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Serious question. What part of what the President said do you disagree with? I read two articles on this interview and don't see how any rational person could disagree with what he said. He never once mentioned that the govt would have any part in changing the game, he just said that the game will have to eventually make changes for the safety of it's players. He even mentioned that he worries less about the NFL than college because they collectively represent themselves and are grown men get paid handsomely for their risk.

The reality is that after what we now know about concussions and how much easier they are to get, I wouldn't let my son play football until at least high school as well. There is an insane amount of data out there proving that concussions are extremely dangerous, especially for growing kids. The damage is also not something you know about until it's too late. Ask Dave Duerson, Junior Seau or Jim Mcmahon.

As far as the "what do they have to fall back on", how is a kid going to fall back on an education if he can't function because of CTE?

I get that some of you dislike the Prez because of his politics, but if you disagree with something he said, then you aren't paying attention to the current data out there on concussions.

Would you let you boy ride a bike or play backyard football? Would you let you daughter play soccer or basketball? Those activities for those genders produce an abnormal risk of tbi. To me the issue isn't the risk, its how you react when something happens. The bigger risk isn't the activity itself, but rather inaction once it occurs. If my kids wants to play, he can. I will make sure the coaches teach the right fundementals and that his ppe fits him the way it should. I will also make sure that if there is any hint of tbi, he is taken care of. I had a concussion as a 10 year old playing basketball. I couldn't play for three weeks bc my parents wanted to be safe. After visiting with a dr, i was cleared. Whats wrong with that?
 
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Gm repaid the government for the bailout and are standing on their own 2 feet. They are number one in the word again. Don't act like the government still supporting them.

The bailout was paid back in full. All these people are now paying taxes instead of standing in unemployment. Everyone complains about spending. In the long run the bailout of GM actually saved the government money.

LOL WUT

What I can't understand how people can dismiss the human cost for this or any other issue. These are people's lives we are talking about. It amazes me how we don't give a crap for our fellow man.

This is bullshit. General Motors got special treatment because they're UAW. Democrats weren't thinking about their "fellow man," they were thinking of their politician muscle.

It's not like GM wouldn't have existed. The company still had value. What would have happened is that the UAW contracts would have been torn up and the union would have been pulverized. In other words, GM would have had to join the real world.

Last I checked, American taxpayers are going to lose ~$25,000,000,000 on this deal. TWENTY-FIVE BILLION.
 
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Would you let you boy ride a bike or play backyard football? Would you let you daughter play soccer or basketball? Those activities for those genders produce an abnormal risk of tbi. To me the issue isn't the risk, its how you react when something happens. The bigger risk isn't the activity itself, but rather inaction once it occurs. If my kids wants to play, he can. I will make sure the coaches teach the right fundementals and that his ppe fits him the way it should. I will also make sure that if there is any hint of tbi, he is taken care of. I had a concussion as a 10 year old playing basketball. I couldn't play for three weeks bc my parents wanted to be safe. After visiting with a dr, i was cleared. Whats wrong with that?

You just named a bunch of non contact sports. Those sports don't have contact as part of the game. Can it happen, sure. But head contact is all but a certainty in football. Studies have shown that repeated contact to skeletally immature children can and will cause long term damage.

Here is an excerpt from Joe Nocera of The Times, who wrote about often referenced study by Stone Phillips’s:

“Hard Hits, Hard Numbers” includes interviews with Virginia Tech researchers who placed instrumented helmets on seven and eight-year-old football players and collected data on more than 750 hits to the head over the course of a season.

The details are jarring: the researchers found that some head impacts in youth football are equal in force to some of the bigger hits seen at the college level. And 3.5 million kids ages 6-13 play tackle football, compared to just 2,000 NFL players. “Nobody expected to see hits of this magnitude,” said lead researcher Stefan Duma.

Mr. Phillips brought the results to our attention, he wrote, “because I played football through college, had a couple of concussions and believe this issue is of importance to millions of families.”

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jAU_iJon0-A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Now, i'm not trying to be condescending, but have those of you that think that this is "soft" ever actually researched the subject? There is a tremendous amount of studies and information regarding the danger of youth football. You can say you disagree if you want to, but you are ignoring a ridiculous amount of long term studies that have all but proven the danger of the sport.
 

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You just named a bunch of non contact sports. Those sports don't have contact as part of the game. Can it happen, sure. But head contact is all but a certainty in football. Studies have shown that repeated contact to skeletally immature children can and will cause long term damage.

Here is an excerpt from Joe Nocera of The Times, who wrote about often referenced study by Stone Phillips’s:

“Hard Hits, Hard Numbers” includes interviews with Virginia Tech researchers who placed instrumented helmets on seven and eight-year-old football players and collected data on more than 750 hits to the head over the course of a season.

