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I'm going to post this because it shows a bit of history of Social Security. Francis Perkins FYI was the first female cabinet member ever and was the one who actually came up with Social Security.

It also goes into how FDR the greatest liberal ever would probably would be against lifting the cap on SS taxation. Ultimately because SS gives a contribution based on what one pays in it truly is an earned benefit. Raising the cap essentially would make it a welfare program.

Not saying I agree with everything Lawrence says he and he does mention at the end how things are more complicated because retirement accounts are tax havens tend benefit the upper middle class and the rich more than the poor.

It is an interesting perspective and a good history lesson on social security.

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This just gets more and more interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us/politics/irs-scandal-congressional-hearings.html?hp&_r=3&

Treasury Knew of I.R.S. Inquiry in 2012, Official Says

WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department’s inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was auditing the Internal Revenue Service’s screening of politically active organizations seeking tax exemptions, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

At the first Congressional hearing into the I.R.S. scandal, J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told members of the House Ways and Means Committee that he informed the Treasury’s general counsel of his audit on June 4, and Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin “shortly thereafter.”

It remained unclear how much the disclosure would affect the broader debate over the I.R.S.'s problems. Complaints from Tea Party groups that the I.R.S. was singling them out became public in 2012, through media accounts.

Mr. George told Treasury officials about the allegation as part of a routine briefing about ongoing audits he would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said.

Still, the inspector general’s testimony will most likely fuel efforts by Congressional Republicans to show that Obama administration officials knew of efforts to single out conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status for additional scrutiny, but did not reveal that knowledge during President Obama’s re-election campaign.

Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, who joined the Republican ticket as the vice-presidential candidate later in the year, said, “That raises a big question.”

Representative Dave Camp of Michigan, the House Ways and Means chairman, said in opening the hearing, “This appears to be just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups — and political intimidation — in this administration. It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election.”

The hearing quickly turned into partisan jousting, with House Republicans pressing to expand the inquiry to other tax misdeeds closer to the White House, while Democrats tried to keep the focus narrow and under the purview of an I.R.S. chief appointed by President George W. Bush.

Steven T. Miller, the acting I.R.S. commissioner, who has resigned, called the agency’s actions “obnoxious,” but told the House Ways and Means Committee they were not motivated by partisanship. And in testy exchanges, he said he had not misled Congress, even though he did not divulge the targeting efforts of a Cincinnati unit examining 70,000 applications for tax exemption.

He called the group’s centralization of applications from groups with names that included the words “Tea Party” or “patriots” simply “foolish mistakes” that “were made by people trying to be more efficient in their workload selection.”

With two additional hearings already scheduled for next week, it is clear the focus of Congressional inquires will extend well beyond the selection of conservative groups for special scrutiny of their tax-exemption applications.

Mr. Camp pressed Mr. Miller and Mr. George on the releasing of tax information on Koch Industries, the giant family business of the conservative benefactors Charles and David Koch, by a former White House economist, Austan Goolsbee. He also hit on the publication of donor lists for the National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex unions, and the release of confidential applications for tax-exempt status to the investigative reporting outfit ProPublica.

The incidents of releases of confidential tax information were referred to the inspector general for investigation, but were found to be inadvertent, the witnesses said.

When Republicans asked Mr. Miller whether the targeting of conservative groups was divulged to Obama administration officials outside the I.R.S., Mr. Miller said “that would be a violation of law.”

“I would be shocked” if that occurred, he said.

Mr. Miller did concede that the I.R.S.'s apology for targeting was prompted by a question planted by the agency last Friday at an American Bar Association meeting. At that meeting, Lois Lerner, the head of the I.R.S.'s division overseeing tax-exempt organizations, was asked about an inquiry of the targeting issue, eliciting an apology that quickly leaked out of the closed-door session. The I.R.S. then scrambled to issue a formal release on the issue.

***More at the link posted above***
 

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I'm going to post this because it shows a bit of history of Social Security. Francis Perkins FYI was the first female cabinet member ever and was the one who actually came up with Social Security.

