Jimmy should have stayed at ND?

[kmoose]

Clausen would of failed at ND his final season just like he did in the draft. He was so over rated.

"would have", not "would of". But thanks for playing, and living up to your name.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

it isn't purely a matter of clausen selling himself to teams. the teams have to actually (1) need a high calibur qb, (2) be able to afford a first round qb contract, and (3) be mindful of the egos of current qb's on their roster.

it was foreseeable that clausen would not go in the first round. i'm sure he was aware of the risk and chose to enter the draft anyways. it makes sense because of the coaching/scheme changes.

perhaps the key is to avoid letting your personal hopes and feelings regarding his rightful draft position affect your argument. who cares where he goes in the draft, especially when it was predictable. it seems like some people are trying to rationalize their disappointment by discussing completely unrelated topics like "clausen is a traitor for leaving" or "clausen is a jerk"

it was a reasonable business decision. bottomline.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Clausen would of failed at ND his final season just like he did in the draft. He was so over rated.

So are you

 

[jrmurrey1234]

I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.

AMEN!!!

 

[jrmurrey1234]

Just saying

Just saying

Fantastic Post. Reps.

If the GM's thought that way, they would have taken him.

 

[Freeman Ara]

My post was actually thought out quite well.

Saying that if you come back for a fourth season you may get injured is just plain ignorant. This is a game of hitting, and that's just a fact. You can't make all your decisions like you are scared of getting injured. You take on a certain amount of risk when you play this game. And if you really are good enough (Sam Bradford) It doesn't really matter in the end. Plus, Tebow, and McCoy both came back, neither got hurt, and both were good enough to be drafted their junior years. So, how does your thought make any sense?

Coincidentally, making this decision shows a lot about your personality. 1. You really aren't that tough because you are scared of getting hurt. And maybe, you should find a game like golf to play. Maybe that's why Tebow went first, he has proven these traits.

2. Maturity, and this is the biggest. I said that he didn't have the maturity to run a pro offense. I misspoke, I meant he didn't have the maturity to run AN OFFENSE in THE PROs, regardless of the style. We all know he can run the pro style offense, he did it for three years... You gain maturity by ageing and playing the game and another year in college would go a long way to show that. The style he played would really only help him understand more about the game of football, and would probably not hurt him in the slightest. Actually, tell me how running a different style offense would hurt him?

Chasing the money. Chasing money shows a tremendous lack of maturity. He said in one of his post season interviews that coming to ND was purely a BUSINESS DECISION... One, coming to ND should never be a BUSINESS DECISION. The history, legends, and mystic of ND does not warrant a BUSINESS DECISION. The expectations are too high, the fan base wants results, we expect more. So, to come simply to get to the money shows immaturity.

On the business decision...If you come to play football at ND as a business decision, I don't want you! Go to USC or MU. Go to a school that doesn't matter. But don't come to my ND. I expect more maturity from a student who goes to a school like ND. I expect you to be a little different, smarter, more mature, harder working, in a word, special.

You can't make a business decision and play as a team member. Because not every member came there with the same thing in mind. He came to get to the pros, whatever the cost. He should have come to play for Notre Dame, not Jimmy Clausen. Playing football at Notre Dame is not a means to a personal end. Playing at ND means much much more than that. As a fan, I expect the legacy to be held up. I expect the players to come to ND and fight for the ND tradition, not make a business decision and jump ship because its best for a single player. If you come to the ND legacy, leave a legacy.

For those of you who say he didn't play defense...Ok, well, you say that the Offense put up enough points to win the game. Well, it goes like this, if at the end of the game, your team has fewer points than the other, you DID NOT put up enough points to win. It's called math. We can play the blame game all day, but in the end, there were not enough points put up. Period.

I've not said he was a bad player. I've said he made a bad decision going to the pros early, and he did not accomplish anything FOR Notre Dame football and the ND family.

I'm not saying the draft has turned out personally bad for Clausen. I'm saying this is no duh. It serves him, and everyone else, right for thinking he was a first rounder. The point of him leaving was to be a first round pick, and now that he's not, he missed the point. He should have showed the maturity he talks about and stayed.

As far as Tate goes, he's a WR, doesn't need the same team leadership the QB does. Totally different position with different responsibilities. I got nothin but love for him and his decision.

Personally, I defended JC though the 3-9, 6-7, and the 6-6, saying he was good and would still turn the program around. He would live up to the hype, he would bring ND back into relevance. I was a JC fan, until he made a school like ND a Business Decision.

I think I got all the haters out there.

So you supported him for 3 years, believed in him, thought he would be the guy to get us turned around. Then as soon as he makes a decision that you don't agree with, but is probably the right one for him and his family given the information at the time, you bang on the kid? Glad to see it's not personal.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

So you supported him for 3 years, believed in him, thought he would be the guy to get us turned around. Then as soon as he makes a decision that you don't agree with, but is probably the right one for him and his family given the information at the time, you bang on the kid? Glad to see it's not personal.

