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Our QB is turnover happy. - I don't have to make an argument for this. See box scores.

Our defense is slow. - Did you see USF against us? It looks like we were stuck in Longo's sand pit.

Our DBs are slower. - Harrison and Zeke take bad angles at the ballcarrier, and end up behind because they have average or below average speed for safeties at the BCS level.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO player development. - Name one player besides Cierre Wood and maybe KLM that has shown improvement? Theo, Crist, DBs, Flemming/Shembo, none of these have shown improvement yet.

The offense CANT score. - See Redzone production.

Harrison Smith and Gary Gray are terrible. - I went overboard here (besides Gray at Michigan).

We are not a good team. Stats are for losers. 0-2 is what matters.

So why are you still here? What's worse, a team that sucks, or you holding on to them and continuing to support them? What kind of man are you? Get the hell off of the bus, and find another team to support.
 
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So why are you still here? What's worse, a team that sucks, or you holding on to them and continuing to support them? What kind of man are you? Get the hell off of the bus, and find another team to support.

Ahhh, the old argument, "I'm never critical of my team so I'm a better fan than you".

What a joke. I love this team but I can remain objective (for the most part).

Your post was absolutely worthless. If you have to take a personal attack, take it to PM and don't waste everyone else's time.
 

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Ahhh, the old argument, "I'm never critical of my team so I'm a better fan than you".

What a joke. I love this team but I can remain objective (for the most part).

Your post was absolutely worthless. If you have to take a personal attack, take it to PM and don't waste everyone else's time.

Yes, because I am never critical of the team or the coaching staff. Ask around, and see what you find! I never attacked you, I simply asked why you are still here, if you have such a crappy view of the program. From what I've seen from you, the only thing that they do RIGHT, is putting on their uniforms. Tell me, what positives have you seen from this team?
 
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Yes, because I am never critical of the team or the coaching staff. Ask around, and see what you find! I never attacked you, I simply asked why you are still here, if you have such a crappy view of the program. From what I've seen from you, the only thing that they do RIGHT, is putting on their uniforms. Tell me, what positives have you seen from this team?

Well, because I love ND for starters. What have they done good? The o-line has been good, the jersey's have looked sweet, Jonas, Floyd, and Cierre have been good. Is there anything that I'm honestly missing? Lol.

Relax man, the team's 0-2 and we're all unhappy about it.

You don't have to ask people why they're on the board. Get off your high horse.
 

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Johnson was good last year. I can't honestly say he looks BETTER than last year. That's what IMPROVEMENT means. Has he made a sack or any plays in the backfield? I can remember one in two games. It was a tackle.

Fox played terrible in the first game.

As for our DBs, I'm not talking about getting beat deep. I'm talking about taking awful angles at the ball carrier, angles which they're not fast enough to make. Zeke especially looks slow in his pursuit of the ball carrier. I called it before the season even started and said Slaughter would start over him because he's too slow.

Scoring isn't one-size fits all. If you can't score in the redzone, and you constantly turn it over, you're not scoring.

PS, we're not even a top-70 team in scoring offense.

Slow, yes. Watch the tape. Daniels looked like Mike Vick out there. Flemming and Shembo couldn't set the edge on him and keep him contained.

As far as "stats are for losers". They are. I don't care about predicting, which you seem to. I care about production. As for NDs football product? A disappointing 0-2.

I'm sorry you're upset, I am too. Sorry for being critical.

what exactly did daniels do to win the game? our defense held their offense to one TD!!!!! after the abysmal start our offense had and as many times usf had the ball and only came away with 3 points on the board. our defense played stout the first game. it was the offense that let them down.

and don't even get me started on the michigan game. we had a goal line stance that lead to a fumble that bounced in denard's direction only to have him waltz in the endzone. that is a bad break. also, denard was over throwing and underthrowing receivers that hardly got past our slow db's and safeties. our db's and safeties were in good position for the better part of the night only to see denard get lucky by chucking the ball up. again, luck was against us.

we domintated both sides of the line of scrimmage. anybody that has half a brain could tell that. we made some mistakes as well. the biggest blunder, imo, was gray on the 64 yard reception that lead to the winning TD. outside of that, gray didn't have a great game, but it wasn't like he was out of position all night long. he was in position more often than not to make a play. he just got unlucky.

we will bounce back. i have faith that bk will get these boys playing more mistake free football. and when we do, look out. we are better than this.
 
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My Mike Vick reference wasn't to reference the fact that he tore us up. He didn't, however, he did move around the edge, seemingly with ease around our OLBs, which I was very disappointed in.