It also goes into how FDR the greatest liberal ever would probably would be against lifting the cap on SS taxation. Ultimately because SS gives a contribution based on what one pays in it truly is an earned benefit. Raising the cap essentially would make it a welfare program.

Not saying I agree with everything Lawrence says he and he does mention at the end how things are more complicated because retirement accounts are tax havens tend benefit the upper middle class and the rich more than the poor.

It is an interesting perspective and a good history lesson on social security.

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If I remember right, one only needs to pay into the Social Security system for about 10 years to qualify for benefits. But you can collect for as long as you live past 65. And, to echo NDaccountant, there is no money there. We pay for current retirees benefits and hope that there will be enough workers to pay our benefits when we retire.
 

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With all of the recent controversies President Obama still holds a 53% approval rating.

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CBS broke a story that republicans edited official emails. It is making its way through the liberal outlets but both ABC and CBS have copies of the official and edited versions.

On top of this Issa will not let co chairs of the independent review committee testify in public. This exchanage occurred on Meet the press where Issa was on and one of the chairs was on as well:

On Meet the Press last Sunday, Issa tried to smear Pickering as refusing to testify, but things didn’t go so well for the Congressman. It turns out Pickering was waiting to speak on the show, and he denounced firmly the notion that he had been invited to speak. In fact, he said he was told he was not welcome by Republicans,.......:

REP. ISSA: Now, Ambassador Pickering, his people and he refused to come before our committee that…

AMB. THOMAS PICKERING (Former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs/Chair, Accountability Review Board on Benghazi): That is not true.

GREGORY: All right. We’re- we’re going to get to Ambassador Pickering.

REP. ISSA: … We’re inviting him on Monday along with Admiral Mullen to come, to go through, with his papers, a private deposition so we can get the facts in a nonpartisan way.

..

AMB. PICKERING: Of course. I’ve said the day before the hearings, I was willing to appear to come to the very hearings that he disclu- he excluded me from. The White House told me back that he said…

REP. ISSA: One second. Please- please don’t tell me I excluded you.

AMB. PICKERING: Well, the- the majority was- we were told the majority said I was not welcomed at that hearing. I could come at some other time.

REP. ISSA: …He could have been the Democratic witness. And we would have allowed him. The Democrats requested no witness.The fact is, we don’t want to have some sort of a stage show… We’re inviting them on Monday. We’ll go through, not in front of the public but- but in a nonpartisan way questions and answers and then obviously…
Darrell Issa Is Refusing to Allow Co-Chairs of Benghazi Review to Testify in Public
Why not in public?
 

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With all of the recent controversies President Obama still holds a 53% approval rating.

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well, seems like your average person (and the half of the population dumber than that guy) have their commander in chief... the extra 3%???... the deceased who keep voting in polls and elections ;).

In all seriousness...folks who voted for Obama aren't going to get news critical of him until/unless someone actually ties something to him...and the concept of failure in command and control just isn't going to resonate with most people...if we called it Lack of institutional control...man his a$$ would be at 15%.
 

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With all of the recent controversies President Obama still holds a 53% approval rating.

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It just shows you how stupid and uniformed most Americans really are. Don't care what side of the fence you are on, but you have to be really concerned about some of the things going on right now.
 

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CBS broke a story that republicans edited official emails. It is making its way through the liberal outlets but both ABC and CBS have copies of the official and edited versions.

On top of this Issa will not let co chairs of the independent review committee testify in public. This exchanage occurred on Meet the press where Issa was on and one of the chairs was on as well:


Darrell Issa Is Refusing to Allow Co-Chairs of Benghazi Review to Testify in Public
Why not in public?

Emails and talking points are the distraction. This story sums up where we should be looking.

The 10 P.M. Phone Call | National Review Online
 

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So in case anyone has notice the deficit is falling like really fast. Don't get me wrong there are still long term issues but even doing nothing all it is going to fall below GDP growth by 2015.

I am just really shocked that with the deficit falling so quickly that nobody has tried to take credit for it. You think the Republicans would talk about how much has been cut since they took the House or you think the Democrats would talk about how Obamacare really appears to be slowing the growth in Medicare spending, along with the boost in tax revenues from the ATRA.