Right, thats what I said. This guy just doesnt like Jimmy. I cant stand so called fans who just personally dont like a player and they let that cloud your judgement. If you look at it objectively, he had to leave. Why would he want to play a spread after 3 years in a pro style offense?

 

[PADOMERNUT]

The kid gave his heart and soul to ND for 3 years and some people just cant appreciate that. He has done more for ND than most of us could ever dream.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The kid gave his heart and soul to ND for 3 years and some people just cant appreciate that. He has done more for ND than most of us could ever dream.

While I agree that Clausen left it all out on the field.... He just didn't seem to show the same determination and leadership that Brady Quinn showed.

Clausen is a little too cocky, but Philip Rivers is the same way and he's one heck of a QB.

So, I have no idea why the Scouts didn't like him. Maybe they just didn't want a QB.

 

[BeatSC]

My post was actually thought out quite well.

Saying that if you come back for a fourth season you may get injured is just plain ignorant. This is a game of hitting, and that's just a fact. You can't make all your decisions like you are scared of getting injured. You take on a certain amount of risk when you play this game. And if you really are good enough (Sam Bradford) It doesn't really matter in the end. Plus, Tebow, and McCoy both came back, neither got hurt, and both were good enough to be drafted their junior years. So, how does your thought make any sense?

Coincidentally, making this decision shows a lot about your personality. 1. You really aren't that tough because you are scared of getting hurt. And maybe, you should find a game like golf to play. Maybe that's why Tebow went first, he has proven these traits.

2. Maturity, and this is the biggest. I said that he didn't have the maturity to run a pro offense. I misspoke, I meant he didn't have the maturity to run AN OFFENSE in THE PROs, regardless of the style. We all know he can run the pro style offense, he did it for three years... You gain maturity by ageing and playing the game and another year in college would go a long way to show that. The style he played would really only help him understand more about the game of football, and would probably not hurt him in the slightest. Actually, tell me how running a different style offense would hurt him?

Chasing the money. Chasing money shows a tremendous lack of maturity. He said in one of his post season interviews that coming to ND was purely a BUSINESS DECISION... One, coming to ND should never be a BUSINESS DECISION. The history, legends, and mystic of ND does not warrant a BUSINESS DECISION. The expectations are too high, the fan base wants results, we expect more. So, to come simply to get to the money shows immaturity.

On the business decision...If you come to play football at ND as a business decision, I don't want you! Go to USC or MU. Go to a school that doesn't matter. But don't come to my ND. I expect more maturity from a student who goes to a school like ND. I expect you to be a little different, smarter, more mature, harder working, in a word, special.

You can't make a business decision and play as a team member. Because not every member came there with the same thing in mind. He came to get to the pros, whatever the cost. He should have come to play for Notre Dame, not Jimmy Clausen. Playing football at Notre Dame is not a means to a personal end. Playing at ND means much much more than that. As a fan, I expect the legacy to be held up. I expect the players to come to ND and fight for the ND tradition, not make a business decision and jump ship because its best for a single player. If you come to the ND legacy, leave a legacy.

For those of you who say he didn't play defense...Ok, well, you say that the Offense put up enough points to win the game. Well, it goes like this, if at the end of the game, your team has fewer points than the other, you DID NOT put up enough points to win. It's called math. We can play the blame game all day, but in the end, there were not enough points put up. Period.

I've not said he was a bad player. I've said he made a bad decision going to the pros early, and he did not accomplish anything FOR Notre Dame football and the ND family.

I'm not saying the draft has turned out personally bad for Clausen. I'm saying this is no duh. It serves him, and everyone else, right for thinking he was a first rounder. The point of him leaving was to be a first round pick, and now that he's not, he missed the point. He should have showed the maturity he talks about and stayed.

As far as Tate goes, he's a WR, doesn't need the same team leadership the QB does. Totally different position with different responsibilities. I got nothin but love for him and his decision.

Personally, I defended JC though the 3-9, 6-7, and the 6-6, saying he was good and would still turn the program around. He would live up to the hype, he would bring ND back into relevance. I was a JC fan, until he made a school like ND a Business Decision.

I think I got all the haters out there.

I guess by that same thought process Golden Tate is selfish and sucks too? Hindsight is 20/20 and almost everyone and his mother had JC goin in the top 10 if not higher. The 3 guys in the draft that were getting interviewed the last 2 weeks were Bradfor Su and JC. He will just have to prove them wrong. Good point about Denver waiting to the 2nd to pickup Tebow. He might have been there in the 3rd round as well. What a boner.

 

[Riddickulous]

Why should Clausen have stayed?

