Politics

[GoIrish41]

So let me get this straight...basically if we agree to pass all of Obama's programs exactly as he wants them we can achieve a perfect society?

Don't want to butt in, but that isn't even close to what he said.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

So let me get this straight...basically if we agree to pass all of Obama's programs exactly as he wants them we can achieve a perfect society?

I didn't say that. Fixing our roads and bridges (which are in deplorable shape) would create a ton of jobs. The Republicans who have no plan just vote NO. They have NO plan.

 

[wizards8507]

I didn't say that. Fixing our roads and bridges (which are in deplorable shape) would create a ton of jobs.

1. That would create a ton of TEMPORARY jobs.

2. WTF bridges are you driving on? You fall off a lot of dilapidated bridges recently?

3. These things should be handled by government, but STATE and LOCAL governments. The reason being that states and towns know their needs much better than bureaucrats in Washington do, meaning they can do these projects much more efficiently with much less waste.

 

[BobD]

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Try this out. I entered 1.00 from 2012 to 1960...relative value .3 to .17 cents today.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

1. That would create a ton of TEMPORARY jobs.

2. WTF bridges are you driving on? You fall off a lot of dilapidated bridges recently?

3. These things should be handled by government, but STATE and LOCAL governments. The reason being that states and towns know their needs much better than bureaucrats in Washington do, meaning they can do these projects much more efficiently with much less waste.

1. Better than No jobs. Check out the state of the bridges in this country. You will find that thousands of them are in need of repair. Are you old enough to remember the bridge collapse in Minneapolis?

2. State and local (especially local) governments don't have enough money to fix all of the problem areas. It's not cheap to fix a bridge that needs repair.

 

[GoIrish41]

1. That would create a ton of TEMPORARY jobs.

2. WTF bridges are you driving on? You fall off a lot of dilapidated bridges recently?

3. These things should be handled by government, but STATE and LOCAL governments. The reason being that states and towns know their needs much better than bureaucrats in Washington do, meaning they can do these projects much more efficiently with much less waste.

Temporary jobs that would stimulate the economy by putting money in people's pockets. When people have money in their pockets, they spend more money. When they spend more money, businesses grow to keep up with demand. When those businesses grow, they hire more people. And when the temporary jobs go away, there will be companies needing their services. It's called a stimulous -- and doing it to fix critical infrastructure in this country. As far as bridges go, pick up a newspaper and read about it. Roads and bridges in this country are deteriorating and become more and more unsafe as more drivers than they are designed to handle continue to use them. Where do you suppose the state and local governments get the money to build bridges and highways -- from the federal government. And when the discussion is about investing money to fix bridges, that money would be sent to states to hire crews to fix them. You don't think that all highway construction workers are government workers, do you? Of course not.

 

[BobD]

According to that calculator, 100 dollars in groceries today would have cost somewhere between 3.50 to 17.00 (approx) in1960.

 

[wizards8507]

1. Better than No jobs. Check out the state of the bridges in this country. You will find that thousands of them are in need of repair. Are you old enough to remember the bridge collapse in Minneapolis?

2. State and local (especially local) governments don't have enough money to fix all of the problem areas. It's not cheap to fix a bridge that needs repair.

The federal government has negative seventeen trillion dollars.

Regardless, the government gets its money from taxes. If 50 states worth of taxes is enough for the Feds to fund the whole country's projects, then EACH of those 50 states should be able to fund its OWN projects.

 

[wizards8507]

Temporary jobs that would stimulate the economy by putting money in people's pockets. When people have money in their pockets, they spend more money. When they spend more money, businesses grow to keep up with demand. When those businesses grow, they hire more people. And when the temporary jobs go away, there will be companies needing their services. It's called a stimulous -- and doing it to fix critical infrastructure in this country. As far as bridges go, pick up a newspaper and read about it. Roads and bridges in this country are deteriorating and become more and more unsafe as more drivers than they are designed to handle continue to use them. Where do you suppose the state and local governments get the money to build bridges and highways -- from the federal government. And when the discussion is about investing money to fix bridges, that money would be sent to states to hire crews to fix them. You don't think that all highway construction workers are government workers, do you? Of course not.

