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[ulukinatme]

Wow, dude. You straight up Q?

Did you even watch the video? I've seen more hate and violence at "peaceful protests."

I said at the start that there certainly should be some on January 6th that are locked up, but the evil insurrection narrative has been exaggerated from day one.

 

[drayer54]

Did you even watch the video? I've seen more hate and violence at "peaceful protests."

I said at the start that there certainly should be some on January 6th that are locked up, but the evil insurrection narrative has been exaggerated from day one.

I love watching people who looked the other way and excused billions of dollars of damage, violence, death, and destruction who pretend the moose man and idiots walking between the turnstiles were just too far.

I know two people who went to dc and made it home to the Midwest before they ever knew anything happened.
Its all a narrative game for some.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Wow, dude. You straight up Q?

Compare what these clowns did on Jan 6th to what we've seen Antifa doing in Portland for the past year, and try to say with a straight face which one is the bigger threat.

 

[drayer54]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1400182731967979522?s=20[/TWEET]

Cancel rent and mortgages. Fascinating idea. I wonder if the press will ask Democrats if they agree with this? Doubtful.

 

[ulukinatme]

Perpetual welfare state sounds just wonderful, lets just move into total socialism and watch everything burn.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1400182731967979522?s=20[/TWEET]

Cancel rent and mortgages. Fascinating idea. I wonder if the press will ask Democrats if they agree with this? Doubtful.

Was she here in 2008?

 

[NorthDakota]

Was she here in 2008?

I believe she was in Fargo, North Dakota at the time. So....not really.

We were basically untouched by the recession up here. In fact, a few of our banks took advantage of the housing crisis to buy out banks in Arizona. Tons of our farmers bought winter homes down there around that time as well.

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[drayer54]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1400447493041623041?s=20[/TWEET]

These people are idiots. I thought hiring private security and pushing defunding the police was her high point, but here we are trying to nationalize the power industry because Cori Bush had a defective space heater.

 

[GowerND11]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1400447493041623041?s=20[/TWEET]

These people are idiots. I thought hiring private security and pushing defunding the police was her high point, but here we are trying to nationalize the power industry because Cori Bush had a defective space heater.

How would nationalized power help at all? All the think tank idiots on Twitter agreeing with her is even more worrisome.

 

[drayer54]

How would nationalized power help at all? All the think tank idiots on Twitter agreeing with her is even more worrisome.

It wouldn't. at all.

This is Dems who think greed is the only reason we aren't 100% wind and solar today and have zero idea how the grid works. They don't realize that most states are aggressively pursuing de-carbonizations and renewable portfolio standards nor do they understand the reliability impacts, amount of transmission required, and differences in how you operate a more renewable grid.

They do have an appetite to nationalize things though.

 

[GowerND11]

It wouldn't. at all.

This is Dems who think greed is the only reason we aren't 100% wind and solar today and have zero idea how the grid works. They don't realize that most states are aggressively pursuing de-carbonizations and renewable portfolio standards nor do they understand the reliability impacts, amount of transmission required, and differences in how you operate a more renewable grid.

They do have an appetite to nationalize things though.

Oh I know. It truly amazes me that these people believe this crap. You used either a faulty heater, a faulty outlet/wires, or a combination of the two. The fire would still start. It's maddening.

 

[Sea Turtle]

lol, now that's funny.

Hopefully we respond to Russia and the other countries involved with this in a not so subtle way.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Oh I know. It truly amazes me that these people believe this crap. You used either a faulty heater, a faulty outlet/wires, or a combination of the two. The fire would still start. It's maddening.

There is a STRONG tendency from the Left on most subjects to make their arguments emotional instead of factual and rational: "But my baby could've died!" "Kids in cages!" "People will die!" "They're stealing our future!" "The sky is falling, it's the end of the world and the worst thing EVER" (said about flippin' everything!). "They want to put us in chains and go back to slavery days!" Little to no actual thought or reason or facts. Just rile up the simps with an emotional narrative and keep 'em riled up.

 

[ulukinatme]

lol, now that's funny.

Hopefully we respond to Russia and the other countries involved with this in a not so subtle way.

Maybe we can get an SEC bag man to slip some money to a hacker here to bring down the power grid in the offending country. US response "We have no connection to the hackers."

