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ACamp1900

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Well, a nice house doesn't qualify as "stuff." A house is an asset that will appreciate long-term... that Cadillac will basically be worthless in 15 years.

Only if you intend on trading it in for more 'stuff'... so if something gains value it is no longer stuff?... All those Americans that are underwwater on their mortages, they bought stuff, but the rest of us didn't?

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I saw an interesting blog post about House of Cards and how it highlights the fundamental flaw with liberalism. Specifically; misplaced trust in government.

That's a great point and I'm sure it will lead to some interesting discussion on here.
 

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I saw an interesting blog post about House of Cards and how it highlights the fundamental flaw with liberalism. Specifically; misplaced trust in government.

Good point re: House of Cards. People should start to realize all the federal gov't does is re-arrange the deck-chairs of our economy to suit their own interests.
 

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That's a question of financial wisdom, not right and wrong.

Isn't buying too much / things you can't afford indicative of gluttony and, in some ways, narcissism? Isn't that inherently wrong?

"Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags." - Proverbs 23:20-21
 

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My PS4 is not 'stuff'... in 20 years, someone will pay top dolla at dem trade shows yo...

I'm guessing tussin hordes all of his money, or is a huge fan of the antique trade…
 

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One of the dumber things I've ever read.
But you're doing your best to give it a run for its money, eh?

Isn't buying too much / things you can't afford indicative of gluttony and, in some ways, narcissism? Isn't that inherently wrong?

"Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags." - Proverbs 23:20-21
I never said you should buy anything you can't afford. But I'm okay with "outrageous" purchases if you CAN afford them.


"For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it—lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish'?" - Luke 14:28–30

"Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow." - Proverbs 13:11

"Go to the ant, O sluggard, observe her ways and be wise, which, having no chief, officer or ruler, prepares her food in the summer and gathers her provision in the harvest." - Proverbs 6:6–8
 

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Progressive taxes
Heavy regulation on business
economic stimulus
state run banks
state run education
state run health care
state run media aka your fairness doctrine
state run retirement
strict gun laws

List the countries in the world that have what you want.

Canada, Norway, France, Sweden, Australia, Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, the UK.

Standard of living is pretty high in all these places.

Regulated business?

Yea I want antitrust suits and reasonable polutition standards

State run banks?

I hate hate the Fed in fact we need to audit the Fed. I don't recall ever posting on a state run bank.

State run education?

Its called public schools. We've had them since our founding.

State run health care?

Wanting some sort of baseline single payer and then letting people purchase supplemental coverage if they want more options is not state run health care. Even single payer like Canada that is all ecoppasing is not state run health carehe hospitals and doctors are still private. The UK has state run healthcare and I am against it.

State run retirement?

SS has been widely successful at preventing old age poverty.

I do think the Obama MyRA is stupid when it is basically just government bonds.

Fairness doctrine for the media?

Yea I think public networks owe the public to give some fact really news and not infotainment. Cable news can do what they want although they really should be classified as "news" more like political entertainment.
 

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I saw an interesting blog post about House of Cards and how it highlights the fundamental flaw with liberalism. Specifically; misplaced trust in government.

Really you are using a Hollywood film like it is a real life example?

Misplaced trust in a government owned by millionaires and billionaires yes is wrong.

Misplaced trust in the institution and concept of government itself is not wrong. If you say government itself is bad you basically saying America is bad.

Capitalism by far kicks every other everything else's rear end. However capitalism with without smart regulation and tax code will lead to monopoly or at the very least oligopoly and feudalistic society.

I agree we have dumbass government regulations. We also got a dumbass tax code filled with tax loopholes that make it harder if not impossible for small business to compete and doesn't create the incentive for corporations to keep their money in the company and pass on some of the wealth increased productivity has created to there workers. Finally when it comes to smart regulation and using anti trust laws to break up too big to fail banks the government has failed to act when they should have.
 

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Canada, Norway, France, Sweden, Australia, Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, the UK.

Standard of living is pretty high in all these places.

Regulated business?

Yea I want antitrust suits and reasonable polutition standards

State run banks?

I hate hate the Fed in fact we need to audit the Fed. I don't recall ever posting on a state run bank.

State run education?

Its called public schools. We've had them since our founding.

State run health care?