I know how it DOES work I'm saying that's not how it SHOULD work. That doesn't seem bass-ackwards to you? The federal government takes money from the states (by taxing the citizens) so they can send the money BACK to the states to fund all their crap. Only in governmental logic does that make ANY sense or seem "efficient."

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

It's just a "I got mine, I don't care about yours" attitude anymore. The Christian right couldn't care less about the poor.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

The federal government has negative seventeen trillion dollars.

Regardless, the government gets its money from taxes. If 50 states worth of taxes is enough for the Feds to fund the whole country's projects, then EACH of those 50 states should be able to fund its OWN projects.

So just let the bridges crumble? That's nice. I hope you don't have to go over any to work.

 

[connor_in]

It's just a "I got mine, I don't care about yours" attitude anymore. The Christian right couldn't care less about the poor.

Yep...you are exactly right...Christians on the right side of the political spactrum HATE poor people...you figured them out for sure

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Yep...you are exactly right...Christians on the right side of the political spactrum HATE poor people...you figured them out for sure

How else do you explain their attempts to take health care and food away from millions of Americans? They want to repeal Obamacare. Where is their replacement plan?

 

[wizards8507]

It's just a "I got mine, I don't care about yours" attitude anymore. The Christian right couldn't care less about the poor.

You couldn't be more wrong. Helping the poor is one of the most virtuous things a Christian can do but the government SUCKS at it. "Help the poor" does not mean "the GOVERNMENT must help the poor." My annual checks to Notre Dame or the United Way or the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society (my non-profits of choice) are Christian charity. My tax payments to Uncle Sam are NOT Christian charity because they are taken from me by force, not out of love or goodwill, even if some of that money is used for food stamps or section eight housing.

Consider this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each must do just as he has purposed in his own heart, without sadness or compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[wizards8507]

They want to repeal Obamacare.

Do you have a job? With a real company? In 2012 my family's insurance policy cost $33 a week out-of-pocket. Next year it will be $115 a week for the same plan and it's ABSOLUTELY a fact that this is due to Obamacare.

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[connor_in]

How else do you explain their attempts to take health care and food away from millions of Americans? They want to repeal Obamacare. Where is their replacement plan?

I obviously can't because the only possible rational reason is pure hatred of poor people. There couldn't be any kind of political reason because there just couldn't be. Heck they are probably r a c I s t too otherwise they would agree with you right?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I obviously can't because the only possible rational reason is pure hatred of poor people. There couldn't be any kind of political reason because there just couldn't be. Heck they are probably r a c I s t too otherwise they would agree with you right?

Not sure. Can't think of any other reason why they would vote that way. They are also trying to take their right to vote away.

 

[GoIrish41]

I know how it DOES work I'm saying that's not how it SHOULD work. That doesn't seem bass-ackwards to you? The federal government takes money from the states (by taxing the citizens) so they can send the money BACK to the states to fund all their crap. Only in governmental logic does that make ANY sense or seem "efficient."

No, it doesn't. The federal government taxes its citizens to pay to for the things that the federal government does -- like build and maintain the interstate highway system, maintain a standing Army, ensure there is a clean water supply and a safe food supply, and a miriad of other services they provide. If infrastructure that was vital to free commerse between the states was left to state and local governments, it would create far more problems than states having to count on the fed for funding. For example, every state with a majority of GOP lawmakers and an GOP governor would lower taxes in their states to insanely unsustainable levels. As a result, they would not collect enough to pay for their road and bridge maintenance. Now, normally, I'd say who give a crap if Ohio's bridges and roads are horrible. I live in Pennsylvania so it doesn't affect me ... that is, until I want to drive to a ND game, and I have to drive on those unsafe roads. Now, let's say I own a trucking company and my trucks get beat to sh*t because of Ohio's terrible roads. My own maintenance costs now go up. That's money out of my business that I could be using to expand my business, hire more people to pay more taxes so we can fix more roads and bridges (among other things). You might hate that Ohio has to ask for "their own money", but believe me, the alternative would be much worse.