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

With these Fauci emails now out, is there any doubt that everything last year was done in effort to destroy the Trump economy and get him out office?

 

[PerthDomer]

With these Fauci emails now out, is there any doubt that everything last year was done in effort to destroy the Trump economy and get him out office?

Not sure what you're reading into them. I see a guy who was learning as he was going on and trying to stay nonpolitical while telling the truth as best he knew it at the time.

I think the tragedy is it's pretty clear intelligence wasn't communicating with the medical field and the FDA/CDC/NAIAD weren't communicating optimally.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Not sure what you're reading into them. I see a guy who was learning as he was going on and trying to stay nonpolitical while telling the truth as best he knew it at the time.

I think the tragedy is it's pretty clear intelligence wasn't communicating with the medical field and the FDA/CDC/NAIAD weren't communicating optimally.

A few points to consider:

1. In the first few months when this first hit, it's OK to have few answers to the questions. The big question is why did Fauci write an email in Feb of 2020 stating that use of a mask "is not really effective in keeping out the virus", simultaneously telling the whole world to mask up???

2. Why the hell are US taxpayers footing the bill for research in a Chinese lab?

3. Why was any speech shut down and called racist at the possibility that this virus came from said lab in China and not from a damn bat? But now that Trump is out, Fauci says he's open to that possibility.

4. The tragedy is tens of millions of people lost their jobs and livelihood, millions of children were robbed of one year of real education, mental health issues, drug/ alcohol issues, etc. for a virus that has a 99% survival rate.

 

[PerthDomer]

A few points to consider:

1. In the first few months when this first hit, it's OK to have few answers to the questions. The big question is why did Fauci write an email in Feb of 2020 stating that use of a mask "is not really effective in keeping out the virus", simultaneously telling the whole world to mask up???

2. Why the hell are US taxpayers footing the bill for research in a Chinese lab?

3. Why was any speech shut down and called racist at the possibility that this virus came from said lab in China and not from a damn bat? But now that Trump is out, Fauci says he's open to that possibility.

4. The tragedy is tens of millions of people lost their jobs and livelihood, millions of children were robbed of one year of real education, mental health issues, drug/ alcohol issues, etc. for a virus that has a 99% survival rate.

1. Mask guidance changed after february. His guidance to his friend continues to be consistent in that wearing the mask doesnt help the mask wearer evade infection, but stop them from transmitting. It does show he wasn't suppressing secret knowledge masks were needed at the outset.

2. If you want to do Coronavirus research (we do) you need to obtain them. Most come from China, hence grant's to get them. Coronavirus research helped us get remdesivir and a functional vaccine.

3. The initial lab leak theory was dismissed for a few reasons. 1. The virus (after initial concerns/look noted by a concerned scientist in an email) looks natural and natural origin is generally how new pandemics come about. The wet market hypothesis was thrown out there initially due to similarities with SARS emergence. Natural origin theories now generally don't see the wet market as the jumping to people event. Just an early super spreader event. 2. Many initial conspiratorial people describe it as a bioweapon which no serious lab proponent supports. The pieces of data making it more likely are COVID having better receptor binding to human than any animal ACE receptor. In SARS it was equal between Civets (pangolins? I forget) and people. And reports of 3 scientists going to the hospital.

The lab leak determination is important because this could be a bio equivalent of chernobyl, which led to abandoning the nuclear industry in much of europe/USA despite it being due to severe design flaws. If it came out of nature it adds support to aggressive research to help us better handle the next pandemic. Besides Redfield and a few others most scientists still lean towards natural origin. In science we conflate unlikely with impossible a lot. If I talked to a layman and thought there was a 1% chance I was wrong I'd say something that might sound like impossible. 10% chance I'm wrong and I broadcast more uncertainty. Especially in biology there's rarely 100% certainty so it can be hard to talk effectively to the public without sounding like you're totally unsure of what's going on. Even if you're pretty damn sure.

4. We know from early animal research and now experience the evolutionary path of COVID has made it more deadly. Something with a 1% IFR in the world of modern medicine is devastating. If it can spread quickly it can paralyze society. A quick look at India, Italy, Wuhan, or NYC can show you that. The initial reason we didnt shut everything down is people were worried about the non covid impacts you discussed. But as this worsened the costs of inaction became clear.

