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[MNIrishman]

Hey all,

I wanted to create a thread in which I could post links to interesting discussions going on in r/CFB at Reddit. I came across one today discussing the playoff doomsday scenario: Baylor, Auburn, Michigan State, Clemson, and Stanford finish the season as 1-loss conference champions. Notre Dame has 1 loss, and Cincinatti and Boise State are undefeated but ranked #7 and #8. Who goes to the playoff? : CFB

What are the board's thoughts in this scenario? ND (of freakin course!) and who else?

 

[IrishInFl]

ND and Auburn for sure. After that I'd have to see the SOS of each team. Probably Stanford for a re-match against ND and Baylor.

 

[MNIrishman]

ND and Auburn for sure. After that I'd have to see the SOS of each team. Probably Stanford for a re-match against ND and Baylor.

They posted this to describe SoS:
• Oregon (10-2)
• USC (8-4)
• UCLA (9-4)
• Washington (9-3)
• Arizona State (8-4)
• Florida State (9-3)
• Miami (8-5)
• Louisville (9-3)
• North Carolina State (9-3)
• Wisconsin (9-4)
• Nebraska (8-4)
• Ohio State (9-3)
• Oklahoma (10-2)
• Texas Tech (10-2)
• Kansas State (8-4)
• TCU (9-3)
• Alabama (10-2)
• LSU (10-2)
• Georgia (9-3)
• Florida (10-3)
• South Carolina (9-3)
• Ole Miss (8-4)
• Fresno State (10-2)
• BYU (9-3)

 

[IrishLax]

Did ND beat Stanford? If yes, they go to playoff. If no, they don't.

 

[MNIrishman]

Did ND beat Stanford? If yes, they go to playoff. If no, they don't.

In this scenario, ND loses to the trees but beats everyone else in the toughest schedule in the country. Interestingly, most people on Reddit think that qualifies us for the playoff.

 

[IrishLax]

In this scenario, ND loses to the trees but beats everyone else in the toughest schedule in the country. Interestingly, most people on Reddit think that qualifies us for the playoff.

I doubt it. 9-3 FSU doesn't have nearly the cache of 11-1 FSU.

In this scenario, with the FSU win cheapened and a loss to the PAC12 champ, without question both Auburn and Stanford get in. Stanford has too many biased people in their favor on that committee and SEC #1 is a lock. So then it's pick 2 from Clemson, Baylor, ND, and MSU.

My gut tells me Baylor and ND get left out on account of not playing conference championship games. However, ND could easily supplant Clemson on account of Clemson having no better wins than ND and ND's loss (12-1 PAC12 champ Stanford) being better than Clemson's loss. In this doomsday scenario it's either Auburn, Stanford, MSU, Clemson or Auburn, Stanford, MSU, Notre Dame. Remember, MSU has a beefy OOC schedule playing Oregon.

If this happens, expect the ACC to pitch a fucking fit over ND being a partial member and try to force our hand. Would be crazy. 4 team playoff is going to be horrible. Needs to be 8 teams or 2.

 

[stlnd01]

Kind of a silly question without knowing who and when the wins/losses are (Did we beat FSU? Did Clemson? Who beat MSU? Who beat Auburn?)
But on paper and looking at that SOS, it feels like Auburn, Stanford, ND and Baylor would have the best arguments.

 

[Black Irish]

Kind of a silly question without knowing who and when the wins/losses are (Did we beat FSU? Did Clemson? Who beat MSU? Who beat Auburn?)
But on paper and looking at that SOS, it feels like Auburn, Stanford, ND and Baylor would have the best arguments.

In this scenario, the head coach of each team is given five minutes to plead his team's case in front of the committee. The question is, should Coach Kelly take the folksy demeanor of Jimmy Stewart in "Anatomy of a Murder" the noble morality of Gregory Peck in "To Kill A Mockingbird" or the fiery anger at the whole system like Al Pacino in "And Justice For All?" "You're out of order! This whole CFB Playoff Committee is out of order! Attica! Attica!"

