Pot vs. Alcohol

[Irish Insanity]

Thoughts?

Legalize pot or not?

 

[Junkhead]

I cast NDOM's vote for legalizing it.

 

[johnnykillz]

There's a lot of caveats to legalization of Mary Jane. Most of these involve the revenue and taxation issues; Nothing has to do with the effects of the sticky icky, as it has been present and passed around our society for decades...

Alcohol or Mary Jane?

Hmmm.

Tough one. Currently I vote for partaking of the legal one: Beer.

-But-

Nevermind.

 

[bert2834]

No field sobriety test and too easy to grow on your own(no way for the government to get it's money).

Will never be legalized, should be but won't.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Weed is way better than alcohol. Weed is awesome.

 

[BeauBenken]

Legalize it. Period. I seriously can't believe that out of all the stoners in Cali that not enough managed to vote for Prop H or whatever it was...

 

[bert2834]

Legalize it. Period. I seriously can't believe that out of all the stoners in Cali that not enough managed to vote for Prop H or whatever it was...

I would say they meant to but forgot!

 

[IrishInColumbus]

I am completely for the legalization of marijuana, and I think people who are against it are uptight prudes.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I am completely for the legalization of marijuana, and I think people who are against it are uptight prudes.

This prude is against it LOL and forever will be. Seen too many kids in use it as a gateway drug, so I just can't be down with it. Sorry fellas.

And I prefer alcohol to weed by a country mile...

 

[Irish Insanity]

Gonna have to vote for alcohol. I have never smoked week. And well, can't back it unless I tried it. As far as legalization, I stand in the middle. In Michigan here you can get what is called a 'green' card for medical purposes. This allows you to use and carry a small amount. I believe it also allows you to grow a small number of plants. I know quite a few that have the 'green' card who shouldn't. Just gotta have the right doctor. I've also seen pot destroy more than one of my family members. But sometimes I think legalizing it fully and sooner may have saved a couple of 'em. Still I'm on the fence. I believe legalizing it would provide positive and negative results.

 

[choo choo]

well hell i like em both...and together if possible...but i can see both sides...my only problem with making it legal is what if it does become a problem, then its too difficult to reverse just like they tried to do with alcohol...and its kinda fun to not get busted

 

[choo choo]

I would say they meant to but forgot!

lol...f'n awesome

 

[choo choo]

speakin of smokin weed and drinkin some beers at the same time, did anyone else watch the predators whoop up some *** on the ducks last night? sure i know there are not many preds fans on here, but surely someone is happy they won...just dont call me shirley

 

[D-BOE34]

A matter that will never be agreed on ... PERIOD. I can tell you now that I am young, done both (or all 3 if you think booze, weed and medical "CALI" weed). Every single one of the "3" have been a bad idea as far as bee bopping around. I am the guy that thinks I'm untouchable. I can go to my bar 3 nights a week, get a damn good, well beyond the legal limit buzz, drive home and think I am perfect. Have I, still time to time, made a poor decision? YES! Give me the chance to take one damn good hit to a pipe loaded with some "CALI GREAT" (Med Mary Jane) and I shouldn't be behind even a big wheel!
I have actually experienced both the good and the bad (reality) to driving under the influence. You are correct on wondering why I would still make such a poor choice on, at a random moment, thinking I am "ok" to drive after clearly knowing I'm not. Well, that is a life choice I continue to deal with.

Neither here or there, I am against it. Tax it, cut it, regulate it, control it, ban it .... I don't care how you look at it .... not a good idea. I would be an example that would say if it is legal I would most likely do it. Knowing damn well it would not be for best! I would go far enough to say most of you probably don't expect someone to come straight out and admit to having a problem with going a bit (sometimes a lot) over board yet still drive under the influence.

YOU, may or may not have ever been one of the people that gets what I call SUPERMAN syndrome when you get a buzz from whatever it is you are on. I am. I have several friends, sadly to say, that have blown my mind with some of the **** they have put in their bodies yet you would never know if they never admitted it.

On a serious note, I have lost my Uncle, brother and mother to alcohol. 2 of the 3 involved driving under the influence. Also, 2 of the 3 allowed them to bring themselves to a mental stability that was equal to zero and commit.

Do I think I am why it is wrong? NO. I am just one person. Directly involved with some very bad situations, do I make the best decisions? NO. What I do know is that I have been around a lot of people that continue to feel invisible to circumstances and I feel like they are NOT harmful to the fellow public. Thank God I know that what I do, and what the people I witness around me, do is wrong as well. We are not invisible. Whether we think we are "good" or not, we are risking others lives.