 

[wizards8507]

They are also trying to take their right to vote away.

Holy hell you're ignorant. I assume you're talking about voter ID laws so let's get this out of the way right now. ANY state that has voter ID laws has FREE photo IDs provided to people who can't afford a driver's license.

 

[connor_in]

Not sure. Can't think of any other reason why they would vote that way. They are also trying to take their right to vote away.

Sadly, you're serious...more's the pity

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Do you have a job? With a real company? In 2012 my family's insurance policy cost $33 a week out-of-pocket. Next year it will be $115 a week for the same plan and it's ABSOLUTELY a fact that this is due to Obamacare.

Yes, I have a "real job, with a real company." Your family's insurance never went up before Obamacare? Its been going up every year for a long time. As far as I know, the increases are slowing down.

 

[wizards8507]

Yes, I have a "real job, with a real company." Your family's insurance never went up before Obamacare? Its been going up every year for a long time. As far as I know, the increases are slowing down.

Yes, it's gone up before but it's never TRIPLED.

 

[connor_in]

Yes, I have a "real job, with a real company." Your family's insurance never went up before Obamacare? Its been going up every year for a long time. As far as I know, the increases are slowing down.

"As far as I know"...? I suggest you try even a teeny bit of research to discover the record increases huge numbers of employees are experiencing

 

[GoIrish41]

"As far as I know"...? I suggest you try even a teeny bit of research to discover the record increases huge numbers of employees are experiencing

The majority of Obamacare has not kicked in yet, so who is raising these prices? Perhaps it is the insurance companies who have been lobbying against this legislation since it was a just became a converted GOP idea agreed to by the president. It shouldn't be surprising ... insurance companies have raised their rates much higher than cost of living for its customers long before any of us even knew who Obama was. But, when they tell you it is because of Obamacare, feel free to take them at their word. They've always had the consumers' best interest at heart.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Holy hell you're ignorant. I assume you're talking about voter ID laws so let's get this out of the way right now. ANY state that has voter ID laws has FREE photo IDs provided to people who can't afford a driver's license.

They all don't have facilities close to all of the elderly and disabled eligible voters. The is NO voter fraud occurring. Do you seriously think people keep walking in and out of polling places, posing as people who didn't vote yet? And you're calling me ignorant?

 

[BobD]

I'd sure like to see actual proof of these outrageous hikes in premiums. I've heard stories but haven't seen them. Only the normal big yearly increases that have been happening for the last ten years or so.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

"As far as I know"...? I suggest you try even a teeny bit of research to discover the record increases huge numbers of employees are experiencing

You should do some research as to how allowing young adults to stay on their parents plan until age 26, ending lifetime limits on healthcare, ending discrimination against those with pre existing conditions, and allowing millions to go to a doctor instead of just running to the emergency room is a good thing for our citizens.

 

[BobD]

You know where poor people go when they need medical care? The emergency room. Guess who is paying for that?

 

[GoIrish41]

You know where poor people go when they need medical care? The emergency room. Guess who is paying for that?

And this is the most expensive care their is -- so we're paying a lot.

 

[Wild Bill]

You should do some research as to how allowing young adults to stay on their parents plan until age 26, ending lifetime limits on healthcare, ending discrimination against those with pre existing conditions, and allowing millions to go to a doctor instead of just running to the emergency room is a good thing for our citizens.

Yes, it definitely helps my younger brother. He can't earn it on his own. He's too busy playing video games, drinking and chasing cooze.