Politics

[ulukinatme]

I'm surprised Abrams doesn't have a bigger lead in Georgia. She seems like a popular up-and-comer the last few years and Kemp isn't that well liked.
I saw something where the Crist campaign was touting that he was neck and neck with DeSantis in Florida, but fivethirtyeight has DeSantis by almost 7 points at the moment which seems more likely.
The Texas Governor race is another I don't care for. Abbott isn't great, but dislike Beto just as much or more. Hard to believe those are the best Texas can offer.

 

[drayer54]

I'm surprised Abrams doesn't have a bigger lead in Georgia. She seems like a popular up-and-comer the last few years and Kemp isn't that well liked.
I saw something where the Crist campaign was touting that he was neck and neck with DeSantis in Florida, but fivethirtyeight has DeSantis by almost 7 points at the moment which seems more likely.
The Texas Governor race is another I don't care for. Abbott isn't great, but dislike Beto just as much or more. Hard to believe those are the best Texas can offer.

I think all three of those will be solid R wins.

Kemp in particular has been showing strong. The people of Georgia have had an intro to Abrams. She’s awful and an election denier.

What scares me for Kemp is turnout. The fringe may not forgive him for not going with Trumpers election bs.

I hope Beto runs every year.

DeSantis is a lock.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think all three of those will be solid R wins.

Kemp in particular has been showing strong. The people of Georgia have had an intro to Abrams. She’s awful and an election denier.

What scares me for Kemp is turnout. The fringe may not forgive him for not going with Trumpers election bs.

I hope Beto runs every year.

DeSantis is a lock.

The one I really don't get is the Georgia 14th Congressional Seat. It's between Marjorie Taylor Greene and Marcus Flowers. USA Today said it was the costliest House race in the country. Greene is a loudmouth that often seems to step in it, but her district has consistently voted conservative at roughly 73% for the last several election cycles. The only way I see her getting beaten is in a primary, and she pulled in 70% of the GOP votes there too. That's why I don't get why the Democrats are dumping so much money into this one, seems like a very unlikely flip.

Greene war chest tops $2.6 million; Democrat Flowers sitting on $900,000 in GA14 Congressional race

U.S. Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Rome, is still spending money faster than she’s taking it in, but she’s heading into the campaign season with more than $2.6 million in the

www.northwestgeorgianews.com

 

[Irish#1]

I know you are but what am I?

Many would support someone with actual concrete ideas, becoming the party of "anti-woke" is not providing solutions. Being the party of corporate socialism by providing bailouts and PPP loans to your friends is not sound policy. Claiming to be against government intervention but starting legal fights with tech companies and Disney doesn't sound very Small Government to me.

Anyways I'm sure I'll see follow up with ideas and actual strategies, not just another list of grievances that center around people being big meanies.

By bailout, I assume your were also against the money Joe sent everyone as well as the student loan bailout for individuals? That's big government in every sense of the term.

 

[Irish#1]

Losing. They're scared of losing.

They saw what happened in Kansas. It was on the ballot and the people spoke. Some Republican candidates at the state and Federal level on the ballot in November are walking back their stances, especially the "no exceptions" types. Too late. You'd think they would know they overplayed their hand already with SCOTUS, but now proposing a national ban with Lindsey Graham spearheading it? Horrible political strategy.

The states with the biggest increases so far in women as a share of new registered voters, pre/post Dobbs:

- KS (defeated anti-choice amendment)
- AK (elected a Dem woman to US House)
- PA (Trumper Gov candidate pushing 6 week ban)
- AZ (impending 15 wk ban)
- OH (6 wk ban)

Things are also happening in NV, NC, FL, WI. What to these and the ones above share in common?

31 states have also seen voters under the age of 25 account for a larger share of new registrants since Dobbs.

I think the SCOTUS decision on R v W hurt the Repubs some, but I'm not sure anyone really knows at this time. Those in favor of abortion tend to be more vocal than those opposing abortion.

 

[drayer54]

The one I really don't get is the Georgia 14th Congressional Seat. It's between Marjorie Taylor Greene and Marcus Flowers. USA Today said it was the costliest House race in the country. Greene is a loudmouth that often seems to step in it, but her district has consistently voted conservative at roughly 73% for the last several election cycles. The only way I see her getting beaten is in a primary, and she pulled in 70% of the GOP votes there too. That's why I don't get why the Democrats are dumping so much money into this one, seems like a very unlikely flip.