You are correct! Why are you saying this yet you risk the lives of others every once in a while? Because I have made bad decisions. I am happy to say it has been a long time since I have done that but I can also say the same for several of my friends since my mothers passing. Wake up call? YES! As I said, I am still very young. Yet, I am very happy that not just I have learned but all of my friends have learned. We all have made bad choices. It is a matter of if you learn from them.

We could make very good strides money wise with legalizing "POT" but I think we would make very big strides backwards to the safety of the public if we do so. That is just me. Some will agree and some will disagree. I am fine with that. You won't please everyone but if you can please just one ... it may make the change you never saw coming.

This is a subject that can be argued by both sides very strongly. I just have MY side. I do not judge anyone on the side they will pick to battle. All I say is in any subject you contradict, bring the truth to the forefront.

WE ARE ND!!!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I am perfectly fine driving under the influence of marijuana so that's never been a problem for me. It's one of the biggest reasons on why I prefer marijuana. I can still drive and not put other people in danger if I want to go somewhere.

 

[InKellyITrust]

I've never touched weed. Keep it illegal.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I am perfectly fine driving under the influence of marijuana so that's never been a problem for me. It's one of the biggest reasons on why I prefer marijuana. I can still drive and not put other people in danger if I want to go somewhere.

This post must be a joke. Title2012, tell us you are joking. Otherwise, (REDACTED) before you harm yourself and someone else's babe.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I am perfectly fine driving under the influence of marijuana so that's never been a problem for me. It's one of the biggest reasons on why I prefer marijuana. I can still drive and not put other people in danger if I want to go somewhere.

Yeah, because weed doesn't alter your mind whatsoever. Dude, you need a reality check, and I hope it's not in the form of an innocent family killed while you're driving impaired.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Yeah, because weed doesn't alter your mind whatsoever. Dude, you need a reality check, and I hope it's not in the form of an innocent family killed while you're driving impaired.

okay Boss. You edited my post. I used the word f.uck. (I sent a private message to NDinLA granting him a full green light to edit me whenever he felt appropriate. He knows a thing or two about my situation. It sucks to be the only four footed reindeer on a website...)

If one causes an accident or gets pulled over while on weed, you are under an influence.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Neutered and LA: robot still won't let me rep everybody I want to, but publicly "reps".

I cannot choose other peoples' moralities, but I taught "brain chemistry" and the effects of drugs of many sorts on the brain's major three neurotransmitters for years. Things like THC and nicotine and ethanol operate as depressants on certain brain areas [not all, and not all the same] resulting in reduction of signaling in critical areas. Translated onto the human scale, this tends in most people to lessen total "nervousness", if you want to put it that way.

As the brain is dumbed down in key responses in the Thalamus, the bombardment-reduction/filter center, some people can get some relief from the level of anxiety that they have in their lives and "relax". [This can even be from a kind of social-awkwardness they have, which benefits from "relaxing".] The pace and stress of modern American life makes this resultant desirable, even though the consumers don't know the mechanism as to why they get the result. This pace-of-life or loaded stress in the USA is why it is the "depressants" are the overwhelming drugs of choice statistically. Note that other things such as Heroin et al are the extreme end of this "bringing it down" phenomenon. [It is true that youngsters like to take spectacular "excitor" drugs to "have a blast", but this state is usually not constantly sought as general life is fast enough].

There are many other resultants from regular drug use of the "social depressants" but if one wants to "indulge" one should at least clearly understand what's happening and not fantasize about it. For example, tests of guys on pot knocked over just as many traffic cones as the guys high on ethanol [they just were more laid back about doing so].

One thing that older pot smokers should also not fantasize about. Everyone knows that nicotine is a venal constrictor and that you should not smoke if you have coronary artery problems due to risk of bringing on a stroke. Tetrahydrocannabinol is a many times greater venal constrictor than nicotine. Stop smoking it at least once you get that sort of situation or you won't be around as long for the people who love you.

Youngsters will of course go for the pleasure without thought of the pain --- they are, afterall, supermen who are "different" from everyone else. At least they should do us all a favor and learn whatthehell the real situation is and let someone else drive home.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Sir, amazing coincidence. Aren't all coincidences amazing? I will send you a private message.

 

[ACamp1900]

Weed is worse because you don't see a lot of drinkers going around pretending alcohol does nothing to them or that it is in fact good for you... that, and all the reasons omm, ndinla, and nd and others stated...