 

[IrishRazor82]

With these Fauci emails now out, is there any doubt that everything last year was done in effort to destroy the Trump economy and get him out office?

Very little doubt and if there's a bet to place today, I agree with you. The sabotaging of his presidency is already obvious in many ways but I expect it to become blatantly undeniable in the next couple of years. His policies were too good to compete with so it was an all out assault on a smear campaign and lies.

 

[Irish#1]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1400182731967979522?s=20[/TWEET]

Cancel rent and mortgages. Fascinating idea. I wonder if the press will ask Democrats if they agree with this? Doubtful.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1400447493041623041?s=20[/TWEET]

These people are idiots. I thought hiring private security and pushing defunding the police was her high point, but here we are trying to nationalize the power industry because Cori Bush had a defective space heater.

What is wrong with these people? Or worse, what's wrong with the people that elected them? I'd be curious what some of our Dem friends think about these comments, but they seem to have disappeared.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1. Mask guidance changed after february. His guidance to his friend continues to be consistent in that wearing the mask doesnt help the mask wearer evade infection, but stop them from transmitting. It does show he wasn't suppressing secret knowledge masks were needed at the outset.

2. If you want to do Coronavirus research (we do) you need to obtain them. Most come from China, hence grant's to get them. Coronavirus research helped us get remdesivir and a functional vaccine.

3. The initial lab leak theory was dismissed for a few reasons. 1. The virus (after initial concerns/look noted by a concerned scientist in an email) looks natural and natural origin is generally how new pandemics come about. The wet market hypothesis was thrown out there initially due to similarities with SARS emergence. Natural origin theories now generally don't see the wet market as the jumping to people event. Just an early super spreader event. 2. Many initial conspiratorial people describe it as a bioweapon which no serious lab proponent supports. The pieces of data making it more likely are COVID having better receptor binding to human than any animal ACE receptor. In SARS it was equal between Civets (pangolins? I forget) and people. And reports of 3 scientists going to the hospital.

The lab leak determination is important because this could be a bio equivalent of chernobyl, which led to abandoning the nuclear industry in much of europe/USA despite it being due to severe design flaws. If it came out of nature it adds support to aggressive research to help us better handle the next pandemic. Besides Redfield and a few others most scientists still lean towards natural origin. In science we conflate unlikely with impossible a lot. If I talked to a layman and thought there was a 1% chance I was wrong I'd say something that might sound like impossible. 10% chance I'm wrong and I broadcast more uncertainty. Especially in biology there's rarely 100% certainty so it can be hard to talk effectively to the public without sounding like you're totally unsure of what's going on. Even if you're pretty damn sure.

4. We know from early animal research and now experience the evolutionary path of COVID has made it more deadly. Something with a 1% IFR in the world of modern medicine is devastating. If it can spread quickly it can paralyze society. A quick look at India, Italy, Wuhan, or NYC can show you that. The initial reason we didnt shut everything down is people were worried about the non covid impacts you discussed. But as this worsened the costs of inaction became clear.

I call BS on number 1. Not on you...on Fauci.

Good point on 2

On 3...why is Fauci now open to the theory that the origin was lab but completely dismissed that last year at this time?

On 4: we paralyzed ourselves more than the virus did.

 

[NorthDakota]

I call BS on number 1. Not on you...on Fauci.

Good point on 2

On 3...why is Fauci now open to the theory that the origin was lab but completely dismissed that last year at this time?

On 4: we paralyzed ourselves more than the virus did.

Whether its natural or not, i don't know. Science is not a strong suit of mine but I'm not a complete moron (sometimes).

But:
A.) they study these types of viruses there at the lab.
B.) Scientists are always worried about funding. I think they'd move heaven and earth to avoid blame here. If it happens to be the scientific community that did this, they are going to be public enemy #1.
C.) Its China. Commies ain't known for adherence to safety protocols.

The government as a whole has screwed a lot of this up. The stuff over the last few months seemed particularly egregious. The halt of J&J hurt bad. Fauci and (mostly Dem) vaccinated politicians going on TV wearing masks and social distancing was the worst optics for anything medical in my lifetime.