Wanting some sort of baseline single payer and then letting people purchase supplemental coverage if they want more options is not state run health care. Even single payer like Canada that is all ecoppasing is not state run health carehe hospitals and doctors are still private. The UK has state run healthcare and I am against it.

State run retirement?

SS has been widely successful at preventing old age poverty.

I do think the Obama MyRA is stupid when it is basically just government bonds.

Fairness doctrine for the media?

Yea I think public networks owe the public to give some fact really news and not infotainment. Cable news can do what they want although they really should be classified as "news" more like political entertainment.

Pick any one of those counties and I'll book you a one way.

So much of what you say is subjective to what YOU want.

Regulations: You (or the gov) get to decide what reasonable pollution standards are.

Banks: OK

State run education: No we haven't had them since our founding, and they're getting worse and worse every year.

State run health care: Did you really just convince yourself that single payer IS NOT state run??? Oh my.

Retirement: SS has been successful based on what? It's also bankrupting us along with disability fraud.

Fairness doctrine: As noted yesterday EVERY cable network in this country has freedom of speech. Government monitoring media? Are you nuts? The only countries who have that are oppressive regimes and you want that here???
 

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To say you can trust the government is laughable. There are a whole lot of things to trust before a government that is corrupt on every level.

Just on ObamaCare:

Obama - you can keep your doctor. I lost mine.

Obama - you can keep your insurance plan. My plan went up 200% and my premium tripled.

Harry Reid - every ObamaCare victim story is a hoax - not true as I'm an example.
 

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To say you can trust the government is laughable. There are a whole lot of things to trust before a government that is corrupt on every level.

Just on ObamaCare:

Obama - you can keep your doctor. I lost mine.

Obama - you can keep your insurance plan. My plan went up 200% and my premium tripled.

Harry Reid - every ObamaCare victim story is a hoax - not true as I'm an example.

Citizens of Venezuela have been promised everything since 1999 by Chavez and his corrupt government. Ask them how things are working out down there. A few months ago the military was seizing toilet paper. No joke.
 

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Pick any one of those counties and I'll book you a one way.

Classic. "You have a different vision of what policies are most conducive to a well-functioning democracy? You think America has progress to do in order to live up to some of our most cherished ideals? Go live somewhere else!"

There are idiotic comments all over this site, but a small number of you spend a lot of time in this thread and consistently reveal that you're not all that bright. More than that, you consistently act like d'bags. Really has nothing to do with your views on how things should be run, it's about how you "converse" on here. Minus about 4 posters, this thread could be really interesting and productive.

Thought I'd check in after months away to see what's stoking the fires in this thread, and it took this post to remember why I stopped checking in. Lots of reasonable people on here with whom I disagree, and then there's stuff like this.
 

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Really you are using a Hollywood film like it is a real life example?

Misplaced trust in a government owned by millionaires and billionaires yes is wrong.

Misplaced trust in the institution and concept of government itself is not wrong. If you say government itself is bad you basically saying America is bad.

Capitalism by far kicks every other everything else's rear end. However capitalism with without smart regulation and tax code will lead to monopoly or at the very least oligopoly and feudalistic society.

I agree we have dumbass government regulations. We also got a dumbass tax code filled with tax loopholes that make it harder if not impossible for small business to compete and doesn't create the incentive for corporations to keep their money in the company and pass on some of the wealth increased productivity has created to there workers. Finally when it comes to smart regulation and using anti trust laws to break up too big to fail banks the government has failed to act when they should have.

How in the world you can profess to be an admirer of Jefferson and then express opinions in complete opposite of Jeffersonian philosophy is truly puzzling. For example, here is are two Jefferson quotes that totally contradict your thought process as it relates to the powers of the Federal government.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities."

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father has acquired to much, in order to sparse to others, who or whose father have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it."

These quotes pretty much sum up the reason the original constitution specifically prevented the Federal government from implementing an income tax and why federally funded social programs were not implemented until the 20th century. I think you need make sure you are reading about Jefferson and not Marx.
 

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To say you can trust the government is laughable. There are a whole lot of things to trust before a government that is corrupt on every level.

Just on ObamaCare:

Obama - you can keep your doctor. I lost mine.

Obama - you can keep your insurance plan. My plan went up 200% and my premium tripled.