Greene war chest tops $2.6 million; Democrat Flowers sitting on $900,000 in GA14 Congressional race

U.S. Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Rome, is still spending money faster than she’s taking it in, but she’s heading into the campaign season with more than $2.6 million in the

www.northwestgeorgianews.com

I’m a pretty solid R and I wouldn’t mind looking the other way and seeing this seat go. I worked in politics for a bit and happen to have some detailed knowledge of the staff she hired and thus how she does business.
I mean, the people should get their candidate but similar to my opposition of Cheney, she doesn’t represent the party.

I think the SCOTUS decision on R v W hurt the Repubs some, but I'm not sure anyone really knows at this time. Those in favor of abortion tend to be more vocal than those opposing abortion.

Numbers are all over on where this will be as a priority, but if you’re pissed at your gas and grocery bill and nervous about surging crime, this one could fall. I personally don’t think abortion is big for swing voters.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think the SCOTUS decision on R v W hurt the Repubs some, but I'm not sure anyone really knows at this time. Those in favor of abortion tend to be more vocal than those opposing abortion.

This seems relative.

 

[TorontoGold]

By bailout, I assume your were also against the money Joe sent everyone as well as the student loan bailout for individuals? That's big government in every sense of the term.

You skimmed my post, I said corporate socialism and the fact that many here don't have an issue with it. I didn't see that in your response. I'll state it hopefully clearer for you, why does a party that prides its self on the free market provide bailouts to corporations willy nilly and gives them numerous safety blankets in case they fail? Why is that supported?

I have no issue (or less of an issue) with individuals receiving support in comparison to corporate entities receiving support.

 

[Irish#1]

You skimmed my post, I said corporate socialism and the fact that many here don't have an issue with it. I didn't see that in your response. I'll state it hopefully clearer for you, why does a party that prides its self on the free market provide bailouts to corporations willy nilly and gives them numerous safety blankets in case they fail? Why is that supported?

I have no issue (or less of an issue) with individuals receiving support in comparison to corporate entities receiving support.

No, I didn't skim. My reading comprehension is lacking, but let me make it clearer for you. I'm not in favor of bailing out corporations in general. There might be some situations that warrant it, but in general, no. I was not in favor of bailing out the banks after the mortgage fiasco. "No issue or less of an issue" with individuals is pretty much what I suspected you to say. You want businesses to stand on their own two feet but it's okay for individuals to shirk their responsibility?

 

[TorontoGold]

No, I didn't skim. My reading comprehension is lacking, but let me make it clearer for you. I'm not in favor of bailing out corporations in general. There might be some situations that warrant it, but in general, no. I was not in favor of bailing out the banks after the mortgage fiasco. "No issue or less of an issue" with individuals is pretty much what I suspected you to say. You want businesses to stand on their own two feet but it's okay for individuals to shirk their responsibility?

Thank you, I'm glad we can agree on that. Likely have a lot of shared opinions with pre-2016 items.

I'm nothing if not consistent. If we are to follow the capitalist market in which we exist in then we should embrace that and apply those principles. It is exponentially easier to recover payouts from the government to an individual, the government can trace a personal tax return to a benefits statement much easier for an individual than a corporation. Means testing is much stricter on payments to individuals than it is to corporations. I've dealt with this numerous times, an IRS audit with an individual is much more cut and dry than a corporation.

I would much rather Joe Smith get $1K from the government that will be likely used immediately in the economy. If a corporation gets the $1K than it is much more likely to be put aside for bonus payouts to the owner and will likely be saved within the company.

I'm going to assume the shirk'ing of responsibility you're getting at is regarding the student loans for $10-20K. I imagine that is less than the full cost for a 4 year degree. On the flipside, PPP loans are subject to full forgiveness and pretty easy guidelines PPP loan forgiveness

The student loan forgiveness is estimated to cost $519B - Forgiving up to $20,000 in student debt could cost the U.S. $519 billion
PPP loan forgiveness cost as of Aug 2022 was 94% of $954B so $897B - Two Years Later, Was The PPP Worth It?.

Breaking it down, the PPP loans were $378B more costly than the estimated student loan costs. So, putting the emotional side of individual vs corporation aside, it makes more financial sense to care more about the PPP loans.

The last point I'm sure you'll bring up is inflation and the impacts of payouts on that. Obviously inflation isn't good. With any influx of liquidity a country/economy will experience inflationary pressures, which what we are seeing. It's part of the cost of a bailout when a black swan type event wipes out an economy.

Anyways, look forward to your response and perspective that I might not have considered.

 

[drayer54]

Comparing PPP to student loan debt transfer is so dishonest. I have zero student loan debt, except my fair share as a taxpayer thanks to Joe Biden’s pen. PPP loans were designed to be forgiven for payroll and approved by Congress. I also got zero from PPP.

