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Our “difference” is that you view other human beings as ugly things that should be hidden from society. I believe that all people have the inalienable rights spelled out in our Constitution, even those who are transgender. And you, apparently, view these people as a blemish not good enough to be seen by polite society. It is my position that your remarks about transgender people are repugnant. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

I respect that you said my “remarks” are repugnant. That’s progress.

In turn, I am saying their transgenderism is a flaw, and that flaw is ugly. The flaw not the person is ugly. You are making the common error of assuming one characteristic defines the whole of a person and just because I see that one characteristic as a flaw that I totally want to throw away the whole person. The transgenderism is a blemish, not the entire person. I’m not sure why you guys don’t get it…. But then again I’ve argued with you all before so it’s all or nothing with you guys. Agree with me or you’re a fucking bigoted angry white man, very productive.
 

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It’s fascinating you cannot have a convo without name calling. What makes a me a bigot? I would go to war with a transgender. I would have a meal with one. I would have a conversion with one. I would be friends with one. I have many friends and colleagues that fall under one of the alphabetically defined groups. I get that you guys HATE everyone you disagree with. But that’s not me. I have opinions and that’s about where it starts and ends. I am friends with people that hate Christianity. I apologize (I really don’t) that my opinion does not fit in your worldview of how someone should think. You are being the hypocrite here. We disagree therefore you call me names. I’m not hurt or offended. I am just pointing it out because you are acting on this difference we have. We have a difference, therefore you call me names. Who is the bigot?
Calling names is what he does best, when someone provides a logical view point that he can’t refute.
 

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So you would go to war AND have a meal with a trans person. Great. Would you tell that same trans person that you think they should be eradicated, ya know, for the children and the good of society?

You think it’s alright to have bigoted opinions without being called out on them and it’s just not. You seem to be totally lacking in self-awareness. I can’t imagine being a social worker and working with populations that you seemingly despise. I’d love to audit your cases over the years, just to see how many people/families that you denied services to or failed to help because “opinions.”
Oh the irony.
 

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For those of you on the Left shouting about society demonizing and hating and discriminating against trans people, you're intentionally missing the point and trying to shape the discussion in a dishonest way. Society has ALWAYS denounced certain groups for their behavior when that behavior was generally deemed offensive, repugnant, perverted, and/or not conducive to promoting a healthy society. We reject murderers, rapists, molesters, and wife beaters for those very reasons. We aren't discriminating against them. Their behavior is unacceptable in a healthy society and dangerous to it. As for non-criminal behavior, society generally rejects those with atrocious social skills and manners, poor hygiene, chronic nose-pickers, loud and boorish people, those who are over the top self-absorbed and rude to everyone around them, those with personality traits that make them act well outside of social norms, racists, and so on. If your neighbor, who never bathes and smells like a dead goat, rubs one out in public every day and screams obscenities at everyone, are you discriminating against him and being a bigoted, narrow-minded hater for criticizing him and rejecting him and his behavior, or are you being normal and calling it what it is: unacceptable?

Throughout history in most cultures, transvestism, transgenderism, and other sex-related aberrant behaviors were condemned and seen as perversions, attacks upon normalcy, and generally regarded as affronts to common decency and at odds with a healthy society. It may have always existed, but it was recognized as aberrant, bad for society, and certainly not encouraged, let alone celebrated. They aren't being discriminated against any more than adulterers, embezzlers, non-bathers, public masturbators, flashers, rude jerks, or any other group exhibiting unacceptable behavior. You don't think of it as discrimination when those people are ostracized, rejected, or criticized. Same for transgenders. They exhibit disturbed, poorly adjusted, aberrant behavior, and most of us aren't going to welcome them into society and our children's schools and cheer them on. Their behavior is disturbed and disturbing, and bad for society. No matter how much a few of you gush over them and virtue signal to the rest of your bubble, it doesn't change that fact.

I feel for them and think we should offer help, but those of you cheering them on are doing them a disservice in the same way that encouraging a schizophrenic by telling him his delusions and the voices he hears are real, or telling someone suffering from anorexia that their body image is accurate and they should get liposuction and keep starving themselves. Transgenderism is not a healthy, normal, valid identity issue. It's a mental disorder. Some of you are so concerned about toeing the party line and virtue signaling, that you're willing to say anything, despite the damage it does to those people, to children being groomed by them, and to society at large.
 

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I respect that you said my “remarks” are repugnant. That’s progress.