Harry Reid - every ObamaCare victim story is a hoax - not true as I'm an example.

Well this is what happens when insurance companies, healthcare professionals, and the healthcare industrial complex get to write the bill to solve the problem they started. Make no mistake premiums skyrocketed in the 2000s, people who made the premiums on a regular basis sometimes got sick and lost coverage because lifetime limits, those with pre existing conditions couldn't get coverage. No excuse as a lot the bill sucks.

Anyway about trusting government. Have you taken a moment to step away from the talking points to figure out why the government became corrupt in the first place.

Are all governments just bond to become corrupt? Were the founders wrong taking a chance a radical idea of the like democracy because if you saying the concept and institution of government is bad aren't you in effect saying American concept was bad?
 

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Classic. "You have a different vision of what policies are most conducive to a well-functioning democracy? You think America has progress to do in order to live up to some of our most cherished ideals? Go live somewhere else!"

There are idiotic comments all over this site, but a small number of you spend a lot of time in this thread and consistently reveal that you're not all that bright. More than that, you consistently act like d'bags. Really has nothing to do with your views on how things should be run, it's about how you "converse" on here. Minus about 4 posters, this thread could be really interesting and productive.

Thought I'd check in after months away to see what's stoking the fires in this thread, and it took this post to remember why I stopped checking in. Lots of reasonable people on here with whom I disagree, and then there's stuff like this.

Oh what a lovely drive by! "Conducive to a well-functioning democracy and our most cherished ideals"??? What the hell are you talking about? Chicago wants a social democratic country run by a top down authoritarian government. And we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic.

I offered him a one way ticket to a country that has exactly what he wants.
 

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You Don't Have To Be Rich In Your 20s: How Much Money You Should Actually Be Making | Elite Daily



This article has been filling up my newsfeed on Facebook. Interested to hear what y'all think about it.


I personally think it is a bunch of bullshit. Basically 20 year olds should just be getting by? hell no.

That's the narrative now though. That's how lower wages are justifiable to a certain groups of people. You should just be getting by. I swear some people will not be happy unless young adults are making $2.00 per hour. That's where all this is going.
 

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Harry Reid’s Two Minutes Hate | National Review Online

Efficacious as this approach can prove to be, one can’t help but notice that the Kochs are a peculiar choice of popinjay. Certainly, the pair vehemently opposes the Democratic party’s core economic agenda, which, in the waning days of Obama’s influence, consists of defending Obamacare, instituting a carbon tax, and refusing steadfastly to do anything about the federal government’s spending problem. But the Kochs are not as simple as the hysteria would have them be. Indeed, even the lightest of research reveals them to be in favor of gay marriage, of drug legalization, of reforming and expanding the immigration system, of withdrawing troops from the Middle East, of cutting defense spending, of curbing the NSA’s overreach, and of helping to balance the budget by raising (some) taxes — all of which, it presumably doesn’t need spelling out, are positions that the Democratic party purports to support. Among the “shadowy” groups to which the Kochs have contributed are the ACLU (which received $20 million from the duo to support its work against the PATRIOT Act), a variety of cancer-research foundations, and a wide range of museums, musical venues, and art galleries.

One wonders, too, why Reid and his friends remain so quiet about campaign financing that doesn’t originate in Wichita, Kansas. The brothers’ “reach,” Alternet’s Adele M. Stan screamed in 2011, “is probably greater than you thought possible,” extending “into virtually every aspect of political, economic and physical life on the planet.”​ And yet, omnipresent as they are, the duo has not yet managed to corrupt Open Secrets, the non-partisan contribution tracker that rather inconveniently revealed last month that the Koch Brothers barely scrape into the list of the top sixty all-time political donors and, too, that of the 58 organizations that are ahead of them, 48 were described as being politically between “solidly Democrat” and “sitting on the fence”; that six of the top ten were unions; and that Democrats benefited disproportionately from all but two of the most prolific 20 contributors.
 

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That's the narrative now though. That's how lower wages are justifiable to a certain groups of people. You should just be getting by. I swear some people will not be happy unless young adults are making $2.00 per hour. That's where all this is going.

Yea we are headed for another Gilded Age if we don't change our path. The average worker at the time made about $5,000 inflation adjusted dollars.
 