The US has a pretty substantial anti-vax community. I think we all have mom friends on Facebook sharing weird links at an obsessive frequency. The way the Feds and many states handled it was very very very convenient for any vaccine skeptic to say "no thanks."

Show even a tiny bit of confidence in the product you are pushing if you want people to take it. Fauci sucks and should retire or be fired. The lady at the CDC should as well. Anyone remember that goofy broad saying something like "I have a sense of impending doom" or some weird nonsense like that? Or that she wouldn't be allowing her kid to go to summer camp? Like Jesus H....,nobody is ever going to listen to that agency again and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Irish#1]

C.) Its China. Commies ain't known for adherence to safety protocols.

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Regardless of where this leads us (I don't think we'll ever get the real answer), you hit the nail on the head. It's China. They are controlling everything in their country associated with this. No one really knows how many Chinese have been vaccinated, how many died and what happened in the lab. Bad optics for communism.

 

[drayer54]

An excerpt from Joe Manchin's Op-ed is very reasonable and well done. Others have called it white supremacy. https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opini...cle_c7eb2551-a500-5f77-aa37-2e42d0af870f.html

Unfortunately, we now are witnessing that the fundamental right to vote has itself become overtly politicized. Today’s debate about how to best protect our right to vote and to hold elections, however, is not about finding common ground, but seeking partisan advantage. Whether it is state laws that seek to needlessly restrict voting or politicians who ignore the need to secure our elections, partisan policymaking won’t instill confidence in our democracy — it will destroy it.

As such, congressional action on federal voting rights legislation must be the result of both Democrats and Republicans coming together to find a pathway forward or we risk further dividing and destroying the republic we swore to protect and defend as elected officials.

Democrats in Congress have proposed a sweeping election reform bill called the For the People Act. This more than 800-page bill has garnered zero Republican support. Why? Are the very Republican senators who voted to impeach Trump because of actions that led to an attack on our democracy unwilling to support actions to strengthen our democracy? Are these same senators, whom many in my party applauded for their courage, now threats to the very democracy we seek to protect?

The truth, I would argue, is that voting and election reform that is done in a partisan manner will all but ensure partisan divisions continue to deepen.

With that in mind, some Democrats have again proposed eliminating the Senate filibuster rule in order to pass the For the People Act with only Democratic support. They’ve attempted to demonize the filibuster and conveniently ignore how it has been critical to protecting the rights of Democrats in the past.

As a reminder, just four short years ago, in 2017 when Republicans held control of the White House and Congress, President Donald Trump was publicly urging Senate Republicans to eliminate the filibuster. Then, it was Senate Democrats who were proudly defending the filibuster. Thirty-three Senate Democrats penned a letter to Sens. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. and Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., warning of the perils of eliminating the filibuster.

 

[drayer54]

Here's a fascinating take-

Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are a threat to Black Americans
OPINION: Black voters who elected Democrats to do something deserve better, and White moderate Dems seeking bipartisanship with white nationalists are a threat to our health and safety.

 

[Irish#1]

An excerpt from Joe Manchin's Op-ed is very reasonable and well done. Others have called it white supremacy. https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opini...cle_c7eb2551-a500-5f77-aa37-2e42d0af870f.html

Manchin makes to much sense.

 

[NorthDakota]

Manchin makes to much sense.

I love to see the libs freak out. This makes the conservative crowd who goes after Collins and Murkowski all the time look tame.

 

[drayer54]

I love to see the libs freak out. This makes the conservative crowd who goes after Collins and Murkowski all the time look tame.

Collins is a fair person and holding down a seat that a real conservative could never win. I always give her a pass.

Murkowski- I struggle with. I wouldn't mind them replacing her.

 

[PerthDomer]

Collins is a fair person and holding down a seat that a real conservative could never win. I always give her a pass.

Murkowski- I struggle with. I wouldn't mind them replacing her.

On the dem side attacking Manchin makes him more popular in WV. This works for everybody. Drive up donations from progressives, keep Manchin viable, etc.

In terms of Sinema, Arizona is realigning to be more liberal and you don't need a senator like her to keep the seat. She better look out on her left flank.

The difference between Sinema and Murkowski is ranked choice voting really neuters a partisan attack because they'll still lose once the dem's voters go to Murkowski as their #2.