In turn, I am saying their transgenderism is a flaw, and that flaw is ugly. The flaw not the person is ugly. You are making the common error of assuming one characteristic defines the whole of a person and just because I see that one characteristic as a flaw that I totally want to throw away the whole person. The transgenderism is a blemish, not the entire person. I’m not sure why you guys don’t get it…. But then again I’ve argued with you all before so it’s all or nothing with you guys. Agree with me or you’re a fucking bigoted angry white man, very productive.
That “flaw” that shouldn’t be seen is their humanity. I can’t understand how you are missing that. It’s like telling all gingers to wear hats because the blondes find them repugnant. The brunettes have a choice to defend the minority gingers in pursuit of a civil society or shrug it off because it doesn’t affect them. Guess which one I am? This is how society evolves. Ugly” is subjective. Your remarks were far more ugly that a man wearing pumps.
 
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For those of you on the Left shouting about society demonizing and hating and discriminating against trans people, you're intentionally missing the point and trying to shape the discussion in a dishonest way. Society has ALWAYS denounced certain groups for their behavior when that behavior was generally deemed offensive, repugnant, perverted, and/or not conducive to promoting a healthy society. We reject murderers, rapists, molesters, and wife beaters for those very reasons. We aren't discriminating against them. Their behavior is unacceptable in a healthy society and dangerous to it. As for non-criminal behavior, society generally rejects those with atrocious social skills and manners, poor hygiene, chronic nose-pickers, loud and boorish people, those who are over the top self-absorbed and rude to everyone around them, those with personality traits that make them act well outside of social norms, racists, and so on. If your neighbor, who never bathes and smells like a dead goat, rubs one out in public every day and screams obscenities at everyone, are you discriminating against him and being a bigoted, narrow-minded hater for criticizing him and rejecting him and his behavior, or are you being normal and calling it what it is: unacceptable?

Throughout history in most cultures, transvestism, transgenderism, and other sex-related aberrant behaviors were condemned and seen as perversions, attacks upon normalcy, and generally regarded as affronts to common decency and at odds with a healthy society. It may have always existed, but it was recognized as aberrant, bad for society, and certainly not encouraged, let alone celebrated. They aren't being discriminated against any more than adulterers, embezzlers, non-bathers, public masturbators, flashers, rude jerks, or any other group exhibiting unacceptable behavior. You don't think of it as discrimination when those people are ostracized, rejected, or criticized. Same for transgenders. They exhibit disturbed, poorly adjusted, aberrant behavior, and most of us aren't going to welcome them into society and our children's schools and cheer them on. Their behavior is disturbed and disturbing, and bad for society. No matter how much a few of you gush over them and virtue signal to the rest of your bubble, it doesn't change that fact.

I feel for them and think we should offer help, but those of you cheering them on are doing them a disservice in the same way that encouraging a schizophrenic by telling him his delusions and the voices he hears are real, or telling someone suffering from anorexia that their body image is accurate and they should get liposuction and keep starving themselves. Transgenderism is not a healthy, normal, valid identity issue. It's a mental disorder. Some of you are so concerned about toeing the party line and virtue signaling, that you're willing to say anything, despite the damage it does to those people, to children being groomed by them, and to society at large.
Society used to denounced blacks, Jews, Italians, Irish, Japanese, and German at one time or another. It’s true. But society improved. How about we just skip to the improving part this time and stop pretending that this isn’t just more of the same intolerance as it always has been.
 

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That “flaw” that shouldn’t be seen is their humanity. I can’t understand how you are missing that. It’s like telling all gingers to wear hats because the blondes find them repugnant. The brunettes should either cowardly shrug their shoulders or say how ridiculous the blondes are being. “Ugly” is subjective. Your remarks were far more ugly that a man wearing pumps.

To your first sentence… That’s your opinion.

To the rest…. In 1922, the American Association of State Highway Officials met to determine a standard design for stop signs, and that's where they decided on the color—yellow. Wait, what? Yes, stop signs were yellow because they thought that would grab drivers' attention. They'd also considered red, but there was no dye available at the time that wouldn't eventually fade. By 1954, however, sign makers had access to red dye. Why does that matter and why am I telling this story… because I am responding your post that didn’t make any sense either.
 

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To your first sentence… That’s your opinion.