What is the point in staying another year, dealing with a new coach when one of the biggest reasons you came to the school was for the previous one, learning an entirely new offense that will not help you at all to prepare for the National Football League and may even set you back, forgetting skills you have developed (footwork, making reads, throwing NFL routes) that will benefit you on the pro level, etc.

 

[TDHeysus]

Clausen will be fine...I wont respond to the hate

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Clausen will be fine...I wont respond to the hate

I think you just did...

 

[Allocco 121975]

Jimmy is going to a great location with a veteran offensive line . Steve Smith to throw to and a not half bad running game.

h eshould flourish under this offense, its all up to him now ! Did Erin Andrews stay in Plam Springs for both rounds ?

 

[ACamp1900]

Did Erin Andrews stay in Plam Springs for both rounds ?

maybe Jimmy made a friend last night...

 

[alleycat9]

That's why so many teams took quarterbacks other than Clausen, in the first round?

the point was not how many qbs were taken. if teams thought he was the next peyton manning or rivers they would have drafted him even if they didnt have a huge need.

there were a number of teams that either have a need or have an impending need in the next year or 2 that passed on him.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

The kid gave his heart and soul to ND for 3 years and some people just cant appreciate that. He has done more for ND than most of us could ever dream.

Unfortunately, college is a 4 year commitment, not 3.

Which just goes to show, if you don't finish what you start, you're probably not all that and a bag of first round chips.

And this speaks strictly of QBs! Other positions need not apply for this type of criticism. Golden did what he had to do, he left because JC did. But he is not expected to go out and lead a NFL team to a Super Bowl. JC however, is. So, good on Tate for gettin while the gettins good.

So, jumping a year early speaks volumes about character.

I don't hate JC, just his choice. Because he proves everything I have been defending him on for the last 3 years wrong.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah, it hurt Bradford a lot leaving early.

 

[alleycat9]

Unfortunately, college is a 4 year commitment, not 3.

Which just goes to show, if you don't finish what you start, you're probably not all that and a bag of first round chips.

And this speaks strictly of QBs! Other positions need not apply for this type of criticism. Golden did what he had to do, he left because JC did. But he is not expected to go out and lead a NFL team to a Super Bowl. JC however, is. So, good on Tate for gettin while the gettins good.

So, jumping a year early speaks volumes about character.

I don't hate JC, just his choice. Because he proves everything I have been defending him on for the last 3 years wrong.

i dont see how you can say golden can leave early but clausen cant? i also dont understand the commitment means something for the qb but not for others?

clausen stood to lose more staying than tate did. tate also got drafted alot lower than clausen... to be fair i would say that tate stood to gain more from staying and showing consistency and maturity. UNLESS he didnt really think he was as good as he showed last year. and that without clausen his inability to separate may have been exposed...

just using some stuff they were talking about to add to the conversation.

 

[Freeman Ara]

Unfortunately, college is a 4 year commitment, not 3.

Which just goes to show, if you don't finish what you start, you're probably not all that and a bag of first round chips.

And this speaks strictly of QBs! Other positions need not apply for this type of criticism. Golden did what he had to do, he left because JC did. But he is not expected to go out and lead a NFL team to a Super Bowl. JC however, is. So, good on Tate for gettin while the gettins good.

So, jumping a year early speaks volumes about character.

I don't hate JC, just his choice. Because he proves everything I have been defending him on for the last 3 years wrong.

Ok, so college is a 3 year commitment and speaks volumes about a kids character, but only if you play QB? All the others are free to leave even if it hurts the teams chances of winning a national championship the next year. I mean after all it is a team game is it not? So Crist has a great two years and is told there is a chance he could be a first round pick you'll hate his choice and villify him and basically celebrate if he drops in the draft. While Teo might leave and you'll be perfectly ok with it? Sounds hypocritical to me, but whatever.
Now answer me this. In your mind from what you saw from him last year, does Clausen have the tools to be projected as a first rounder? Is he accurate enough for the NFL? Does he have the arm strength to make all the throws? Did he show the ability to run a pro style offense and read defenses? Was his decision making much improved over his sophomore season? If your answer is no, then your entitled to your opinion and I can respect that. But if your main reason is because you think he owes you or anyone else all 4 years when he has his life long dream sitting there in front of him for the taking. Well, that's just foolish.

 

[ACamp1900]

I believe Anthony Vernaglia was a great backup........................................

 

[dre1919]

Clausen staying for his senior season would have been a waste of time. The team is transitioning to the Spread, so he would have had to learn a completely new offense (which doesn't suit his style of play and skill set) for only one year. Plus, that probably would have hurt his stats and overall look going into that draft. The fact he slipped down the draft board to me was because people looked at him and saw Brady Quinn. Personally, I think Brady is a good QB and will have a solid career if given the chance. I think too many people think he is already a bust, but he had nothing to work with in Cleveland. So, to me, the jury is still out. But, I do think those people that consider BQ a bust helped fuel the idea that Jimmy would be another Quinn. Now, if Quinn doesn't beat out Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow at Denver for the start, then yeah, he's a bust because seriously...he should be able to outgun those two in a second.

