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Master Guns

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Charlie made some critical errors in coaching today i.e. non field goal attempts. However, the offense did score 28 points. I wonder if this is the first time CB coached against a triple opt. it appeared that there was some half time adjustments to take away the option. But, ND was getting killed up the middle. However, no adjustments were made or even attempted.

CW coached against Navy last year and they used the Triple Option (that is their O). Once again he made plan calls and got out coached, plain and simple.

Not sure if Corwin Brown is all he is cracked up to be either. Two weeks to prepare and that is all you can muster up????? No consistant play at all on the D.

Someone can have my glass of cool-aid.
 

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I was never one to doubt Charlie until today. I thought not kicking the field goal in the 1st quarter was a bad idea. But when he went for it in the 4th quarter i left the game in protest. WHO IN THE :censored: MAKES THAT CALL?????? I reall dont know how to feel right now....other than sorry for the players

I refuse to drink the cool-aid any longer as I have had my friggin fill. Rock has to be rolling-overin his grave about now.

We may have another Gerry Faust on our hands. Can't beat Navy???? give me a friggin break already.
 

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I refuse to drink the cool-aid any longer as I have had my friggin fill. Rock has to be rolling-overin his grave about now.

We may have another Gerry Faust on our hands. Can't beat Navy???? give me a friggin break already.

Careful what you say around here. You might get a warning for giving your opinion. just a heads up. thats how things work around here.
 

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No Excuses???

No Excuses???

I was in Books-a-Million last night with my wife, who is in the Navy and could not stop ragging on me, and I came across CW's book "No Excuses". I read the back cover and almost threw the damn book across the store.

By the way, Navy cancelled classes tomorrow to celebrate. CW and crew should be outright embarassed.

Last night had nothing to do with ND being so young, it came down to the head coach, he lost the game for ND.

No more cool-aid for me boys, I have had my fill!
 

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I was in Books-a-Million last night with my wife, who is in the Navy and could not stop ragging on me, and I came across CW's book "No Excuses". I read the back cover and almost threw the damn book across the store.

By the way, Navy cancelled classes tomorrow to celebrate. CW and crew should be outright embarassed.

Last night had nothing to do with ND being so young, it came down to the head coach, he lost the game for ND.

No more cool-aid for me boys, I have had my fill!

Dont be surprised if this post gets deleted. Mine did.
 

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Even after a half bottle of Absolute and 9 hours of sleep im still pissed about this one.
2 non field goal attempts? Not sure which was the worse call.
Passing 27 times with a mediocre QB when we were runnning well all day?
TT and AS in the backfield on the goaline?
No excuses on this one guys....2 weeks to prepare and it was freaking Navy.
 

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Careful what you say around here. You might get a warning for giving your opinion. just a heads up. thats how things work around here.

Dont be surprised if this post gets deleted. Mine did.

NDOM, if you keep posting things like this, then I don't blame the mods.

Look, we're all frustrated. Some of the posts I keep seeing is "CW sucks" or "is the worst bleep ever". I don't know if that's what you're posting but things like that aren't constructive; it's just venting and collectively 100 posts by all of us like that wouldn't be good. It's not that your opinion is wrong or unimportant, but those types of posts just aren't helpful. We get it and agree, CW messed up this game.

Don't leave the site b/c you feel slighted. Being a ND fan from here out is going to be tough, we need as much support as we all can get. (I hear Cumbaya coming on)
 
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... and I came across CW's book "No Excuses". I read the back cover and almost threw the damn book across the store.

The one thing I will give [NAME REDACTED] credit for is not making excuses this year. It would be nice if some of his worshipers would follow suit.
 

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This could possibly be the single most ridiculous statement I've ever read on here. Our offense came up short against a sieve of a defense. Our defense held one of the most efficient (and #1 rushing) offenses in CFB in check. You don't go into a game against a ball-controlling disciplined triple-option offense and expect to shut them down - it just doesn't happen. You need to win the ball-control battle and out-score them, plain and simple.

Our defense played alright. Great? No. A regression? :krazy:

Right on. The offense DID NOT progress yesterday. The defense played pretty damn well.
 

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Thanks. I felt a little lonely singing alone, especially since I don't know the words.

I'm starting to wonder whether we need to take the attitude of Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, or Northwestern fans in not expecting much, then if we do well or even possibly win we are pleasantly surprised. I don't like the idea that's how low we've gone, but I also don't like the angst I'm feeling on a regular basis.
 

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I'm starting to wonder whether we need to take the attitude of Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, or Northwestern fans in not expecting much, then if we do well or even possibly win we are pleasantly surprised.

Kinda early to be drinking isn't it?
 

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The university was absolutely justified in firing Ty. He was a wild horse from the beginning. They took a chance on a young upcoming coach that didn't pan out. I give the university credit for seeing that early and cutting him loose when they did.

I would agree with you about Ty. Right now, I am really beginning to wonder if CW is the answer. I remember his first year ....he made a statement regarding that the college game is "easier" than the pros....I wonder if he still thinks that?

I would have both him and the AD on a very short leash next year!
 
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The only way this even makes a little bit of sense to me is if I think of it this way. The chances of Sharpley completing that pass are maybe 50%. If Weis thought the chances of Walker making a 40+ yarder are less than that, it makes more sense to get the first down and then have multiple shots at the endzone and winning the game. Walker is only 1/5 from 30+ yards. And the only make, against UCLA, was ugly as sin. Ask him to do that kick again and he probably misses it. That wouldn't increase the probability of Walker making a 41-yarder much in my mind.
 