The details are jarring: the researchers found that some head impacts in youth football are equal in force to some of the bigger hits seen at the college level. And 3.5 million kids ages 6-13 play tackle football, compared to just 2,000 NFL players. “Nobody expected to see hits of this magnitude,” said lead researcher Stefan Duma.

Mr. Phillips brought the results to our attention, he wrote, “because I played football through college, had a couple of concussions and believe this issue is of importance to millions of families.”

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ameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Now, i'm not trying to be condescending, but have those of you that think that this is "soft" ever actually researched the subject? There is a tremendous amount of studies and information regarding the danger of youth football. You can say you disagree if you want to, but you are ignoring a ridiculous amount of long term studies that have all but proven the danger of the sport.

Well, the cdc stats say the chance for tbi for a boy in football is about .47 per 1000 athlete exposures. The rate for girls soccer? It is .36. So that means the incurrence rate is 1 extra injury per 10,000 istances between the two.

I ask you again based on this knowledge, would you let your girl play soccer?
 

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Well, the cdc stats say the chance for tbi for a boy in football is about .47 per 1000 athlete exposures. The rate for girls soccer? It is .36. So that means the incurrence rate is 1 extra injury per 10,000 istances between the two.

I ask you again based on this knowledge, would you let your girl play soccer?

If you are going to simply pull stats off of the front page of the CDC site, you could at least post the entire comment and not just pull out the info you want to use.

Numbers and rates are highest in football (55,007; 0.47 per 1000 athlete exposures) and girl’s soccer (29,167; 0.36 per 1000 athlete exposures)

So when you look at it that way, there are almost twice the amount of concussions and 24% more likelyhood per capita that your kid will be injured. That is a significant difference. Furthermore, youth football has is the highest risk sport for spinal cord injuries as well. With a a per capita rate of 1.6 per 100,000 participants. Finally, you are not adding into the equation that the concussions in football can by much more severe (see the video I posted previously for more info on that)

To answer your question, yes I would let my daughter play youth soccer because it is on a similar risk level as bicycling according to the CDC. There is also a completely different culture of protection from coaches, staffs and schools for that sport. Where football does not. I will try to protect my kid as much as reasonably possible and not purposely expose them to a 24% more likelyhood of head trauma and the additional higher risk of spinal trauma.
 
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I never thought I'd see the day when this thread was officially off topic, but here it is.
 

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Gm repaid the government for the bailout and are standing on their own 2 feet. They are number one in the word again. Don't act like the government still supporting them.

What I can't understand how people can dismiss the human cost for this or any other issue. These are people's lives we are talking about. It amazes me how we don't give a crap for our fellow man.

The bailout was paid back in full. All these people are now paying taxes instead of standing in unemployment. Everyone complains about spending. In the long run the bailout of GM actually saved the government money.

Since Bluster already beat me to it on the share prices, etc...

1) They are not #1 in the world again. How did you arrive at this conclusion? They're still selling a ton of cars that can't compete in the market (hello, chevy volt).

2) How about the human cost and the labor of the TAXPAYERS whose money is keeping this welfare program afloat? Do the unions and their employees nice wages and cushy benefits packages hold more value than them? Please.

3) Those employees (had GM filed for bankruptcy) could've found employment elsewhere in the same industry. Don't act like 200,000 auto workers would be homeless on the street living in boxes. They might have to leave their big bad union, but they'd be able to find gainful employment in the auto industry.
 

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If you are going to simply pull stats off of the front page of the CDC site, you could at least post the entire comment and not just pull out the info you want to use.



So when you look at it that way, there are almost twice the amount of concussions and 24% more likelyhood per capita that your kid will be injured. That is a significant difference. Furthermore, youth football has is the highest risk sport for spinal cord injuries as well. With a a per capita rate of 1.6 per 100,000 participants.

To answer your question, yes I would let my daughter play youth soccer because it is on a similar risk level as bicycling according to the CDC. There is also a completely different culture of protection from coaches, staffs and schools for that sport. Where football does not. I will try to protect my kid as much as reasonably possible and not purposely expose them to a 24% more likelyhood of head trauma and the additional higher risk of spinal trauma.

Painting the general population with quite the large brush there? There are so many communities and school districts that are scared sh**less about concussions, they will simply not take the risk. My local community makes it mandatory that a doctor be on the sideline for each team. It's the same doctor throughout the year and meets with parents as often as parents wish. You can still protect your kid without having to keep them out of participating.

