PSU Administrators To Stand Trial

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Judge: 3 Penn State Ex-Officials to Stand Trial


Didn't see a court date.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Very glad. I hope they go to jail for a very long time and may Joe Paterno rot in hell.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

All are probably more responsible than the scapegoat JoePa. May he rest not in hell, but in peace.

 

[woolybug25]

All are probably more responsible than the scapegoat JoePa. May he rest not in hell, but in peace.

So the $hit tons of physical evidence showing that JoePa looked the other when notified of allegations wasn't enough for you? Or do just think that there is some type of conspiracy?

Give me a break...

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

All are probably more responsible than the scapegoat JoePa. May he rest not in hell, but in peace.

He was told about the rape of a child and still allowed the guy access to the football facilities. He was more concerned about the image of the football program.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

No, I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. Not in any shape or form. What I do think is that if you knew someone and considered them a friend for decades it would be hard to believe they were a molester. I also think Joe Pa passed info on to his superiors, including head of campus security/police. In my thinking Sandusky is obviously most responsible. Next, in line is certainly McQueary. I can't think of any man who is a fit man of young age that would watch a senior rape a child and not physically intervene much less merely bring the info to their coach the next day. After, Sandusky and McQueary comes the individuals Joe Pa reported it to. So even if you think the worst of Joe Pa he's down the chain of responsibility. Combine that with the fact that I think it would be hard to believe that someone you have known and been close to for decades was the worst mankind had to offer and you pass it on to people who should investigate the matter and they do nothing that Paterno has lesser responsibility than others involved. Add to it that Paterno always conducted himself well and tried to represent what was right in college football it seems unreasonable to me to automatically believe the worst about a man who by all other accounts seems a very good man. But hey thats just me.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I know Judge Wenner very well. Very please with his decision.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

The way I view it is that there are no levels of responsibility. ANYBODY who knew, or was told that there may be sexual misconduct involving children are equally guilty.

 

[woolybug25]

No, I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. Not in any shape or form. What I do think is that if you knew someone and considered them a friend for decades it would be hard to believe they were a molester. I also think Joe Pa passed info on to his superiors, including head of campus security/police. In my thinking Sandusky is obviously most responsible. Next, in line is certainly McQueary. I can't think of any man who is a fit man of young age that would watch a senior rape a child and not physically intervene much less merely bring the info to their coach the next day. After, Sandusky and McQueary comes the individuals Joe Pa reported it to. So even if you think the worst of Joe Pa he's down the chain of responsibility. Combine that with the fact that I think it would be hard to believe that someone you have known and been close to for decades was the worst mankind had to offer and you pass it on to people who should investigate the matter and they do nothing that Paterno has lesser responsibility than others involved. Add to it that Paterno always conducted himself well and tried to represent what was right in college football it seems unreasonable to me to automatically believe the worst about a man who by all other accounts seems a very good man. But hey thats just me.

I don't care if the guy that's being reported is my brother, I'm still not letting him bring children and be unattended under my watch after someone told me they physically saw him molesting a child. Whether I believe it or not, I have a moral obligation to put reasonable safeguards in place for the children I am allowing to be under the roof I manage. Then I certainly wouldn't have written the emails disregarding it that JoePa did. Finally, if JoPa was such good friends with Sandusky, how did he not ever get a bad feeling about a guy that turns out being a serial child molester? He did, that's how. He simply looked the other way and there is a massive amount of evidence that he knew, chose not to pursue and even tried to get others to do the same.

You are being an apologist, sir.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

I don't care if the guy that's being reported is my brother, I'm still not letting him bring children and be unattended under my watch after someone told me they physically saw him molesting a child. Whether I believe it or not, I have a moral obligation to put reasonable safeguards in place for the children I am allowing to be under the roof I manage. Then I certainly wouldn't have written the emails disregarding it that JoePa did. Finally, if JoPa was such good friends with Sandusky, how did he not ever get a bad feeling about a guy that turns out being a serial child molester? He did, that's how. He simply looked the other way and there is a massive amount of evidence that he knew, chose not to pursue and even tried to get others to do the same.

You are being an apologist, sir.

I do agree with the bolded. I am not arguing Paterno was without fault or perfect in the matter. What I am saying is that I am not going to automatically believe the worst about a man that imo had always represented himself well and put integrity before winning. I think it's easy to say what someone would have done in retrospect, but if someone I hardly knew told me my friend of decades was a molester I would find it very difficult to believe. I agree with you that Paterno should have exiled Sandusky. But, I also think Paterno acted more appropriately than McQueary or the administration and that when someone has been a good man by every other account I am not forgiving their mistakes, but I am willing to think about why they did what they did. Perhaps I am biased because I always though Paterno represented the good in college football, but I think others are too willing to brand him as an evil man willing to allow children to be molested in order to preserve the PSU program. In my belief it is more complicated than that. I may forgive a lot of wrongs but child molestation is the lowest of the low, nothing in humanity is probably worse than being a molester, I just find it difficult to believe Paterno was complicit in these actions.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

McQueary testified yesterday that Paterno would tell him that Sandusky was sick. Hardly sounds like the person who was so left in the dark as the apologists would like to make him out to be.