You just think with these Washington egos someone would try to take the credit.
 
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So in case anyone has notice the deficit is falling like really fast. Don't get me wrong there are still long term issues but even doing nothing all it is going to fall below GDP growth by 2015.

I am just really shocked that with the deficit falling so quickly that nobody has tried to take credit for it. You think the Republicans would talk about how much has been cut since they took the House or you think the Democrats would talk about how Obamacare really appears to be slowing the growth in Medicare spending, along with the boost in tax revenues from the ATRA.

You just think with these Washington egos someone would try to take the credit.

Just a guess, but I think both sides at the moment are a little per-occupied looking into or trying to justify the incompetence (or corruption) exhibited by the State Department, CIA, IRS, Treasury, DOJ, ICE and the White House.
 
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I'm giving my 2016 Presidential endorsement. I am giving it to a candidate that probably may not run and probably won't win but the more I here about this guy the more I think he is what America needs.

I'm endorsing Montanta Democratic governor Brian Schweitzer (D). His political idol is Theodore Roosevelt and he actually advocated for things that TR would have done including "trust busting". He is the first political candidate to advocate branking up the big companies in decades.

He has refused to take campaign funds from special interest and Pacs.

He is against Obamacare and wants a government plan that any American could join but also he believe protecting people's choices.

I support his "all of the above" energy policy; procuding more green energy, while also looking for ways to make fossil fuels more efficent and cleaner.

He is more to the right of where I am on guns but it is hardly the biggest issue we face. My understanding is that he is for the expansion of background checks but while still protecting personal sales, and preventing a registry. He is also against an assualt weapons ban and clip limits. Again not where I am but it is not the biggest issue we face.

He supports investments in things like education but believes that government needs to be smarter. He is favor of raising taxes in a progressive way but only as a last resort.

He is a social libertarian and came out for same sex marriage.

I just think we need a true economic popolist as president regardless if they have an R or a D next their name. We have not really had one in decades. Bill Clinton was somewhat of a moderate economic populist. Hillary although less liberal than Obama is more of an economic populist as well but not to the extent that I think she would be someone that file an antitrust suit against say JP Morgan Chase.

All in I think Brian Schweitzer would be a great candidate if he did run. He comes from a Red State yet is pretty popular in Montana.

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Adam Green: Top 10 Things That Make Brian Schweitzer An Awesome Economic Populist
 

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I'm giving my 2016 Presidential endorsement. I am giving it to a candidate that probably may not run and probably won't win but the more I here about this guy the more I think he is what America needs.

I'm endorsing Montanta Democratic governor Brian Schweitzer (D). His political idol is Theodore Roosevelt and he actually advocated for things that TR would have done including "trust busting". He is the first political candidate to advocate branking up the big companies in decades.

He has refused to take campaign funds from special interest and Pacs.

He is against Obamacare and wants a government plan that any American could join but also he believe protecting people's choices.

I support his "all of the above" energy policy; procuding more green energy, while also looking for ways to make fossil fuels more efficent and cleaner.

He is more to the right of where I am on guns but it is hardly the biggest issue we face. My understanding is that he is for the expansion of background checks but while still protecting personal sales, and preventing a registry. He is also against an assualt weapons ban and clip limits. Again not where I am but it is not the biggest issue we face.

He supports investments in things like education but believes that government needs to be smarter. He is favor of raising taxes in a progressive way but only as a last resort.

He is a social libertarian and came out for same sex marriage.

I just think we need a true economic popolist as president regardless if they have an R or a D next their name. We have not really had one in decades. Bill Clinton was somewhat of a moderate economic populist. Hillary although less liberal than Obama is more of an economic populist as well but not to the extent that I think she would be someone that file an antitrust suit against say JP Morgan Chase.

All in I think Brian Schweitzer would be a great candidate if he did run. He comes from a Red State yet is pretty popular in Montana.

schweitzer.jpg


Adam Green: Top 10 Things That Make Brian Schweitzer An Awesome Economic Populist



Not a bad guy. Like you mentioned, there are things I disagree with...but if what you say is true (not taking money...although when running for POTUS, he will have too) he's a standup guy.