As far as the stats are concerned, the number of injuries are proportional to participation, so the raw number of injuries is irrelevant. Also saying that it is 24% more likely to occur is true, but let's look at what are the odds of other harmful things happening to people. Remember, concussion happen to 4.7 per 10,000 instances, or about 1 in 2,100 chance of happening.
- Odds of injury mowing the lawn - 1 in 3,623
- Odds of dying in a plane crash in your lifetime - 1 in 5,000
- Odds of dying on a bicycle- 1 in 4472
- Odds of dying from fall on and from stairs and steps 1 in 2,248
- Odds of being struck by lightening in your lifetime (Est. 80 years) 1 in 5,000.
Finally, according to the NCAA, 8 in 10,000 high school football players make it the NFL. That is a long shot right? Well, that is almost double the chance of a kid having a tbi while playing youth football at any point in time.
 
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Painting the general population with quite the large brush there? There are so many communities and school districts that are scared sh**less about concussions, they will simply not take the risk. My local community makes it mandatory that a doctor be on the sideline for each team. It's the same doctor throughout the year and meets with parents as often as parents wish. You can still protect your kid without having to keep them out of participating.

As far as the stats are concerned, the number of injuries are proportional to participation, so the raw number of injuries is irrelevant. Also saying that it is 24% more likely to occur is true, but let's look at what are the odds of other harmful things happening to people. Remember, concussion happen to 4.7 per 10,000 instances, or about 1 in 2,100 chance of happening.
- Odds of injury mowing the lawn - 1 in 3,623
- Odds of dying in a plane crash in your lifetime - 1 in 5,000
- Odds of dying on a bicycle- 1 in 4472
- Odds of dying from fall on and from stairs and steps 1 in 2,248
- Odds of being struck by lightening in your lifetime (Est. 80 years) 1 in 5,000.
Finally, according to the NCAA, 8 in 10,000 high school football players make it the NFL. That is a long shot right? Well, that is almost double the chance of a kid having a tbi while playing youth football at any point in time.

You have to be kidding me with those stats. Link a reference please...

Furthermore, you are talking about "injuries" with those statistics, not specifically head trauma that is capable of doing long term damage to a child's brain. Apples and Oranges.
 
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A big of the jobs issue is China and other low wage countries. Why did we get rid of tariffs? Sure it made things cheaper to buy but it is killing jobs. The scary thing is our import/export trade is 1 billion dollar a day trade deficit.

Instead of a sales tax if we had a value added (VAT) tax it might help. Basically every time a product is changed or moved there is a very small tax on it. If we replaced our sales tax with VAT taxes stuff made in the US would cost about the same and stuff shipped from China and other countries would cost more. This would create more of a demand at home grown products at home.

Every country has VAT taxes we are the only suckers that get burned from not having any sort of tariff type protections. VAT taxes would add to the treasurery and help American companies sell better at home. So it will help create jobs at home.
 
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A big of the jobs issue is China and other low wage countries. Why did we get rid of tariffs? Sure it made things cheaper to buy but it is killing jobs. The scary thing is our import/export trade is 1 billion dollar a day trade deficit.

Instead of a sales tax if we had a value added (VAT) tax it might help. Basically every time a product is changed or moved there is a very small tax on it. If we replaced our sales tax with VAT taxes stuff made in the US would cost about the same and stuff shipped from China and other countries would cost more. This would create more of a demand at home grown products at home.

Every country has VAT taxes we are the only suckers that get burned from not having any sort of tariff type protections. VAT taxes would add to the treasurery and help American companies sell better at home. So it will help create jobs at home.

haha did you even read the article? That's not at all what it's talking about. Besides, fighting globalization is futile.
 

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haha did you even read the article? That's not at all what it's talking about. Besides, fighting globalization is futile.

No I didn't read the article I was making my own point.

China VAT taxes us Europe VAT taxes us we are the only suckers that don't VAT tax. Our population as more purchasing power per capita than any other country. Yet that purchasing power goes to buy stuff from other countries. It is not part ignoring globalization it is about leveling the playing field for home made products.
 

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I just read the article it seems like technology is going to be big issue.

If you think low wages overseas don't have anything to do with job loss you are wrong.
 
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I just read the article it seems like technology is going to be big issue.

An independent question, how much Marx has you read?

If you think low wages overseas don't have anything to do with job loss you are wrong.

No, they certainly are. But let's not act like there aren't benefits to cheap labor. The real difficulty is that shifting the economy away from 20th manufacturing to 21st century manufacturing. But I think what we're seeing is technology's exponential increases happening too fast for economic shifts to even happen.

By the end of the century, 75% (a random guess) of the population won't even need to have a job.

Karl Marx's main point (at least early Marx), is that as technology increases, it replaces the worth of someone's work.