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Legalize or not legalize? Ironically the Temperance Movement and the Volstead Act forever imposed a difference between the legalization of weed and the legalization of alcohol. Because alcohol was abolished by the 18th amendment and reestablished as legal with the 21st amendment, it would take another amendment to make it illegal. Not so with marijuana, it only requires a simple law to ban it. Though, I know many support the legalization of marijuana, I do not think it approaches the numbers required to demand and amendment to the Constitution. Though many are opposed to drinking alcohol, again I do not see enough people in support of another amendment banning it. So even though people will always compare and contrast the two, they are miles apart as to why one is legal and the other illegal. Since I use neither, I will leave it for you guys to debate the issue.

 

[IrishInFl]

I've never touched weed. Keep it illegal.

Neither have I, but I'm for legalizing weed.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

We spend something like $40 bill annually on the Drug War. We would gain an estimated $7 billion in taxes from taxing it.

I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana and in the process reducing the War on Drugs budget to $10 billion, mainly for rehabilitation for hard drugs.

No one has ever overdosed on marijuana, and the connection to cancer and bodily harm is pretty sketchy, and yet we live in a country where alcohol and tobacco (which kills plenty of people annually) are all the rave. It's lobbyists from the companies who already control the "vice market," forestry, etc, who want to keep marijuana illegal and it's mind-boggling.

 

[BeauBenken]

We spend something like $40 bill annually on the Drug War. We would gain an estimated $7 billion in taxes from taxing it.

I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana and in the process reducing the War on Drugs budget to $10 billion, mainly for rehabilitation for hard drugs.

No one has every overdosed on marijuana, and the connection to cancer and bodily harm is pretty sketchy, and yet we live in a country where alcohol and tobacco (which kills plenty of people annually) are all the rave. It's lobbyists from the companies who already control the "vice market," forestry, etc, who want to keep marijuana illegal and it's mind-boggling.

That'd be because it is impossible...

 

[BeauBenken]

And guys I don't think you should necessarily attack Title2012 for what he said. I had an alcoholic father who drank 24/7 yet his driving was still pretty dang good. I don't condone it (AT ALL), but maybe it doesn't impair his ability to drive. (Let's hope it doesn't so he doesn't get someone killed.)

That all being said, I think we would need to find a breathalyzer type thing specifically for marijuana to make sure that when it was legalized we didn't have a ridiculous amount of impaired drivers.

(And the way marijuana impairs you is that it slows down your reaction time, so Title2012, you may not think it affects your driving yet, but that's because it's not a blatant impairment like when you drink.)

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Why do we need a "breathalyzer" for marijuana? We don't have it and marijuana is already prevalent. What about cocaine, heroin, etc? It's not like people don't do them and drive anyway.

EVERYONE knows they could get marijuana in a 30 minutes if they really want it. Yet we continue to throw everyone in jail (which is quite expensive) for a fairly harmless drug.

Are there potheads who are wastes? Yes, absolutely. But there is no evidence either way on whether they're just losers and would be sniffing glue or something if they didn't have marijuana. Also, only 12% of marijuana smokers are daily ones.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I am actually indifferent to legalizing or not, since it is not nor has ever been a part of my life. At this point, I kinda think pot would help me with some physical damage I am trying to heal. I gave up on pill medication since they made me throw up everyday.

I did not mean anything personal against Title2012. I really did think he was joking. Drugs? Whatever. The danger is when you drive and put yourself and others at risk.

A few weeks after I came to Cali, my beautiful lady and I were relaxing one evening in the living room reading. I think she was reading about neurotransmitters as the arrival of an action potential at the synapse, and graded electrical potentials.

I was reading the comics and trying a Sudoku puzzle.

We heard a loud BANG and looked at each other, then continued with our silent activity. Turns out over one mile away, some guy was driving impaired, jumped the median, and flew head on to an oncoming car, killing immediately a young mother and son who were coming back from a church service.

All these years later, the tire marks on the median are still there as a reminder.

 

[TinyT]

okay Boss. You edited my post. I used the word f.uck. (I sent a private message to NDinLA granting him a full green light to edit me whenever he felt appropriate. He knows a thing or two about my situation. It sucks to be the only four footed reindeer on a website...)

If one causes an accident or gets pulled over while on weed, you are under an influence.

Is there a three footed reindeer on this site? And I thought your kind had hooves.