Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

irish#underground

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In that second picture you see the two ND "receivers" classically setting the edge ... if it was a running play.

They had 3 defenders boxed out and maintained it "downfield" on a pass play.

They knew where the ball was going and made no attempt to be a receiver. They performed their blocking task well, actually too well. A rub is a to finesse block one that is NOT supposed to be actually set.

Ok & then you mash play & you seen clearly the dbs jump the route & jammed the receivers inwhich the route they was running. It was a bang bang play & it shouldn't have been called. Atleast go to the replay booth.
 

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Questionable call for sure .

Did CJ and fuller need to be that aggressive ....NO

We outplayed them and that play was the perfect call and could easily been the winning touchdown.

That ref has got some major balls changing the game with a 50/50 call.

We win out we make the playoffs and can beat anybody anywhere!
 

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Our margin for error is definately smaller with this loss. Two L's won't work...but I don't think we lose again, maybe in 2016...


Two losses should be AUTOMATICALLY too many for ANY team. Unless you are from the SEC, apparently.

Literally, there were people saying that ND would be automatically passed over by an SEC team with two losses, which is just bunk. Every team that already has one loss should have the exact same margin for error, period, because they are all competing for two spots.

A bonus for ND if we win out, and someone on our schedule upsets ORE in the P12 CG, then the likelihood of Michigan State passing ND, even if they beat OSU again in their B12 CG, becomes much more remote.
 

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Two losses should be AUTOMATICALLY too many for ANY team. Unless you are from the SEC, apparently.

Literally, there were people saying that ND would be automatically passed over by an SEC team with two losses, which is just bunk. Every team that already has one loss should have the exact same margin for error, period, because they are all competing for two spots.

A bonus for ND if we win out, and someone on our schedule upsets ORE in the P12 CG, then the likelihood of Michigan State passing ND, even if they beat OSU again in their B12 CG, becomes much more remote.

If we win out we're good. One more lose won't work. ND is fine.
 

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Don't know if it was mentioned, but our first td was the same damn play right in front of the official and nothing was called. That inconsistency sends the wrong message to the kids and what they feel they can do on the field.
 

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See, to me, its not even that. Its a no call 100% of the time. Even the head ref had to chuckle and ask the guy if he was sure. I get it. Shit happens. Can't do anything about it. I get all of that but I'm not a coach or player on the team. I'm a fan. Part of the job is complaining! haha

I think I've earned enough reputation around the IE hood to be known as someone who's not a kook-aid drinker. I believe that I have proven to be as objective and unbiased as they come. I have been watching football for over 20 years and while that doesn't make me an expert, I'd like to think I'm intelligent enough to have gone into coaching. Others have agreed with me however life took me down a different path. I don't need other experts or analysts to tell me whats a good call or bad call. I don't care if my opinion is popular or in the minority. I call it like I see it whether thats in ND's favor or not.

Sure, if ND wins out then they should be in the Final Four but what if they don't? Or what if they do lose one more game? Its far from certain that ND will win out. Its a bullshit call like this that could keep them out. People disagree about the call which is fine. The only explanation I've received as to why its a good call is from BGIF and his basis was Fuller turning his head. Not good enough because as you watch Fuller, he looks at Golson and its only after Golson has thrown the ball to C-Rob does Fuller look at C-Rob. So, no, I don't buy the head turn.


You've been attending too many Washington functions. You're cherry picking some lengthy posts into a soundbite. You've got a future behind the podium in the White House Press Room.

Syria posted the rule. I reposted it and addressed their violation. You and your wounded spinmeisters continue to avoid that discussion.

Lou Holtz, ND's last N.C head coach, Hall of Famer, and ardent ND supporter all season when the butthurt crowd was forecasting an 8 win season, said succinctly:

It was a penalty! I ran that play but that wasn't the way I taught it.

I watched that play several times on my dvr and I watched it several times on Final Countdown where they ran it at normal speed and at slow mo on a huge wall screen.

They also should the first Robby TD with a similar infraction by one player, showed the Fisher's post game presser where he pointed out that he had complained to the ref about the type of play earlier in the game. Just as Kelly had stated in his UNC post game presser that he had complained about the snapper being roughed on kicks tand after he did it was called.

Basketball coaches, baseball managers, and football coaches all do that routinely trying to influence the ref or umpire to draw the penalty, charge, or balk when they see the other team doing something that's borderline. Last week it worked for Kelly and we cheered. This week it worked for Fisher and we complained we got jobbed like a bunch of Walmart Wolverines. Next time we run it, I'll bet it will be run with more finesse like it's supposed to be run. Setting the edge and looking for the guy catching the ball that you're blocking for instead of trying to run a route and look for the ball, doesn't sell, "But ref, I'm a receiver."
 