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The only way this even makes a little bit of sense to me is if I think of it this way. The chances of Sharpley completing that pass are maybe 50%. If Weis thought the chances of Walker making a 40+ yarder are less than that, it makes more sense to get the first down and then have multiple shots at the endzone and winning the game. Walker is only 1/5 from 30+ yards. And the only make, against UCLA, was ugly as sin. Ask him to do that kick again and he probably misses it. That wouldn't increase the probability of Walker making a 41-yarder much in my mind.


If [NAME REDACTED] was doing his job, the game would not have come down to that one play.
 

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I'm beginning to wonder whether CW has become too predictable or whether the opposing defensive coordinators have figured him out. We don't seem to be able to get receivers wide open, nor do we seem to confuse opposing defenses much.

Obviously we scored this game, but they held us on a few occasions, such as the drive following the turnover, the 2nd OT where they held us to a field goal, and the 3d OT drive to end the game. And this wasn't a defense that should have been able to do that.


This was a defense that gave up 59 points to Delaware the previous week.
 

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Pardon me as I stab myself in the eye with a fork.

Pardon me as I stab myself in the eye with a fork.

(Via the Roundup.)

<p align="left">It seems to me that a loss like this one is better left to message board rants (and <a href="http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html#1531766156924579019" target="_blank">hilariously angry blog posts</a> - nice job, Jay) than detailed analyses of the sort I've usually given, but in lieu of another installment of <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/forget-about-it" target="_blank">Simon Smith and his Amazing Dancing Bear</a>, let me just point out four crucial statistics that I think have been somewhat overlooked in the discussions I've been party to so far (both on IE and BGS).</p>
<p align="center"><strong>338</strong></p>
That's the total number of offensive yards that Navy had through four quarters and three overtime periods, their <a href="http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/ranking_summary/2007000000726teamoff.html" target="_blank">second-worst offensive output of the season</a>. At the end of regulation, their rushing total was only 240, a season-worst once again, and a full hundred yards below their average through the first eight games, and their passing total stood at 38: a combined offensive output of 278 yards, their lowest of the year and over 170 yards below their season-long average coming in. Navy's average of 3.9 yards per carry was also a season-worst, and by a considerable margin at that. The Midshipmen had to punt the ball twice yesterday, something that had happened only two other times all season, and they would have had to do it a third time if <strong>Joe Brockington</strong> hadn't been called for a personal foul facemask penalty after a third-down stop on the second Navy possession. Add to that two forced fumbles (only one of which was recovered by the Irish, of course) and two other drives where the Midshipmen were held to a field goal attempt - something that had been accomplished only once in each of their previous two games - and it becomes clear that anyone who wants to blame this loss on <strong>Corwin Brown's</strong> defense has got another thing coming.
<p align="center"><strong>4</strong></p>
That's the total number of sacks yielded by the Irish offense, to a defense that came in with only five sacks in their first EIGHT GAMES. Sorry folks, but all is not well with Notre Dame's offensive line (on which see also "3.7," below).
<p align="center"><strong>27</strong></p>
That's the total number of passes thrown by <strong>Evan Sharpley</strong>, on a windy day when it was clear from the start that he was going to be woefully inaccurate. Add in the four sacks and the four (I think) other times where a pass play was called but Sharpley ended up scrambling for positive yardage, and you end up with what looks to ahve been 35 pass plays against a team that was obviously overwhelmed in the trenches when it came to stopping the Irish running game, a fact that <strong>Charlie Weis</strong> failed to exploit with any consistency until the end of the third quarter. Going through the <a href="http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2007-2008/navy.html#GAME.PLY" target="_blank">play-by-play</a>, I count NINE times that Sharpley was asked to throw the ball on first-and-ten. Offensive genius, my ass.
<p align="center"><strong>3.7</strong></p>
That's the average yardage per carry picked up by the Notre Dame offense. It's easy to look at the box score, see 235 net rushing yards, and conclude that the running game was a real bright spot yesterday. But it took SIXTY-THREE carries to get to that total, and nearly all of the Irish rushing efficiency seemed to be of the "fall forward" variety: ND's offensive linemen stood up and shoved their <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/a-size-able-advantage" target="_blank">startlingly undersized</a> counterparts nice and hard, and the tailbacks ran through the wreckage they created. If you're trying to build a D-I football program, that's not much to hang your hat on.

The bell <a href="http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html#3394609748179270661" target="_blank">tolls</a>, indeed. Now, off to find that fork ...
 

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who started the [NAME REDACTED] stuff?? That's funny and someone deserves reps

And what is the criteria for when he gets his [NAME] back??
 
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I have a question for [NAME REDACTED]. When is the laughing supposed to stop? You said at last weeks post game presser that the critics should get their laughs and digs in now because things wouldn't be like this (last week) for long. Looks like it's still like last week. By the end of the season are the laughs supposed to stop? End of next season?
 

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People have got to stop comparing Navy avg rushing yards/game against what they totalled against the Irish. When are we comparing ourselves to the likes of Delaware??? I look at how we do, not how inferior teams perform. Oh yeah, except when inferior teams score double what we do in regulation.
 

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I don't mind the comparison if they are saying, "hey team X from Div III put up 500 yards on Navy, shouldn't we have put up 1,000 yds?"
 

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That's not what is happening. They are saying that:
1) It's the same yardage they got last year against us
2) It's less than what they got from their other opponents.

Ok, well our D sucked last year, so that hasn't changed, and we aren't D2.
 

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That's not what is happening. They are saying that:
1) It's the same yardage they got last year against us
2) It's less than what they got from their other opponents.

Ok, well our D sucked last year, so that hasn't changed, and we aren't D2.

We should be in D2. Hell....There's an idea. Lets move to D2 and we could compete for a National Championship because thats our only chance.
 
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