I don't agree with a government health care option. But I would like to see some reform in the current industry to make it more accessable for people. Government option should be the very last resort, especially since we already do a good job in our health care sector.

As far as breaking up big companies...I don't really agree with that statement. There are many, many big companies that are fantastic and that's why they've gotten so big. You don't get big by doing things wrong. Cut loopholes. But don't penalize companies for builiding something great. And remember, those big evil companies employ millions..

Every poliitcan wants to "spend more on education"...we already spend a crap load and it's never enough. I'm more interested in the second half of that statement...How can we be smarter with the money that we're spending? I'd love to hear his plan.


I personally like Ted Cruz ( I also like guys like Christie..not all of his politics, but his personality). I like someone that will shake things up and make honest statements and call out career politicans. If you want REAL change, you have to have those people.

A Cruz/Rubio ticket in 2016 (or in the future) would be tough to beat...especially with the hispanic boom. FL and TX would be locks for the right....would be interesting. (although Cruz probably wouldn't be ready)
 

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A bushel of Pinocchios for IRS’s Lois Lerner
Posted by Glenn Kessler at 06:00 AM ET, 05/20/2013

In the days since the Internal Revenue Service first disclosed that it had targeted conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, new information has emerged from both the Treasury Inspector General’s report and congressional testimony Friday that calls into question key statements made by Lois G. Lerner, the IRS’s director of the exempt organizations division.

The clumsy way the IRS disclosed the issue as well as Lerner’s press briefing by phone were seen at the time as a public relations disaster. But even so, it is worth reviewing three key statements made by Lerner and comparing them to the facts that have since emerged.

“But between 2010 and 2012 we started seeing a very big uptick in the number of 501(c)(4) applications we were receiving and many of these organizations applying more than doubled, about 1500 in 2010 and over 3400 in 2012.”

Lerner made this comment while issuing a seemingly impromptu apology at an American Bar Association panel (it was later learned that this was a planted question—more on that below.) In her telling, the tax-exempt branch was simply overwhelmed by applications and so unfortunate shortcuts were taken.

But this claim of “more than doubled” appears to be a red herring. The targeting of groups began in early 2010, after the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizen’s United was announced on Jan. 21. The ruling paved the way for political groups to apply under a tax-exempt status known as 501(c)4. Most charities apply under 501(c)3, but under 501(c)4 nonprofit groups that engage in “social welfare” can also perform a limited amount of election activity.

At first glance, the Inspector General’s report appears to show that the number of 501(c)(4) applications actually went down that year, from 1,751 in 2009 to 1,735.

But it turns out that these are federal fiscal-year figures, meaning “2010” is actually Oct. 1, 2009 to Sept. 30, 2010, so the “2010” year includes more than three months before the Supreme Court decision was announced.

Astonishingly, despite Lerner’s public claim, an IRS spokeswoman was not able to provide the actual calendar year numbers. By allocating one-quarter of the fiscal year numbers to the prior year, we can get a very rough sense of the increase on a calendar-year basis.(Figures are rounded to avoid false precision; 2012 is not possible to calculate)

2009: 1745

2010: 1865

2011: 2540

In other words, while there was an increase in 2010, it was relatively small. The real jump did not come until 2011, long after the targeting of conservative groups had been implemented. Also, it appears Lerner significantly understated the number of applications in 2010 (“1500”) in order to make her claim of “more than doubled.”

“I think you guys were reading the paper as much as I was. So it was pretty much we started seeing information in the press that raised questions for us and we went back and took a look.”

Here, Lerner suggests that she only found out about this issue when news reports appeared in February and March 2012 about tea party groups complaining that they were being targeted. But the IG timeline shows this claim to be false.

According the IG, Lerner had a briefing on the issue on June 29, 2011, in which she was told about the BOLO (“Be On the Look Out”) criteria that included phrases such as “Tea Party” or “Patriots.” The report says she raised concerns about the wording and “instructed that the criteria be immediately revised.” She continued to be heavily involved in the issue in the months preceding the new reports, according to the timeline.

“I don’t believe anyone ever asked me that question before.”

This was Lerner’s excuse during the media call for why she had not publicly addressed the issue before.