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That's the narrative now though. That's how lower wages are justifiable to a certain groups of people. You should just be getting by. I swear some people will not be happy unless young adults are making $2.00 per hour. That's where all this is going.

The point is, why should any government/control tell you much money you should make? What if you want to be a top performer and work 80hours a week? What is you want to smoke out and have a life of leisure?

The point of freedom is 'liberty.' And you shouldn't be penalized for it either. That is exactly the opposite of freedom
 

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That's the narrative now though. That's how lower wages are justifiable to a certain groups of people. You should just be getting by. I swear some people will not be happy unless young adults are making $2.00 per hour. That's where all this is going.

no see...you can't make too much money or the cost of your Obamacare increases because the amount of Obamacare subsidy then decreases...at least once you turn 26 and are no longer on your parents coverage
 
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The point is, why should any government/control tell you much money you should make? What if you want to be a top performer and work 80hours a week? What is you want to smoke out and have a life of leisure?

The point of freedom is 'liberty.' And you shouldn't be penalized for it either. That is exactly the opposite of freedom
Neither one of your examples matter if you can't make a wage that meets your survival needs. I know plenty of people, including myself that work multiple jobs and barely scraped by. At one point I worked two jobs and was in school full time. I did not ask for anything from anyone. As hard as I have worked and as hard as I have tried, my wages are just as stagnant as the rest of middle america.
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The point is, why should any government/control tell you much money you should make? What if you want to be a top performer and work 80hours a week? What is you want to smoke out and have a life of leisure?

The point of freedom is 'liberty.' And you shouldn't be penalized for it either. That is exactly the opposite of freedom

Government tells us how much money we should make?
 
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no see...you can't make too much money or the cost of your Obamacare increases because the amount of Obamacare subsidy then decreases...at least once you turn 26 and are no longer on your parents coverage

I don't know what you are talking about here. I don't even get an ACA subsidy. My work has gotten together with other firms that do similar work and used purchasing power in the exchange to keep my rates affordable. Everyone was bitching and moaning about the ACA, and there was effectively no increase in our premiums this year. I am not hearing any bitching and moaning anymore. We have a wide range of salaries and hourly labor.

Please don't take this as I am 100% happy with the ACA. It has some fundamental problems.
 
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Oh what a lovely drive by! "Conducive to a well-functioning democracy and our most cherished ideals"??? What the hell are you talking about? Chicago wants a social democratic country run by a top down authoritarian government. And we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic.

I offered him a one way ticket to a country that has exactly what he wants.

The government and the people are not indistiguishable. People ARE the government and have the capability of changing the direction in which the country moves. Many on here speak fondly of the Reagan years and how he seized a moment in history and fundamentally changed our path. He couldn't have done that by the strength of his own will. He needed the citizens of the country to come together around his point of view. That took some convincing (and some ineffective governing before he came of political age). Look around you Leppy. The country is changing. The Reagan legacy was one of a declaration of war on drugs, and today votes are going on across the country in states to legalize mariguana use. Homosexuals were cast offs and objects of ridicule back then but are sprinting toward social acceptance. Trickle down economics and ultra-low taxes have been proven over the last decades to be detrimental forces in the economy. These are not functions of government so much as they are functions of societal change. Our republic conforms to such social changes and always has (albeit sometimes it happens painfully slow). Your venom toward Chicago and his thoughts are too narrowly focused. You must look at the entire society of Americans. If there is someone who needs a one-way ticket to another place, I could argue that person may be you. The breeze is pushing the sails of this country in a direction that you refuse to acknowledge or accept. Instead of capturing the wind and using it to drive you closer to the will of the people in the republic so that you may convince them to chance course, you choose to stand toe to toe and argue with the wind. Those who dig their heels in in the face of a breeze will only be pushed over when the gusts begin.
 

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I don't know what you are talking about here. I don't even get an ACA subsidy. My work has gotten together with other firms that do similar work and used purchasing power in the exchange to keep my rates affordable. Everyone was bitching and moaning about the ACA, and there was effectively no increase in our premiums this year. I am not hearing any bitching and moaning anymore. We have a wide range of salaries and hourly labor.
Translation: "I don't give a shit if anyone else was harmed by this law. It didn't harm ME so fuck you."

My premiums went from $33 per week to $85 per week for worse coverage. $3,000 a year is real money to me any my family.
 
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