To the rest…. In 1922, the American Association of State Highway Officials met to determine a standard design for stop signs, and that's where they decided on the color—yellow. Wait, what? Yes, stop signs were yellow because they thought that would grab drivers' attention. They'd also considered red, but there was no dye available at the time that wouldn't eventually fade. By 1954, however, sign makers had access to red dye. Why does that matter and why am I telling this story… because I am responding your post that didn’t make any sense either.
And your disagreement is your opinion. Since this is a free country, how about we let them decide how to present themselves. Crazy idea, huh?
 

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Society used to denounced blacks, Jews, Italians, Irish, Japanese, and German at one time or another. It’s true. But society improved. How about we just skip to the improving part this time and stop pretending that this isn’t just more of the same intolerance as it always has been.
Being Black, Jewish, Italian, Irish, Japanese, or German aren't mental disorders or aberrant behaviors we should treat instead of encourage.
 

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Being Black, Jewish, Italian, Irish, Japanese, or German aren't mental disorders or aberrant behaviors we should treat instead of encourage.
No. The mental disorder is in the failure to understand that all of them are just people with the labels we slap on them so we can single them out for judgment. And some just don’t think they are the right kind of people to have rights I guess.
 

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And your disagreement is your opinion. Since this is a free country, how about we let them decide how to present themselves. Crazy idea, huh?
“It’s a free country” is a cop out. You know better. Forget law and order then. Meth and fentanyl laws be damned because high and unproductive is how I want to present myself. I just want to walk around naked because I didn’t feel like getting dressed today and I have a big dick an awesome tattoo I want people to see on my ass hole.
 

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No. The mental disorder is in the failure to understand that all of them are just people with the labels we slap on them so we can single them out for judgment. And some just don’t think they are the right kind of people to have rights I guess.
Look at all these labels… we didn’t make them. They did to single themselves out. Pronouns some of have never heard of and forcing us to use them.
 

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“It’s a free country” is a cop out. You know better. Forget law and order then. Meth and fentanyl laws be damned because high and unproductive is how I want to present myself. I just want to walk around naked because I didn’t feel like getting dressed today and I have a big dick an awesome tattoo I want people to see on my ass hole.
You do you, man. There are laws against some of that stuff, but I won’t be mad at ya. Free speech is a man wearing a brassier, a skirt and stockings while walking down Main Street, my man. It’s also the guys who turn up their noses at them and nash their teeth at how they are the next group on the hate train. Time to evolve. 😂
 
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Look at all these labels… we didn’t make them. They did to single themselves out. Pronouns some of have never heard of and forcing us to use them.
Forcing you? I can’t remember the last time I just the alphabet soup language that they hold a gun to your head and force you to use.
 
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You do you, man. There are laws against some of that stuff, but I won’t be mad at ya. Free speech is a man wearing a brassier, an skirt and stockings while walking down Main Street, my man. It’s also the guys who turn up their noses at them and mash their teeth at how they are the next group on the hate train. Time to evolve. 😂
Laws be damned. It makes me feel good. And my naked body is my free expression. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Forcing you? I can’t remember the last time I just the alphabet soup language, they hold a gun to your head and force you to use.
Yes. Have you ever taught at any college or university? I am former social worker and this is a big reason.
 

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Yes. Have you ever taught at any college or university? I am former social worker and this is a big reason.
Hell no. They are all liberal grooming factories. 😁 Also, probably best you said “former” for everyone’s sake.
 
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Hell no. They are all liberal grooming factories. 😁 Also, probably. Est you said “former” for everyone’s sake.
But to the point… yes I have been told/forced to use the alphabet soup of pronouns. I’m better for leaving… social worker not so much.
 

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But to the point… yes I have been told/forced to use the alphabet soup of pronouns. I’m better for leaving… social worker not so much.
I’m not being a smartass. I seriously think you’d have been miserable.
 

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I’m not being a smartass. I seriously think you’d have been miserable.
Most fulfilling time of my life. I loved it. Working in the very inner city I grew up in. I’m sure if I went private and went on my own it would have been more lucrative but less fulfilling because it’s private pay so I’d be working with young rich kids that have performance and life balance issues. That would be miserable.
 

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“It’s a free country” is a cop out. You know better. Forget law and order then. Meth and fentanyl laws be damned because high and unproductive is how I want to present myself. I just want to walk around naked because I didn’t feel like getting dressed today and I have a big dick an awesome tattoo I want people to see on my ass hole.
You know transgendered people have to follow the same laws as you and I right? I don’t want to see any of your assholes.
 