This team is talented, and I expect them to win every game that they win the TO battle in. They have had enough turnovers to equal BKs 05 and 09 season's totals so it's hard to point the finger at him.
 
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How about next year instead of playing D to contain Robinson, we come after him. Bring the heat with speed like Lynch, Tuitt, Manti, Shembo, Ishaq, Moore.
 

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I agree this is the hardest ND to watch in the last 10 years! Horrible coach, underachieving across the board, and NO mental toughness! We got beat by a one man team Saturday! Thank God for Floyd or we would get destroyed the last (2) games! The team is a joke!!!
 
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How about next year instead of playing D to contain Robinson, we come after him. Bring the heat with speed like Lynch, Tuitt, Manti, Shembo, Ishaq, Moore.

I try not to get myself excited about super-star freshman and playing time over the older guys, but I was shocked that Lynch didn't see the field. I'm guessing he's our fasted DE. You have to think he would have been able to make a couple plays on DRob.
 

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I try not to get myself excited about super-star freshman and playing time over the older guys, but I was shocked that Lynch didn't see the field. I'm guessing he's our fasted DE. You have to think he would have been able to make a couple plays on DRob.
I'm not complaining about not playing Lynch on saturday. The staff obviously felt that he is a frosh, in his second game and wouldn't able to contain the edge on Robinson. KLM and EJ were able to contain and stay at home.

Next year I would just like ND to come after Denard more. They will have speed and some experience to da this NEXT YEAR. Lynch, Moore, shembo, Spond, Ishaq
 

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How about next year instead of playing D to contain Robinson, we come after him. Bring the heat with speed like Lynch, Tuitt, Manti, Shembo, Ishaq, Moore.

i think our game plan vs. denard this season was fine. denard got lucky. he's not a passer and was just chucking crap (wounded ducks) and getting lucky.
 

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I try not to get myself excited about super-star freshman and playing time over the older guys, but I was shocked that Lynch didn't see the field. I'm guessing he's our fasted DE. You have to think he would have been able to make a couple plays on DRob.

Thankyou! The whole game, I was looking for more frosh to play. Your example of Lynch making more plays based on his speed is spot on. Just as my example or Cam, George, etc returning kicks. Or Kyle punting. When certain areas (secondary, special teams, etc) are going that bad, what's to lose by playing a frosh and seeing what they can bring to the team?
 

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Well, because I love ND for starters. What have they done good? The o-line has been good, the jersey's have looked sweet, Jonas, Floyd, and Cierre have been good. Is there anything that I'm honestly missing? Lol.

Relax man, the team's 0-2 and we're all unhappy about it.

You don't have to ask people why they're on the board. Get off your high horse.

If you want to make personal attacks, take them to PMs please.

So Tommy Rees hasn't looked good? The turnovers are only one part of the equation. And, if you think about it: the TJ Jones INT was not Rees' fault. Nor, apparently, was the first INT that he threw against Michigan. Maybe someone who has the game recorded can verify this, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering it right. After the half, ESPN showed Erin Andrews(?) interviewing Kelly on the way back out to the field. There was an audio problem, and I never heard what Kelly said to her. But I'm almost certain that I recall the announcers saying that Kelly mentioned that the TE ran the wrong route on Rees' 1st INT. The defender who made the pick dropped off of another receiver, to get the INT. I'm assuming (but I think it's a good assumption) that the TE was that receiver, and that he was supposed to clear that area out. So, had he run the right route, the defender would have been in a completely different area of the field. The guy is completing 69.8% of his passes, averaging 100+ yards passing, per QUARTER, has thrown 5 TDs in 6 quarters, and has only taken 1 sack........ you don't see that as positive?!?!?!

The defense has shown signs of being a really good defense. They haven't been able to sustain that for four quarters yet, but it's a damn sight better than we have seen in recent years. But that's not positive.

I'm not on a high horse: If you want to be critical, and use logic and statistics to support your position, I will gladly listen. But if you want to come in with "X sucks!", "Y is horrible!", and "Z blows!"........ don't expect me not to call you on it.

The thing that most concerns me in the first two games(other than the turnovers), is the lack of a pass rush. We all expected our front 7 to be able to put great pressure on QBs, this year. However, I'm also well aware that we have played two QBs that are known more for their mobility than their passing. So, I'm hoping that the defensive game plan was to not pin our ears back and rush the passer, but to allow a pocket to form, to keep the QB in that space. The next couple of games should answer that one for me.
 