 

[ClausentoTate]

I thought all the Stanford-ites on the panel weren't allowed to vote for Stanford? Or was that stipulation dropped?

 

[gkIrish]

I'm all for hypotheticals but why is Clemson the ACC champ in this scenario? Couldn't FSU lose to ND and beat everyone else to win the ACC outright. In that case the 4 teams (assuming ND's only loss is to Stanford) should be

Auburn
Stanford
Florida St.
Notre Dame

No doubt.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm all for hypotheticals but why is Clemson the ACC champ in this scenario? Couldn't FSU lose to ND and beat everyone else to win the ACC outright. In that case the 4 teams (assuming ND's only loss is to Stanford) should be

Auburn
Stanford
Florida St.
Notre Dame

No doubt.

Yeah but that's not the scenario. The scenario is the doomsday scenario described above, where FSU loses 3 games. Can't change the parameters of the hypothetical.

 

[gkIrish]

Yeah but that's not the scenario. The scenario is the doomsday scenario described above, where FSU loses 3 games. Can't change the parameters of the hypothetical.

I guess I'm confused why a 1-loss Clemson team (who presumably beats FSU) is any more of a doomsday than 1-loss FSU.

If the point of the hypothetical is to create the biggest clusterfuck, FSU (with loss to ND) makes the entire situation more complicated than a 1-loss Clemson.

 

[Black Irish]

I guess I'm confused why a 1-loss Clemson team (who presumably beats FSU) is any more of a doomsday than 1-loss FSU.

If the point of the hypothetical is to create the biggest clusterfuck, FSU (with loss to ND) makes the entire situation more complicated than a 1-loss Clemson.

Would it have to do with pre-season rankings? It shouldn't be SOS; I'm guessing that 2 ACC teams would have similar SOS. I guess what would make it a clusterf*ck would be the consensus pre-season #1 going 9-3.

 

[NDJimmy]

ND: 1 loss against what looks like a very difficult schedule
Auburn: Perceived toughest conference
Stanford: Perceived 2nd toughest conference
Baylor: Perceived 3rd toughest conference

8 team playoff will eventually make this easier

 

[JTLA]

What is the point of this ludicrous crack pipe scenario? There is no way on freakin' Earth FSU is losing three games.

They are favored over ND by 22... and... over Ok St by 17, Clemson by 19.5, @Louisville by 17, @Miami by 17.5, and @Florida by 18.5.

Those are the tough games! They host Citadel, Virginia and Wake Forest. I'd expect no line or 70+ on the Citadel game and lines north of 49 for the two conference door mats.

I've never seen a team more favored to win all it's games.

Their over/under is 11.5
They are -265 to make the playoff

Just a reminder of their 2013 scores.

Date Vs Score Week FSU Line O/U
Saturday 12/07/13 vs Duke W 45-7 Week 15 W -30 U 66
Saturday 11/30/13 @ Florida W 37-7 Week 14 W -28 U 50.5
Saturday 11/23/13 Idaho W 80-14 Week 13 W -58.5 O 70
Saturday 11/16/13 Syracuse W 59-3 Week 12 W -37.5 O 59
Saturday 11/09/13 @ Wake Forest W 59-3 Week 11 W -34 O 56
Saturday 11/02/13 Miami W 41-14 Week 10 W -21 U 64
Saturday 10/26/13 North Carolina State W 49-17 Week 9 L -34 O 59
Saturday 10/19/13 @ Clemson W 51-14 Week 8 W -5 O 63
Saturday 10/05/13 Maryland W 63-0 Week 6 W -17 O 57
Saturday 09/28/13 @ Boston College W 48-34 Week 5 L -23.5 O 53.5
Saturday 09/21/13 Bethune Cookman W 54-6 Week 4 W -40 O 55.5
Saturday 09/14/13 Nevada W 62-7 Week 3 W -35.5 O 61.5
Monday 09/02/13 @ Pittsburgh W 41-13 Week 1 W -11.5 O 47

 

[MNIrishman]

What is the point of this ludicrous crack pipe scenario? There is no way on freakin' Earth FSU is losing three games.