I do think JC is going to a decent place with Carolina (even though as an artist I think they have the ugliest logo in the NFL besides the Browns). He's going to a run heavy team, where he can start and not have to carry the team. Plus, Carolina has been wanting a young QB forever and they finally got one. So, it's probably for the best...but it cost him some serious cash dropping like he did. I think Denver is really the dumb one...taking Tebow over Clausen that high? No way. Plus, the Chiefs should have taken Clausen too because of Charlie. Sure, Cassel is decent and still young, but you need at least two good QB's in the NFL these days and the Chiefs don't have that.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Scott Wright, who runs a pretty in-depth run down of the draft on his web site wrote this about Jimmy:

48 CAROLINA PANTHERS: JIMMY CLAUSEN, QB, NOTRE DAME
Scouting Report
S.O.D. (Steal of the Draft). This guy will have a better career than Sam Bradford.

and Mel Kiper thought he was a better overall prospect too. Only time will tell who's better, but I think from a purely logical standpoint Jimmy made the right decision. People were saying he would be a top 10 pick and maybe the best qb in this draft, so why wouldn't he come out? Even though he fell to the second round, he still landed in a pretty good situation where he can compete for the starting job and hand off the ball to the best rb combo in the league. In the long run it might be best that he ended up on a team like the panthers instead of the bills or raiders or browns.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clausen fell into a perfect position. He's got 2 great running backs and a wide receiver exactly like Golden Tate in Steve Smith. Their offensive line is good as well. Watch for the Panthers to return to the Super Bowl in the next 5 years.

 

[phork]

Look, it was a foregone conclusion that Jimmy was leaving when Weis got canned. Once Weis was out there was no reason to stay because the bulk of the favourites to replace Weis all ran spread offenses. I was shocked that he fell as far as he did, I thought Minnesota would have snatched him up in a second. Carolina is not a bad place to be. Above average running game, decent Oline. At least he isn't going to get the snot beat out of him like he would have on Oakland, Cleveland or any of the also rans.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Carolina got a steal, and besides the loss of a lot of dough, Jimmy is in a much better place than I thought he'd be, and in a much better place than both Bradford and McCoy.

Phork, I don't see why Minn passed on him basically twice. He could've sat behind Favre for a year (or 4; I guess you never know with him), and then been ready to rock 'n roll the next year. Now I hope Favre doesn't come back and they're stuck with Tavaris Jackson and Rosenfeld (sp) and Booty and whatever other scrub they can manage.

On a side note, one of my closest friends moved to Charlotte a few years ago and has adopted the Panthers as his team now that he lives there, and I'm actually flying out there this Thursday to visit (and luckily for me, Tiger is playing Quail Hollow where we'll be watching him on Friday). I'll be sporting my ND gear and I expect the Carolina fans to give me a nod, because they got a helluva QB that low in the draft. I know my buddy is pumped and sent me a text the second they got him...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Carolina has more than an above average running game. It's one of the best in the league.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Carolina has more than an above average running game. It's one of the best in the league.

It's running game is elite, definitely in the top 5.

Clausen is in a beautiful situation.

 

[irish1958]

Jimmy should say a prayer of thanks for his good fortune. Instead of going to a terrible team he is going to a potential great team. On second thought, ten novenas aren't enough. They are in the top ten for defense (10) and running (3), have a terrific coach and coaching staff which has been stable for years. And one of the best lines in pro football. A favorable devision (I have a sneaking suspicion N.O. will follow in Pittsburgh's foot steps this season.), a great climate, good golf, a great location.
Carolina is getting the piece they have been missing to make them a very good football team.
Being a top ten choice means you go to one of the ten worst teams in football (except for purdue, but that's another story).
Quinn wasn't a top ten, but he ended up in one of the worst situations in pro football and it probably cost him his career.
Poor Sam Badford. Saint Louis is a mess and has no chance of getting better. With his shoulder he probably won't last the year after all the hits he is going to be getting.
So Jimmy lost a few bucks going where he did. The real money is in becoming a franchise QB, to say nothing of the satisfaction involved.
If Jimmy is as good as I think he is, watch out NFL!

 

[kmoose]

the point was not how many qbs were taken. if teams thought he was the next peyton manning or rivers they would have drafted him even if they didnt have a huge need.

there were a number of teams that either have a need or have an impending need in the next year or 2 that passed on him.

My point was that those teams' need for a QB must not have been very pressing, if they didn't take one at all.