Student loan transfer is bullshit. The concept is crap and people should pay their debts. This does nothing to fix the problem of runaway college cost and is a slap in the face to everyone not benefitting.

 

[TorontoGold]

1) I made a comment as to how there is no comments regarding the PPP loans
2) #1 asked about my thoughts on student loans, I provided them as why I think it's less of an issue
3) My position was supported with numbers to follow it up


If you follow that line of thinking, it actually was not "dishonest". I am curious to hear how you have more of an issue with the larger handout to corporations, than you do with direct relief provided to individuals.

Something that costs $378B more, surely would be a larger issue to a fiscal conservative, right?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Something that costs $378B more, surely would be a larger issue to a fiscal conservative, right?

In my experience, it all depends on who is doing the spending.

On a side note, again, seriously: are Mickey and Pluto having sex?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Greene is a loudmouth that often seems to step in it...

No, that's Terry Bradshaw.

She's fucking nuts. You don't even need to say it loud for the audience in the back.

 

[drayer54]

My first issue is that I don’t believe Biden had the authority and abused his power with a bs Covid excuse.
My second issue is that student debt was never passed by Congress.
Third- PPP and student loan forgiveness are different. Two PPP bills dont justify student loan transfer. PPP was to address a problem during forced lockdowns.

Yes, it’s dishonest.

The whole ppp gimmick came from White House comms pushing a divisive class warfare lie, which is ironic. It ignored that it isn’t the poor who benefit from this and that it’s completely unfair and a bribe to a preferred voter demographic from the pen of a President. So no, my objections to policies aren’t sorted by price tag.

 

[TorontoGold]

My first issue is that I don’t believe Biden had the authority and abused his power with a bs Covid excuse.
My second issue is that student debt was never passed by Congress.
Third- PPP and student loan forgiveness are different. Two PPP bills dont justify student loan transfer. PPP was to address a problem during forced lockdowns.

Yes, it’s dishonest.

The whole ppp gimmick came from White House comms pushing a divisive class warfare lie, which is ironic. It ignored that it isn’t the poor who benefit from this and that it’s completely unfair and a bribe to a preferred voter demographic from the pen of a President. So no, my objections to policies aren’t sorted by price tag.

Ok so to break it down.

1) You don't believe Biden has the authority to do so. Ok, so this is an issue with the actual process of how it was passed then?
2) Again, this is a process issue?
3) You are correct they are different. However, my initial point that #1 was responding to is if I had an issue with student debt vs PPP. I pointed out that PPP cost more and had a less direct impact on an individual. I am waiting to see his response on that.

What about my argument is dishonest? You made your points, but didn't say what of mine were dishonest.

So in summary your issues with the student debt relief is that the process in which it was passed, and who got it? And that $378B is less of an issue than the actual process it was carried out in.

Tldr: Emotions > Cost. From a fiscal conservative. lol.

 

[drayer54]

Ok so to break it down.

1) You don't believe Biden has the authority to do so. Ok, so this is an issue with the actual process of how it was passed then?
2) Again, this is a process issue?
3) You are correct they are different. However, my initial point that #1 was responding to is if I had an issue with student debt vs PPP. I pointed out that PPP cost more and had a less direct impact on an individual. I am waiting to see his response on that.

What about my argument is dishonest? You made your points, but didn't say what of mine were dishonest.

So in summary your issues with the student debt relief is that the process in which it was passed, and who got it? And that $378B is less of an issue than the actual process it was carried out in.

Tldr: Emotions > Cost. From a fiscal conservative. lol.

It has nothing to do with emotion or cost. The American Rescue Plan cost more- does that justify student debt transfer?

No. The argument is irrelevant

 

[TorontoGold]

It has nothing to do with emotion or cost. The American Rescue Plan cost more- does that justify student debt transfer?

No. The argument is irrelevant

Please keep up, I said people are more upset at the student debt transfer than they are with PPP. I compared those two.

Your arguments are based in emotions and process. If you were truly a fiscal conservative you would have more of an issue with the large $$$ discrepancy. You want your grievances about process to trump the cost AND the benefit.

Where is Bishop to tell me that all Leftists are emotional and don't argue with reason? Boy isn't this ironic lmao.

 

[drayer54]

Please keep up, I said people are more upset at the student debt transfer than they are with PPP. I compared those two.

Your arguments are based in emotions and process. If you were truly a fiscal conservative you would have more of an issue with the large $$$ discrepancy. You want your grievances about process to trump the cost AND the benefit.

Where is Bishop to tell me that all Leftists are emotional and don't argue with reason? Boy isn't this ironic lmao.