But in congressional testimony Friday, former acting director Steven T. Miller said he had discussed with Lerner about arranging to make a statement at a May 10 conference sponsored by the American Bar Association, knowing that the IG report would soon be released.

Lerner then contacted a friend, Celia Roady, a tax attorney with the Washington firm Morgan Lewis, to ask a question about the targeting, according to a statement by Roady on Friday. (Roady had previously denied this was a planted question when asked directly by participants at the meeting.)

So Lerner was dissembling when she suggested that a simple well-aimed question prompted the disclosure.

In fact, just two days before the ABA conference, Lerner appeared before Congress and was asked about the status of investigations into 501(c)(4) companies by Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.). She provided a bland answer about a questionnaire on the IRS Web site, failing to take the opportunity to disclose the results of the probe. (The clip is embedded below, with the question coming at 5:09.) Small wonder that Crowley is now calling for her to resign, saying that Lerner lied to him.

We gave the IRS the weekend to provide a response. A spokeswoman said they were not able to offer an explanation for Lerner’s remarks in time for our deadline.


The Pinocchio Test

In some ways, this is just scratching the surface of Lerner’s misstatements and weasely wording when the revelations about the IRS’s activities first came to light on May 10. But, taken together, it’s certainly enough to earn her four Pinocchios.

A bushel of Pinocchios for IRS’s Lois Lerner - The Washington Post
 

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We have Citicizens United largely to thank for the explosion in 501c4s.

I think the both sides have a chance to turn the table on the other on the IRS, and AP scandals.

Senate Democrats are already working on a reporter shield bill to protect the press from the government.

Someone should pass a bill of requirements for being a 501c4 group.

Which every side gets out in front these has a chance to use what happened to their advantage.

If the Republicans were to filibuster (they may or may not) the reporter shield bill then how can they criticize Obama and the DOJ.

If I were the Dems I would act quickly to also pass a bill on what is a legitamate of 501c4. Quite frankly there is alot more conservative 501c4s than liberal one's out there so I think they have more to gain from this.

Both sides though have a chance to get out in front of the other on these issues.
 

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So... criticizing Obama is "offensive"?

What do they call the criticism of Bush during his entire time in office?

White House Aide Calls Criticism of Obama ‘Offensive’
By BRIAN KNOWLTON
May 19, 2013, 1:51 pm

A senior adviser to President Obama mounted a combative defense of the administration on Sunday, saying the controversies enveloping the White House were the result of Republican lawmakers’ trying to “drag Washington into a swamp of partisan fishing expeditions, trumped-up hearings and false allegations.”

The remarks came from Dan Pfeiffer, a member of the president’s inner circle, as he appeared on all five major Sunday morning talk shows in an effort to move the administration past what commentators have described as a “hell week” of controversy and missteps. He pointedly rejected Republican criticisms of the president’s actions and leadership style as “offensive” and “absurd,” and he said the administration would not be distracted from doing the nation’s business.

In his appearances, Mr. Pfeiffer faced often tough questioning over the Internal Revenue Service’s targeted reviews of conservative groups; the attack on an American diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September; and the Justice Department’s seizure of journalists’ records.

He repeatedly pointed the finger at Republicans, saying they were exploiting the three issues for political purposes, even as he urged them to work with the administration on legislation to revamp the immigration system and trim the budget deficit.

His warning against “fishing expeditions” came when he was asked on the CBS program “Face the Nation” about a remark by the White House chief of staff, Denis R. McDonough, who said he instructed staff not to spend more than 10 percent of their time on the three controversies.

The program’s host, Bob Schieffer, asked whether that meant that the White House did not take the issues seriously.

“Oh, no. Absolutely not,” Mr. Pfeiffer said. “There are some very serious issues here, particularly the I.R.S., where there was inexcusable conduct that needs to be fixed. And that’s going to happen.” But he said the president and his staff needed to keep “actually doing the people’s work and fighting for the middle class.”

Republicans appearing on the Sunday shows insisted that they would be aggressive in pushing for fuller investigations, particularly of the I.R.S. and Benghazi matters. The administration has promised to cooperate, but is also fighting to keep the problems from overshadowing its agenda.

Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, said on “Fox News Sunday” that investigators examining the I.R.S. scandal needed to answer critical questions: “Who knew? When did they know? Why did they do this? How high up in government did it go?”

Mr. Ryan, a member of the Ways and Means Committee, which on Friday held an often testy hearing about the I.R.S. matter, said Americans had lost confidence in their government. “This is arrogance of power, abuse of power, to the nth degree,” he said.

Representative Tom Price, a Georgia Republican who is also on the committee, said on ABC’s “This Week” that an inspector general’s review of the I.R.S. matter, which was released last week and largely blamed ineffective I.R.S. management for undue scrutiny of Tea Party groups, was “just the beginning of this process.”

Mr. Pfeiffer tried to clarify a main point — Mr. Ryan’s “when did they know” — about when Mr. Obama learned that an I.R.S. unit had given extra scrutiny to conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, saying repeatedly on Sunday that the president had learned about the matter only weeks ago. That was appropriate, he said, given the importance of insulating the I.R.S. from White House pressures.

“There is no question Republicans are trying to make political hay here,” Mr. Pfeiffer said of the I.R.S. scandal. And regarding Benghazi, he said on Fox, “there’s a series of conspiracy theories the Republicans have been spinning about this since the night it happened.”

Chris Wallace, the Fox host, pressed Mr. Pfeiffer to explain exactly what Mr. Obama was doing on Sept. 11 as reports of the attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi emerged — specifically whether the president had gone to the Situation Room to monitor events. Mr. Pfeiffer dismissed the question as irrelevant and rejected what he said was an implication of presidential inattention. The attack killed four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.

“The assertions from Republicans here that somehow the president allowed this to happen and didn’t take action is offensive,” Mr. Pfeiffer said. “There’s no evidence to support it.”

But the minority leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, picking up a Republican theme, cast the disputes as symptoms of a deeper problem. “There is a culture of intimidation throughout the administration,” he said on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” “The I.R.S. is just the most recent example.”

The president has insisted that it would have been wrong to have been involved earlier in the I.R.S. matter or to interfere with the Justice Department’s investigation into leaks that led to the seizure of the journalists’ records. That has provoked criticism that his management style leans too far in the other direction — so detached as to be ineffectual.

“I think that’s an absurd proposition,” Mr. Pfeiffer said on Fox. “What would be a real problem is if he was involved in those things.”

White House Aide Calls Criticism of Obama 'Offensive' - NYTimes.com
 

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I'm giving my 2016 Presidential endorsement. I am giving it to a candidate that probably may not run and probably won't win but the more I here about this guy the more I think he is what America needs.

I'm endorsing Montanta Democratic governor Brian Schweitzer (D). His political idol is Theodore Roosevelt and he actually advocated for things that TR would have done including "trust busting". He is the first political candidate to advocate branking up the big companies in decades.

He has refused to take campaign funds from special interest and Pacs.

He is against Obamacare and wants a government plan that any American could join but also he believe protecting people's choices.

I support his "all of the above" energy policy; procuding more green energy, while also looking for ways to make fossil fuels more efficent and cleaner.

He is more to the right of where I am on guns but it is hardly the biggest issue we face. My understanding is that he is for the expansion of background checks but while still protecting personal sales, and preventing a registry. He is also against an assualt weapons ban and clip limits. Again not where I am but it is not the biggest issue we face.

He supports investments in things like education but believes that government needs to be smarter. He is favor of raising taxes in a progressive way but only as a last resort.

He is a social libertarian and came out for same sex marriage.

I just think we need a true economic popolist as president regardless if they have an R or a D next their name. We have not really had one in decades. Bill Clinton was somewhat of a moderate economic populist. Hillary although less liberal than Obama is more of an economic populist as well but not to the extent that I think she would be someone that file an antitrust suit against say JP Morgan Chase.