 

[woolybug25]

I do agree with the bolded. I am not arguing Paterno was without fault or perfect in the matter. What I am saying is that I am not going to automatically believe the worst about a man that imo had always represented himself well and put integrity before winning. I think it's easy to say what someone would have done in retrospect, but if someone I hardly knew told me my friend of decades was a molester I would find it very difficult to believe. I agree with you that Paterno should have exiled Sandusky. But, I also think Paterno acted more appropriately than McQueary or the administration and that when someone has been a good man by every other account I am not forgiving their mistakes, but I am willing to think about why they did what they did. Perhaps I am biased because I always though Paterno represented the good in college football, but I think others are too willing to brand him as an evil man willing to allow children to be molested in order to preserve the PSU program. In my belief it is more complicated than that. I may forgive a lot of wrongs but child molestation is the lowest of the low, nothing in humanity is probably worse than being a molester, I just find it difficult to believe Paterno was complicit in these actions.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if he believed, it does matter that he disregarded it. So much so, that he knowingly allowed him to be unattended with children on the campus after allegations.

If you think that someone that did the above deserves any amount of peace, then we simply will not agree on this. You seem to be trying to justify JoPa's actions simply because you think others are more at fault. That does not change the actions of JoPa. Which were, by all means, morally irrehensible.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

McQueary testified yesterday that Paterno would tell him that Sandusky was sick. Hardly sounds like the person who was so left in the dark as the apologists would like to make him out to be.

McQueary is definitely next in line for responsibility after Sandusky. Why believe what he says? Maybe I am wrong about Paterno, but McQueary is a weak, pathetic soul that deserves no trust or sympathy from anyone.

 

[woolybug25]

McQueary is definitely next in line for responsibility after Sandusky. Why believe what he says? Maybe I am wrong about Paterno, but McQueary is a weak, pathetic soul that deserves no trust or sympathy from anyone.

Seriously... Have you read the Sandusky Report? I don't believe that you have.

McQueary is certainly a coward, but at least he came forward. At least he was willing to testify. Did he do enough? Absolutely not. But at least he didn't try to cover it up with lies until the day he died like JoPa.

Seriously... Go read the report.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

McQueary is definitely next in line for responsibility after Sandusky. Why believe what he says? Maybe I am wrong about Paterno, but McQueary is a weak, pathetic soul that deserves no trust or sympathy from anyone.

So, everybody is a liar and guilty EXCEPT Paterno? All these people knew about the rape of a child in the football facilities BUT NOT THE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH? Wow.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Glad to see this. And yes, Jo Pa was equally responsible. And McQueary too. He did come forward and report it, but he was the one who actually saw it and still continued for a long period of time knowing what had happened and knowing nothing was done. I hope at some point in time he is also held responsible as his lack of actions is in line with everyone else. As far as I'm concerned they should all be considered accessories to any crime that was committed after they initially known.

 

[pkt77242]

All are probably more responsible than the scapegoat JoePa. May he rest not in hell, but in peace.

Wait Manning is a Hero for leaking classified documents and JoePa is a scapegoat? What alternate universe do you live in?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Mannin is a separate issue. I think people are misunderstanding me a little in Paterno. What I am saying is he not as responsible as others. Im not saying he did the right thing at every turn. I think je made mistakes. I domt think they were made in an effort to protect the program but am willin to say I may be wrong. I will admit O have not read the PSU report. I dont think Freeh is necesarrily the worlds best source but think the report as a whole is probably credible. Based o Wolly's suggestion I will read the report when I have some time before further comment. I do stand by McQueary being a coward and next worst character after Sandusky homself who is an evil waste of life. Again though Manning is a completely different issue and one I am informed on and will defend whole heartedly.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Mannin is a separate issue. I think people are misunderstanding me a little in Paterno. What I am saying is he not as responsible as others. Im not saying he did the right thing at every turn. I think je made mistakes. I domt think they were made in an effort to protect the program but am willin to say I may be wrong. I will admit O have not read the PSU report. I dont think Freeh is necesarrily the worlds best source but think the report as a whole is probably credible. Based o Wolly's suggestion I will read the report when I have some time before further comment. I do stand by McQueary being a coward and next worst character after Sandusky homself who is an evil waste of life. Again though Manning is a completely different issue and one I am informed on and will defend whole heartedly.

Paterno may not have done the molesting, but he was aware that it occurred in the football facilities. And for at least ten years, he allowed Sandusky access to the football facilities. It was criminal that he knew, and did NOTHING because he cared more about his image and the image of his program. I hope Joe Paterno rots in hell for his involvement and not protecting children from a predator.

 

[RyCo1983]

Paterno may not have done the molesting, but he was aware that it occurred in the football facilities. And for at least ten years, he allowed Sandusky access to the football facilities. It was criminal that he knew, and did NOTHING because he cared more about his image and the image of his program. I hope Joe Paterno rots in hell for his involvement and not protecting children from a predator.