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You know transgendered people have to follow the same laws as you and I right? I don’t want to see any of your assholes.
No way! I heard we landed on the moon too.

So because you don’t want to see my asshole, you are suppressing my expression to show my asshole? Seems oppressive. Free country, right? That was the point I was making. Saying “Free Country” is a cop out.
 

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No way! I heard we landed on the moon too.

So because you don’t want to see my asshole, you are suppressing my expression to show my asshole? Seems oppressive. Free country, right? That was the point I was making. Saying “Free Country” is a cop out.
I guess I'm just not sure what your desired outcome even is. What laws are transgendered people breaking? Or would break?
 

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I'm saying that those who choose to pick on a group of people who are different and just want to belong are not strong, by any means. Whether it's being scared, ignorant, or hateful - those are not traits of a "strong man".

Society has been getting progressively less violent throughout history. There is a reason the most progressive places in the world have the least amount of violence and the highest standard of living.

The blame falls on the gun because you see other countries that have similar societal pressures and have exponentially less gun violence. The tradeoff for owning a gun is having higher gun related crimes, there is no "both" option.

These constructs have been relevant for 1000's of years and there is documented historical precedence for people being non-binary. This isn't new. The uproar that is being seen now is reflexively towards the acceptance that these people are finally receiving in the mainstream. Similar to how many of the confederate statues were added during the Jim Crow era or the 60's. The outrage is done to remind those there is still prejudice out there and that those groups should know they are still considered inequal members of society.

If people truly cared about "mental health" or "children" they would address the material issues that go unaddressed.

No way! I heard we landed on the moon too.

So because you don’t want to see my asshole, you are suppressing my expression to show my asshole? Seems oppressive. Free country, right? That was the point I was making. Saying “Free Country” is a cop out.
Thoughts?
 

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I guess I'm just not sure what your desired outcome even is. What laws are transgendered people breaking? Or would break?
You just are not getting it. I was responding to the "it's a free country" comment, not that trans people are breaking any laws. You are trying too heard to connect dots that don't exist.
 

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You just are not getting it. I was responding to the "it's a free country" comment, not that trans people are breaking any laws. You are trying too heard to connect dots that don't exist.
I’m asking for clarification on why “it’s a free country” isn’t a valid response to this issue. You listed a bunch of illegal things to illustrate that just because it’s a free country doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want. Understood.

So I’m asking what laws do you think should be instituted that trans people would be breaking?
 

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I assume you are wanting me to respond to you....

I'm saying that those who choose to pick on a group of people who are different and just want to belong are not strong, by any means. Whether it's being scared, ignorant, or hateful - those are not traits of a "strong man".
I am not following. I think you are going on your own rabbit trail here.

Society has been getting progressively less violent throughout history. There is a reason the most progressive places in the world have the least amount of violence and the highest standard of living.
If people truly cared about "mental health" or "children" they would address the material issues that go unaddressed.

Ok fine. My point still remains... social confusion and social contagion. 1 in 5 youth now "identify" as some letter in the alphabet. There are 150 different genders. We conduct transition surgery on kids... some without parental knowledge or permission. There are rules to diagnostic decisions... standards... in order to fulfill the obligations of your profession. If someone comes to you and says, "I feel like I have cancer" that is not grounds for diagnosis and obviously not enough for surgery. We have gender-affirming therapists that do the same thing. If an elementary-age kid comes to a school therapist and says that he thinks he's gay or the opposite sex... they affirm, they don't investigate or do anything but take their word for it. My elementary-aged kid still thinks he is going to be a superhero like a spiderman, where is his affirming care? The point is these kids are so confused by the time they reach HS graduation. If a kid fails a test and then calls himself a retard, then his teachers and therapists call him a retard because of a self-proclamation when he was 7... the kid will grow up thinking he is a retard. Point is, these kids are confused. Then they enter society confused... so don't complain about society if you are the one promoting this confusion. I agree there are so many unaddressed issues with mental health and children... unfortunately we are putting way too many resources in this gendering idea. That, as I stated earlier, has no defined standard of care or diagnostic reasoning.
 

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I’m asking for clarification on why “it’s a free country” isn’t a valid response to this issue. You listed a bunch of illegal things to illustrate that just because it’s a free country doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want. Understood.

So I’m asking what laws do you think should be instituted that trans people would be breaking?
Asked and answered. Yeesh.
 
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