All in I think Brian Schweitzer would be a great candidate if he did run. He comes from a Red State yet is pretty popular in Montana.

schweitzer.jpg


Adam Green: Top 10 Things That Make Brian Schweitzer An Awesome Economic Populist

Didn't know much about him but he sounds like a better politician then we are used to hearing about these days. And after reading just a LITTLE bit about him he sounds like he has the countries best interest first and foremost. But i will read more about him i am sure that i will disagree with something but i am ok with that. Can't agree on everything.
 

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Carney: Senior White House staff knew of IRS probe

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House says White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler was first informed about an audit of the IRS' inappropriate targeting of conservative groups on April 24 and that she notified senior staff, including Denis McDonough, the chief of staff to President Barack Obama. White House press secretary Jay Carney says Ruemmler "appropriately" decided not to tell Obama at the time because the audit was ongoing.

The audit by a Treasury Department inspector general found that IRS employees singled out groups with names like "tea party" and "patriots" for special scrutiny that delayed their applications for tax exempt status.

Carney said no one in the White House intervened in the inspector general's audit. He says Obama did not learn of the probe until there were news reports about it.

Carney noted that the practice by the IRS workers ended in May 2012.

Carney: Senior White House staff knew of IRS probe

Really?!?!? Nobody informed Obama about this?

ROTFLMAO!

They're either:
a) lying
b) the most incompetent administration in modern history.

I'll go with c. All of the above.
 

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Carney: Senior White House staff knew of IRS probe

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House says White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler was first informed about an audit of the IRS' inappropriate targeting of conservative groups on April 24 and that she notified senior staff, including Denis McDonough, the chief of staff to President Barack Obama. White House press secretary Jay Carney says Ruemmler "appropriately" decided not to tell Obama at the time because the audit was ongoing.

The audit by a Treasury Department inspector general found that IRS employees singled out groups with names like "tea party" and "patriots" for special scrutiny that delayed their applications for tax exempt status.

Carney said no one in the White House intervened in the inspector general's audit. He says Obama did not learn of the probe until there were news reports about it.

Carney noted that the practice by the IRS workers ended in May 2012.

Carney: Senior White House staff knew of IRS probe

Really?!?!? Nobody informed Obama about this?

ROTFLMAO!

They're either:
a) lying
b) the most incompetent administration in modern history.

I'll go with c. All of the above.


And don't forget Obama's Joke about it in 2009....LOL. Kinda ironic.


But you're right. Incompetence.
 

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So... criticizing Obama is "offensive"?

What do they call the criticism of Bush during his entire time in office?

White House Aide Calls Criticism of Obama ‘Offensive’
By BRIAN KNOWLTON
May 19, 2013, 1:51 pm

A senior adviser to President Obama mounted a combative defense of the administration on Sunday, saying the controversies enveloping the White House were the result of Republican lawmakers’ trying to “drag Washington into a swamp of partisan fishing expeditions, trumped-up hearings and false allegations.”

The remarks came from Dan Pfeiffer, a member of the president’s inner circle, as he appeared on all five major Sunday morning talk shows in an effort to move the administration past what commentators have described as a “hell week” of controversy and missteps. He pointedly rejected Republican criticisms of the president’s actions and leadership style as “offensive” and “absurd,” and he said the administration would not be distracted from doing the nation’s business.

In his appearances, Mr. Pfeiffer faced often tough questioning over the Internal Revenue Service’s targeted reviews of conservative groups; the attack on an American diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September; and the Justice Department’s seizure of journalists’ records.

He repeatedly pointed the finger at Republicans, saying they were exploiting the three issues for political purposes, even as he urged them to work with the administration on legislation to revamp the immigration system and trim the budget deficit.

His warning against “fishing expeditions” came when he was asked on the CBS program “Face the Nation” about a remark by the White House chief of staff, Denis R. McDonough, who said he instructed staff not to spend more than 10 percent of their time on the three controversies.

The program’s host, Bob Schieffer, asked whether that meant that the White House did not take the issues seriously.

“Oh, no. Absolutely not,” Mr. Pfeiffer said. “There are some very serious issues here, particularly the I.R.S., where there was inexcusable conduct that needs to be fixed. And that’s going to happen.” But he said the president and his staff needed to keep “actually doing the people’s work and fighting for the middle class.”