This

If there is a hell, he's experiencing it.

 

[CHIDomer9]

I also think Joe Pa passed info on to his superiors, including head of campus security/police..

These superiors? Penn State trustees take immediate step that Joe Paterno should have - Washington Post

For decades, Paterno wielded the authority to make that call. With a Division I-record 409 victories and two national championships, he was the ultimate authority on campus. Once, when school officials asked him to retire, Paterno laughed and kept doing his thing. He had that type of juice.

They went and sat in his house and asked him if he would please retire. You tell me, who is the superior in this relationship?

 

[ulukinatme]

I find it sad that Penn State cultists are calling yesterday a tragedy.

Wait, nevermind...it's Judge William Wenner. I don't think that makes it better.

'Tragic day': Judge orders three former Penn State officials to stand trial - U.S. News

 

[kmoose]

So the $hit tons of physical evidence showing that JoePa looked the other when notified of allegations wasn't enough for you? Or do just think that there is some type of conspiracy?

Give me a break...

The $hit tons of physical evidence that he looked the other way?

You mean like the meeting he had, with the Vice President of the University(who also happened to be the Chief of Police for the University), in which he disclosed the allegations against Sandusky?

 

[GoIrish41]

The $hit tons of physical evidence that he looked the other way?

You mean like the meeting he had, with the Vice President of the University(who also happened to be the Chief of Police for the University), in which he disclosed the allegations against Sandusky?

This. Could Paterno have done more? Yes. Should he have done more? Certainly. But, he did report the incident to authorities.

 

[woolybug25]

The $hit tons of physical evidence that he looked the other way?

You mean like the meeting he had, with the Vice President of the University(who also happened to be the Chief of Police for the University), in which he disclosed the allegations against Sandusky?

Give me a break. If your coworker comes over to you today and tells you that another employee is molesting kids in the building, do you feel your moral responsibility stops at simply telling your boss? Also, PATERNO WAS THE BOSS. The vice prez at PSU didn't even have the power to fire Paterno until this came up.

Curley also specifically talked with about it with Joe per his emails,

After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation

It also took Paterno several days to contact the VP. SEVERAL DAYS. He could have called child protection services, he could have talked to police, he could have kept Sandusky off of the campus (instead of allowing him to continue bringing children to campus) he could have done something!

You guys are freaking blind if you think that Paterno didn't do anything wrong when he knew that Sandusky was still on campus and bringing kids there. He never even followed up to see what happened when he reported child molestation!

Delusional... the lot of ya.

 

[woolybug25]

This. Could Paterno have done more? Yes. Should he have done more? Certainly. But, he did report the incident to authorities.

So did McQueary. One big difference is that Paterno had the power to keep Sandusky off of the campus, which he did not.

 

[kmoose]

Give me a break. If your coworker comes over to you today and tells you that another employee is molesting kids in the building, do you feel your moral responsibility stops at simply telling your boss? Also, PATERNO WAS THE BOSS. The vice prez at PSU didn't even have the power to fire Paterno until this came up.

Curley also specifically talked with about it with Joe per his emails,



It also took Paterno several days to contact the VP. SEVERAL DAYS. He could have called child protection services, he could have talked to police, he could have kept Sandusky off of the campus (instead of allowing him to continue bringing children to campus) he could have done something!

You guys are freaking blind if you think that Paterno didn't do anything wrong when he knew that Sandusky was still on campus and bringing kids there. He never even followed up to see what happened when he reported child molestation!

Delusional... the lot of ya.

Spare me the outrage. You said that Paterno looked the other way. He didn't. He reported the allegations to the proper authorities. I don't think anyone will defend him for having done everything possible to stop Sandusky, but to say that he looked the other way is just NOT true, no matter how outraged you are.

 

[woolybug25]

Spare me the outrage. You said that Paterno looked the other way. He didn't. He reported the allegations to the proper authorities. I don't think anyone will defend him for having done everything possible to stop Sandusky, but to say that he looked the other way is just NOT true, no matter how outraged you are.

Spare me the niavete. He didn't report it to the proper authorities because the proper authorities would have been child protection services or the police department. Not some VP that has less power than himself.

And how is not looking into what came of his report of child molestation not looking the other way? How is allowing Sandusky to continue bringing children into the building not looking the other way?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

The VP was not the “ head of security." He had no arrest powers. Was there a call to campus police and a report filed? No. It was a cover-up plain and simple and Joe was part of it.

 

[GoIrish41]

So did McQueary. One big difference is that Paterno had the power to keep Sandusky off of the campus, which he did not.

As part of Sandusky's separation contract with Penn State, he was granted access to the campus like any other Faculty Emeritus. Paterno may have had immense power and influence at Penn State, but he didn't have unchecked power. For example, he didn't have the power to void that clause in Sandusky's contract. If the suggestion is that Paterno twisted the arms campus leadership to extend some special priveledge to Sandusky, I'd have to see some evidence of that. I, like you and almost everyone else, find it appauling that Sandusky was given access to the university following his "retirement" from the coaching staff, but I don't think that that can be pinned on Paterno.