They are favored over ND by 22... and... over Ok St by 17, Clemson by 19.5, @Louisville by 17, @Miami by 17.5, and @Florida by 18.5.

Those are the tough games! They host Citadel, Virginia and Wake Forest. I'd expect no line or 70+ on the Citadel game and lines north of 49 for the two conference door mats.

I've never seen a team more favored to win all it's games.

Their over/under is 11.5
They are -265 to make the playoff

Just a reminder of their 2013 scores.

Date Vs Score Week FSU Line O/U
Saturday 12/07/13 vs Duke W 45-7 Week 15 W -30 U 66
Saturday 11/30/13 @ Florida W 37-7 Week 14 W -28 U 50.5
Saturday 11/23/13 Idaho W 80-14 Week 13 W -58.5 O 70
Saturday 11/16/13 Syracuse W 59-3 Week 12 W -37.5 O 59
Saturday 11/09/13 @ Wake Forest W 59-3 Week 11 W -34 O 56
Saturday 11/02/13 Miami W 41-14 Week 10 W -21 U 64
Saturday 10/26/13 North Carolina State W 49-17 Week 9 L -34 O 59
Saturday 10/19/13 @ Clemson W 51-14 Week 8 W -5 O 63
Saturday 10/05/13 Maryland W 63-0 Week 6 W -17 O 57
Saturday 09/28/13 @ Boston College W 48-34 Week 5 L -23.5 O 53.5
Saturday 09/21/13 Bethune Cookman W 54-6 Week 4 W -40 O 55.5
Saturday 09/14/13 Nevada W 62-7 Week 3 W -35.5 O 61.5
Monday 09/02/13 @ Pittsburgh W 41-13 Week 1 W -11.5 O 47

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the point of the scenario is 'offseason.'

 

[RDU Irish]

FSU's toughest opponent in hindsight might have been Duke last year. Miami and Florida both should be better this year. ND and OKST for non-conference is a huge upgrade in SOS and Louisville upgrades their conference schedule. I don't see them losing three either, but that schedule is infinitely harder than last years.

 

[MNIrishman]

Today's our day to have a major Reddit thread discussing the upcoming season. Mostly pretty level-headed, surprisingly: 25 Days and Counting: #17 Notre Dame - What's your opinion of them? : CFB

 

[MNIrishman]

How each top 25 team got its nickname: How Every School in the Preseason Top 25 Got Its Nickname : CFB

We're apparently not the only team who earned its nickname through negative press coverage.

 

[MNIrishman]

Reddit's take on BK explaining how Jacksonville State (or other FCS games) should not count as wins: Brian Kelly: "...We play real teams. And we play real teams every single week." : CFB

 

[GATTACA!]

Reddit's take on BK explaining how Jacksonville State (or other FCS games) should not count as wins: Brian Kelly: "...We play real teams. And we play real teams every single week." : CFB

I wish Kelly would have added another FCS team instead of just Jax St because that thread is just a bunch of defensive MSU fans.

 

[dublinirish]

I wish Kelly would have added another FCS team instead of just Jax St because that thread is just a bunch of defensive MSU fans.

i raised MSU's scheduling of Jax St before and were told by MSU fans that they were a better team than Syracuse, Navy, Rice and UNC. :/

 

[MNIrishman]

People need to realize that FCS are literally never the same as FBS teams. How many four and five star athletes were busting our asses for UNC? Northwestern has occasionally made noise in the B1G recently. Navy routinely takes their toughest non-ND opponent (Ohio state, SCar) down to the wire. Hell, we've lost recruits to half these cupcakes. How often do you hear that about FCS schools? Whole different ball game.

Though the Bama fan who said that the NC shouldn't count because they only had to play for two quarters hurt me right in the feels...