We don’t win the big game because we don’t have the big QB.

I can agree. I still think back to BK's pre-game interview and he stated the fact that It was going to be a long night(Not Chip).

Ian Is a lot more like Reese than we all wanna admit. Salvage the season type of QB.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can agree. I still think back to BK's pre-game interview and he stated the fact that It was going to be a long night(Not Chip).

Ian Is a lot more like Reese than we all wanna admit. Salvage the season type of QB.

He said that?

 

[nd_fan]

Notre Dame hasn't won a Championship game in over 30 years.

The team is 1-18 against Top 5 ranked opponents since 2000. In the Kelly era, ND is 0-5 against top 5 ranked opponents with 3 of those games with 14+ point losses. The last time we won against a top 5 ranked opponent was #3 Michigan in 2005 (Brady Quinn was the QB). We are 4-12 against top 25 ranked opponents in road games under Brian Kelly.

There are more institutionalized issues than coaching and players. The school just isn't built for championship caliber football program without sacrificing its academic standards. The nation has changed. There were dime a dozen of scholar athletes long time ago. Nowadays the word "scholar athlete" is mystery concept.

On a more positive, ND made Top 15 for 2020 US News National University rankings. At least ND can beat Alabama, Clemson, OSU, and LSU in that lol.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I can agree. I still think back to BK's pre-game interview and he stated the fact that It was going to be a long night(Not Chip).



Ian Is a lot more like Reese than we all wanna admit. Salvage the season type of QB.

He said that?

I believe he said something along those lines at half time talking to Maria Taylor. I don’t believe he made that comment before the game, but I could be wrong.

And he said something along the lines it would be a long night if the defense continued to not stop the run and if the offense continued to be anemic.


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