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i think our game plan vs. denard this season was fine. denard got lucky. he's not a passer and was just chucking crap (wounded ducks) and getting lucky.
IDK...I would really like to see him get hit hard more often...bringing pressure from guys with speed could help
 

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i think our game plan vs. denard this season was fine. denard got lucky. he's not a passer and was just chucking crap (wounded ducks) and getting lucky.

Agree with this. Denard threw plenty of 3rd and 7 60 yd bombs, and he's lucky that Gary Gray played awful. Its funny watching our corners, then watching Alabama/LSU corners play. Hate to be talking about SEC fball, but these corners WANT to be thrown to. Some of these corners hope that the quarterback lofts one to their side so they can make a play.
 

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IDK...I would really like to see him get hit hard more often...bringing pressure from guys with speed could help

trust me, so would i. i can't stand seeing a guy so damn lucky and ends up getting offensive player of the week.
 

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I agree this is the hardest ND to watch in the last 10 years! Horrible coach, underachieving across the board, and NO mental toughness! We got beat by a one man team Saturday! Thank God for Floyd or we would get destroyed the last (2) games! The team is a joke!!!

Are you serious dude? You are the joke.
 

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...The thing that most concerns me in the first two games(other than the turnovers), is the lack of a pass rush. We all expected our front 7 to be able to put great pressure on QBs, this year. However, I'm also well aware that we have played two QBs that are known more for their mobility than their passing. So, I'm hoping that the defensive game plan was to not pin our ears back and rush the passer, but to allow a pocket to form, to keep the QB in that space. The next couple of games should answer that one for me.


^Agreed

I think everyone got amped for this defense because of the idea that we'd be spending the majority of the game in the opponent's backfield. We haven't seen much of that yet (and like you said, I feel it's because of the type of offenses we were facing). I think this weekend, we'll apply more pressure which in turn, should help out our secondary (Lord knows we need help back there).
 

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we palyed amazing all around.. some things are just chance/lucky it happens.... stopping M ON GOALINE THEY FUMBLE RIGHT TO ROBINSON thats luck...

we lost the game in 28 seconds leaving a wide open by 15 yrds reciever on the 2nd to last play...We should have rushed three and dropped the rest... there is no way Denard could have ran the ball 80 yrds in 28 seconds...

why didn't we watch the pass on that play ball on twenty we ruch and leave wide open reciever with just enough time for him to run to the twenty and stop clock...... the rest of the game was took care of...............Call the right defensive calls!!!!!!!!
 

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One thing I can say is that Rees has only started 5 games, he hasn't even been a starter for a full season yet. The team will be in good hands as he continues to learn and cuts down on the turnovers.
 

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rees is fine it's the punting and flukes man... we have seen some wild stuff in just 2 games...
 

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This football team is cursed. ND fumbles at the one and it gets returned for 6. Michigan fumbles at the one and Denard scoops it up and goes untouched for a TD. SMH
 
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can we get some green pompoms for the USC game love the way it looks..

I second this. Our administration seems a bit too high and mighty to evolve, but I think they should consider it. Put it on the list with the jumbotron and the field turf.
 

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This football team is cursed. ND fumbles at the one and it gets returned for 6. Michigan fumbles at the one and Denard scoops it up and goes untouched for a TD. SMH

not cursed, with bad punting and turnovers we should have been 3 to 4 touchdowns ahead... we will get better...
 

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I second this. Our administration seems a bit too high and mighty to evolve, but I think they should consider it. Put it on the list with the jumbotron and the field turf.

indeed we need to show spirit and bring the house down on USC....
 

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THINK ABOUT THIS GUYS..... WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DESTROY MICHIGAN ST. AND PROVE IT ALL WRONG...
 
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not cursed, with bad punting and turnovers we should have been 3 to 4 touchdowns ahead... we will get better...

Weird fumbles have KILLED us in big games this decade. Think USC 2005 (Leinart fumbles out of bounds to stop the clock on the 1 yard line) and now Denard's fumbleruski.
 

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Don't have time to read all the responses here, but did anyone else notice the lack of defensive substitution, especially at end, on the defense. Tuitt and Lynch DIDN'T EVEN PLAY. Maybe the Defense broke down so badly i the 4th because they were worn out chasing DR around without a breather.

Also while Floyd is incredible, Tommy needs to learn that there are OTHER receivers, especially our TE's. Any defense worth anything will key in when you only go to 1 guy, and it resulted in 1 of the turnovers.
 
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