I’m not obligated to fit into you’re narrow box of those who don’t subscribe to your illogical thought process. I don’t have to sort by $.

PPP was passed on bipartisan votes for a purpose. The Inflation Reduction Act drives me nuts because it was a partisan cash grab with an Orwellian name that actually makes inflation worse passed on a partisan basis. The American Rescue Plan was a partisan cash toss that drove inflation. The student loan handout was an executive action and abuse of power that served as a bribe to a political base and backed up with zero defense from the administration except that billionaires get tax breaks and republicans supported ppp, so this was really no big deal. The blue cult mindlessly followed in lock step and turned ppp into a rich people handout to justify this, even though it’s as valid as their claims that the border is secure, Republicans defunded police, inflation is transitory, and Republicans are fascists.

 

[TorontoGold]

I’m not obligated to fit into you’re narrow box of those who don’t subscribe to your illogical thought process. I don’t have to sort by $.

PPP was passed on bipartisan votes for a purpose. The Inflation Reduction Act drives me nuts because it was a partisan cash grab with an Orwellian name that actually makes inflation worse passed on a partisan basis. The American Rescue Plan was a partisan cash toss that drove inflation. The student loan handout was an executive action and abuse of power that served as a bribe to a political base and backed up with zero defense from the administration except that billionaires get tax breaks and republicans supported ppp, so this was really no big deal. The blue cult mindlessly followed in lock step and turned ppp into a rich people handout to justify this, even though it’s as valid as their claims that the border is secure, Republicans defunded police, inflation is transitory, and Republicans are fascists.

I literally laid out my thought process, you called it dishonest (not sure you know what dishonest actually means) I laid out why I liked the student debt relief more than the PPP.

I don't even know what to respond to the word salad of grievances in the second paragraph. I'm dishonest because I prefer direct relief to individuals over businesses, and it's cheaper but you're the honest broker because uhhhhhh blue cult! defund police! republicans are fascists! Orwell!!

I don't many people who call themselves fiscally conservative that look past a $378B discrepancy because they didn't like the process.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[drayer54]

I literally laid out my thought process, you called it dishonest (not sure you know what dishonest actually means) I laid out why I liked the student debt relief more than the PPP.

I don't even know what to respond to the word salad of grievances in the second paragraph. I'm dishonest because I prefer direct relief to individuals over businesses, and it's cheaper but you're the honest broker because uhhhhhh blue cult! defund police! republicans are fascists! Orwell!!

I don't many people who call themselves fiscally conservative that look past a $378B discrepancy because they didn't like the process.

Again- comparing the two like they are the same thing is dishonest. PPP and College handouts are very different things. When defending the college debt transfer, any defense that shifts to PPP is a dishonest diversion to avoid defending the stupidity of the bailout.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

How fiscally conservative is it to send a couple of plane loads of migrants to Martha's Vineyard on the taxpayer dime so it can go viral for a little bit?

On that note, same guy also sends first responders $1000 checks but forgets to tell everyone that the money came from funding from the American Rescue Plan.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

How fiscally conservative is it to send a couple of plane loads of migrants to Martha's Vineyard on the taxpayer dime so it can go viral for a little bit?

On that note, same guy also sends first responders $1000 checks but forgets to tell everyone that the money came from funding from the American Rescue Plan.

Its nothing new. Doing the exact same thing for exact same reasons.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

This behavior assumes that the people in the places where they're sending these migrants will be disgusted by them and think they're revolting. Problem is that DeSantis and Abbott assume that everyone is as shitty as they both are.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Seeing lawsuits have been filed against Abbott and DeSantis for basically being mules and illegally transporting aliens across state lines. Violation of Federal laws.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

His speech, the scenery, the military at his side, and his insane message was the most extreme speech I've ever seen from a President. It was completely uncalled for and divisive, to say the least.

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds."- Lincoln

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You may not like your political opponents, but for a man who "doesn't see red states or blue states" but his DOJ is weaponized against only one and has called his opponents fascist. Forget the disniformation chief, the collusion with big tech, deplatforming/de-banking conservatives, and partisan spending. It's insane.

The irony of this after 4 years of Trump is pure comedy:


But yes- the Biden speech resembled an angry dictator and not the voice of the free world. I'm not alone in thinking it was a low for our country.
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[Jiggafini19Deux]

Seeing lawsuits have been filed against Abbott and DeSantis for basically being mules and illegally transporting aliens across state lines. Violation of Federal laws.

Someone needs to explain to me how a Florida tax payer is ok with DeSantis using tax payer money to pick up migrants who were in Texas, not Florida, and fly them to Massachusetts.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]