Republicans appearing on the Sunday shows insisted that they would be aggressive in pushing for fuller investigations, particularly of the I.R.S. and Benghazi matters. The administration has promised to cooperate, but is also fighting to keep the problems from overshadowing its agenda.

Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, said on “Fox News Sunday” that investigators examining the I.R.S. scandal needed to answer critical questions: “Who knew? When did they know? Why did they do this? How high up in government did it go?”

Mr. Ryan, a member of the Ways and Means Committee, which on Friday held an often testy hearing about the I.R.S. matter, said Americans had lost confidence in their government. “This is arrogance of power, abuse of power, to the nth degree,” he said.

Representative Tom Price, a Georgia Republican who is also on the committee, said on ABC’s “This Week” that an inspector general’s review of the I.R.S. matter, which was released last week and largely blamed ineffective I.R.S. management for undue scrutiny of Tea Party groups, was “just the beginning of this process.”

Mr. Pfeiffer tried to clarify a main point — Mr. Ryan’s “when did they know” — about when Mr. Obama learned that an I.R.S. unit had given extra scrutiny to conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, saying repeatedly on Sunday that the president had learned about the matter only weeks ago. That was appropriate, he said, given the importance of insulating the I.R.S. from White House pressures.

“There is no question Republicans are trying to make political hay here,” Mr. Pfeiffer said of the I.R.S. scandal. And regarding Benghazi, he said on Fox, “there’s a series of conspiracy theories the Republicans have been spinning about this since the night it happened.”

Chris Wallace, the Fox host, pressed Mr. Pfeiffer to explain exactly what Mr. Obama was doing on Sept. 11 as reports of the attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi emerged — specifically whether the president had gone to the Situation Room to monitor events. Mr. Pfeiffer dismissed the question as irrelevant and rejected what he said was an implication of presidential inattention. The attack killed four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.

“The assertions from Republicans here that somehow the president allowed this to happen and didn’t take action is offensive,” Mr. Pfeiffer said. “There’s no evidence to support it.”

But the minority leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, picking up a Republican theme, cast the disputes as symptoms of a deeper problem. “There is a culture of intimidation throughout the administration,” he said on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” “The I.R.S. is just the most recent example.”

The president has insisted that it would have been wrong to have been involved earlier in the I.R.S. matter or to interfere with the Justice Department’s investigation into leaks that led to the seizure of the journalists’ records. That has provoked criticism that his management style leans too far in the other direction — so detached as to be ineffectual.

“I think that’s an absurd proposition,” Mr. Pfeiffer said on Fox. “What would be a real problem is if he was involved in those things.”

White House Aide Calls Criticism of Obama 'Offensive' - NYTimes.com

This is why nobody takes a real offensive comment, seriously. It's watered down with BS like this.

Disagree with Obama.....you're offensive or racist. It's the same song and dance since he took office.
 

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Liberals are always liberals first. They will simply blameshift, side step, or accuse. They will never take responsibility. That would involve change.
 

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Liberals are always liberals first. They will simply blameshift, side step, or accuse. They will never take responsibility. That would involve change.

Who won't change? Liberal groups are growing, conservative groups are shrinking. The world is changing. IMHO many folks need to open their eyes. The Republicans know what's up, that's why they're so cranky right now.

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Who won't change? Liberal groups are growing, conservative groups are shrinking. The world is changing. IMHO many folks need to open their eyes. The Republicans know what's up, that's why they're so cranky right now.

5210682978_republican_party_tombstone_xlarge.jpeg

How are liberal groups "growing"??

Just curious...
 

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Because the IRS lets them slide through.


LOL...could you imagine if this was Media Matters or NAACP?!?!?!?!

Unreal that some liberals dismiss this as no big deal or not a scandal.


Are you kidding me? Allowing government to get away with going after who they don't like (don't care the party lines) is very dangerous.
 

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LOL...could you imagine if this was Media Matters or NAACP?!?!?!?!

Unreal that some liberals dismiss this as no big deal or not a scandal.


Are you kidding me? Allowing government to get away with going after who they don't like (don't care the party lines) is very dangerous.

It's been going on post-WW2 it's just easier to find out about it.
 
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