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Don't know if it was mentioned, but our first td was the same damn play right in front of the official and nothing was called. That inconsistency sends the wrong message to the kids and what they feel they can do on the field.

It's always like that...is what it is. We got fuvked this time, it'll come back around.
 

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If we win out we're good. One more lose won't work. ND is fine.

Even if we won last night, a loss to almost anyone left on our schedule would probably knock us out of playoff consideration.
 

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I don't think so. We caught the eyes of the nation yesterday. We, and Bama, should be the class of the one loss teams.

Bama has not looked all that great for the entire season. They struggled against FLA, ARK, lost AT HOME to a lower-ranked team, and beat a crap team in the Aggies.

Literally, the two best 1-loss teams are ND and (pick'em), because ND is easily the best of them. It is not even close. AT THIS POINT in the season, anyway.
 

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Don't know if it was mentioned, but our first td was the same damn play right in front of the official and nothing was called. That inconsistency sends the wrong message to the kids and what they feel they can do on the field.

In the post game presser, Fisher stated that when he complained to the ref that ND was running an illegal pick and to watch for it. Kelly did the same think last week against UNC when their NT was pounding ND's long snapper on punts. Kelly pointed it out in that game and the next time they did, they got flagged.
 

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Hell, Michigan State and Ohio State have looked more impressive over the last month than Bama. I get the idea that Bama should be considered one of the best teams in the country, but they clearly are not on ND's level, right now.
 

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Even if we won last night, a loss to almost anyone left on our schedule would probably knock us out of playoff consideration.

Yes, I agree. This morning we sit in the same situation regardless of our last TD.
 

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Bama has not looked all that great for the entire season. They struggled against FLA, ARK, lost AT HOME to a lower-ranked team, and beat a crap team in the Aggies.

Literally, the two best 1-loss teams are ND and (pick'em), because ND is easily the best of them. It is not even close. AT THIS POINT in the season, anyway.


I agree with you but to the pollsters at least (time will tell what the Playoff Panel does) ND lost yesterday while Bama made Texas A&M look like Prairie View A&M. To the pollsters it's the freshest thing in their minds, ND lost while The Tide Rolled!

Perceptions not objectivity.
 

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Bama has not looked all that great for the entire season. They struggled against FLA, ARK, lost AT HOME to a lower-ranked team, and beat a crap team in the Aggies.

Literally, the two best 1-loss teams are ND and (pick'em), because ND is easily the best of them. It is not even close. AT THIS POINT in the season, anyway.

'Bama is 'Bama...give them some respect. I said the are the ONLY one loss team that MIGHT jump us...nobody else. Can might, maybe, not really understand Auburn.
 

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Hell, Michigan State and Ohio State have looked more impressive over the last month than Bama. I get the idea that Bama should be considered one of the best teams in the country, but they clearly are not on ND's level, right now.

You're speaking of the team that dismantled A&M yesterday 59 - 0?
 

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Even if we won last night, a loss to almost anyone left on our schedule would probably knock us out of playoff consideration.

Which goes with the axiom, if you're going to lose, do it early in the season.

We're not out but we need to run the table and get have a bunch of the other one loss teams to trip up.
 

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Hell, Michigan State and Ohio State have looked more impressive over the last month than Bama. I get the idea that Bama should be considered one of the best teams in the country, but they clearly are not on ND's level, right now.

Neither one of these teams are better than Alabama, let alone ND or Auburn. B10 is a joke, can't even add to pass 10.
 

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we could not have played any better in that environment. best coached game in the BK era imo.

EG played his best game in a ND uniform.

fact is we just got beat by a more talented team that made more plays than us.

winston is really good. love him or hate him like many of us do, he is really good hands down.

yes i'm pissed, the call sucked and rips your heart out of your chest and really nothing can be said other than that.

even with winston playing, we were 1 elite pass rusher from winning by 2 or 3 touchdowns, but i'm not going to take anything away from the front 7 guys who played their hearts out.

i'd like to think we can win out, but i just worry about the grind that their is for our young guys on defense to have to overcome physically.

personally, i don't think we're ready yet, not that we are not capable and i'm going to root my rear end off for them, but it's going to be tough.

with that said the bye week has come at a perfect time.
 

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my top 10:

miss st
miss
fla st
bama
oregon
Auburn
ND
Baylor
urban
sparty
 

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People need to stop acting like beating the Aggies was a big deal.

They are ATROCIOUS. They had to go to OT to beat a TERRIBLE Arkansas team (who came within a blocked PAT of taking Bama to OT, as well), and lost their last two games before Bama by double digits, as well.

Note, I said that Michigan State and OSU have LOOKED better the last month than Bama has. And if perception is reality, then Michigan State should be ranked ahead of Bama and ND.

But because of the ingrained perception that EVERY SEC TEAM is better than ANY TEAM in the nation, you get hammered with the idea that the SEC is automatically guaranteed TWO spots in the CFB Playoff, when honestly, they should be gunning for one spot, just like everyone else in the nation. It should not take THREE LOSSES to eliminate an SEC team from the CFB playoff picture, which is likely what it would take for people to stop saying that the SEC deserves two of the 4 spots already.
 

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People need to stop acting like beating the Aggies was a big deal.

They are ATROCIOUS. They had to go to OT to beat a TERRIBLE Arkansas team (who came within a blocked PAT of taking Bama to OT, as well), and lost their last two games before Bama by double digits, as well.

Note, I said that Michigan State and OSU have LOOKED better the last month than Bama has. And if perception is reality, then Michigan State should be ranked ahead of Bama and ND.

But because of the ingrained perception that EVERY SEC TEAM is better than ANY TEAM in the nation, you get hammered with the idea that the SEC is automatically guaranteed TWO spots in the CFB Playoff, when honestly, they should be gunning for one spot, just like everyone else in the nation. It should not take THREE LOSSES to eliminate an SEC team from the CFB playoff picture, which is likely what it would take for people to stop saying that the SEC deserves two of the 4 spots already.

it's not just that they beat them dude imo

it's how they beat them.

absolutely destroyed a team that has one of the best offenses in the country.

although i think most of the credit goes to missisippi for giving a nice blue print on what to do.
 

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it's not just that they beat them dude imo

it's how they beat them.

absolutely destroyed a team that has one of the best offenses in the country.

although i think most of the credit goes to missisippi for giving a nice blue print on what to do.

Yes this is correct. They blew them off the field.
 

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Last thing I'll say... the back judge, who called the penalty, didn't even turn his head in that direction until the ball was in the end zone and could not possible have seen the PI. Watch him on the gif. He threw the flag "blind" and well after the play was completed. Then they couldn't figure out who to call it on, and now there is retroactive justification that it was "right."

Secondly, the side judge with perfect view of the play calls nothing, and the head ref asks the back judge something to the effect of "are you sure you want to call that?" in the conference.

Third, you can't make a case that there was offensive PI and not also make the case that there was defensive holding. So I don't buy the retroactive "but it was the right call crap" because you also missed a call if that was the case.

Finally, neither of the DBs tries to cover Robinson. Neither of them get "picked." They both actively try to jam the receivers which is why there is the contact. They are initiating it. And then they realize there is busted coverage at the last second and try to fight off the jam that they, the DBs, initiated. I feel like everyone arguing that call is correct completely ignore the fact that the DBs are not even attempting to cover Robinson until the ball is over halfway to him, and the receivers at no point "deviate" from their initial route to impede them.
 

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Noobs still yappin bout obvious call? Talk more about bvg not changing his shit or kelly not just running it down throat. Run game was getting 3-5yds a pop easily, but nope kelly gotta be kelly.
 

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My top ten...

ND #1
FSU 2...

Play at our house.

The rest, who cares...
 

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Btw I feel like I got hit by a truck last night. These big games really take their toll on the body. I'm gonna go get an omelette and hashbrowns and attempt to get my head right before these NFL games start up.

Go Irish!
Go Giant's!
Go 49ers!
 

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Last thing I'll say... the back judge, who called the penalty, didn't even turn his head in that direction until the ball was in the end zone and could not possible have seen the PI. Watch him on the gif. He threw the flag "blind" and well after the play was completed. Then they couldn't figure out who to call it on, and now there is retroactive justification that it was "right."

Secondly, the side judge with perfect view of the play calls nothing, and the head ref asks the back judge something to the effect of "are you sure you want to call that?" in the conference.

Third, you can't make a case that there was offensive PI and not also make the case that there was defensive holding. So I don't buy the retroactive "but it was the right call crap" because you also missed a call if that was the case.

Finally, neither of the DBs tries to cover Robinson. Neither of them get "picked." They both actively try to jam the receivers which is why there is the contact. They are initiating it. And then they realize there is busted coverage at the last second and try to fight off the jam that they, the DBs, initiated. I feel like everyone arguing that call is correct completely ignore the fact that the DBs are not even attempting to cover Robinson until the ball is over halfway to him, and the receivers at no point "deviate" from their initial route to impede them.


Why don't you send this on to Lou Holtz. As I recall you have ESPN contacts so it should be no problem for you to get him to explaing why he's so wrong.
 

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You do realize that ND had NO timeouts left and it was fourth down? The only run play that should be called there is something with Golson, which is likely what the call was, but I do not put that on Kelly. He mixed up his playcalling all night. He was masterful.
 
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