Back in the day, if you were a good farmer, you might produce 10X amount of crop and a bad farmer produced 3X crop. But now you've introduced machinery (which totally replaced horses), and a good farmer produces 100X crop and bad farmer produces 90X crop. Karl Marx makes the point that although productivity goes through the roof (and thus we crushed poverty as it was known), your "skill" as a worker was crushed too. In the 19th century it was agriculture, textiles, and light manufacturing. In the 20th century all of those proceeded, and heavy manufacturing was added to the list. In the 1980s onward we saw computers replace the need for so many secretaries and HR in general. In 2000s we saw things like legalzoom.com replace the need for a lot of lawyer work. We are seeing it in law and education now (online classes, recorded lectures, webcam).

Marx's reality is coming true, in the sense that once robots reach a certain point you won't need nearly ANYONE in a factory, Chinese or not. You'll need a few dozens repairmen (until they're are robots for those, lol). You won't need migrant workers, you'll have robots that can scan plants, pick weeds, vacuum harmful insects, etc.

The point of the article is that technology is on that tipping point. We simply don't need as many workers. In that sense, it has nothing to do with "low wages overseas," because even the Chinese will be replaced by robots who can work 22-hour days seven days a week for five years.

It's worth noting that one of the biggest reasons the Romans never accidentally had an industrial revolution is that they had slaves. Cheap, cheap labor that was basically endless due to all of the wars. They knew what steam power was, they knew enough math. They were certainly smart enough to accidentally put it all together. The moment the robot price equilibrium comes below that of Indian/Mexican/Chinese workers (which is raising), another massive industrial revolution is coming.
 

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FYI - Lou Holtz needed a pep talk after Obama won again. In fact, Lou thinks the country is going down the tubes. Just thought I would pass it along to all of the resident political junkies.

‘I’m Done, Finished, the Country’s Over With’: Guess Who Sent That Text Message to John Boehner After Obama’s Inauguration | Video | TheBlaze.com

That is funny.

I was not happy when George W Bush. If you don't like something Lou get out there use your free speech and try to change it.

I am also surprised. Bill Clinton supported and really campaigned for Obama. Bill Clinto same guy who as Arkansas attorney general saved Lou's behind when during his law suit as Arkansas attorney general.
 
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To answer your question buster b. I have not read much Marx. I suppose even if one supports capitalism he would be a good read for educational purposes. Even capitalist nations like ours have elements of socialism involved public schools, post office, etc.
 
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Even capitalist nations like ours have elements of socialism involved public schools, post office, etc.

You're looking at it like capitalism is the opposite of socialism. It's not. That idea is meant to bastardize your opinion.

Capitalism, in simplest terms, is using capital-intensive technology/machinery to increase production levels. In many, many sense, capitalism is an absolute miracle that without question has lifted billions out of poverty.

You're looking that defunct government programs that have been replaced by more efficient models. There is no need for a USPS that is as large as it is, and public schools are a disaster because they refuse to change. That isn't "socialism" or considering the "fellow man" as many would have you believe.

Everyone who accepts that we live in a society is a socialist. We've only given the terms capitalism and socialism to things we do or don't like.
 

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To answer your question buster b. I have not read much Marx. I suppose even if one supports capitalism he would be a good read for educational purposes. Even capitalist nations like ours have elements of socialism involved public schools, post office, etc.

As far as i can tell hes very renown in other domains aswell, not in a bad way either, most of my intro courses atleast mention Marx
 

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You have to be kidding me with those stats. Link a reference please...

Furthermore, you are talking about "injuries" with those statistics, not specifically head trauma that is capable of doing long term damage to a child's brain. Apples and Oranges.

I am in a rush, so here are links to most of that info....
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility...Probability_of_Competing_Past_High_School.pdf
the lifetime lightning came from the national weather service from data for 2001-2004, lawn mowing Odds are you shouldn't get out of bed andbike and plane were from national safety council.
 

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Since Bluster already beat me to it on the share prices, etc...

1) They are not #1 in the world again. How did you arrive at this conclusion? They're still selling a ton of cars that can't compete in the market (hello, chevy volt).

2) How about the human cost and the labor of the TAXPAYERS whose money is keeping this welfare program afloat? Do the unions and their employees nice wages and cushy benefits packages hold more value than them? Please.

3) Those employees (had GM filed for bankruptcy) could've found employment elsewhere in the same industry. Don't act like 200,000 auto workers would be homeless on the street living in boxes. They might have to leave their big bad union, but they'd be able to find gainful employment in the auto industry.

Saul Alinsky: I know another $800 billion stimulus and a bigger VAT would put the US in this progressive utopia democrats have been talking about since 2009, but I still see no response from you on these 3 points.
 

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I am in a rush, so here are links to most of that info....
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility...Probability_of_Competing_Past_High_School.pdf
the lifetime lightning came from the national weather service from data for 2001-2004, lawn mowing Odds are you shouldn't get out of bed andbike and plane were from national safety council.

Did you really just use a site called "Magic Valley" as a reference.

Let me know if you end up having any other last straws to grasp at.
 

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haha did you even read the article? That's not at all what it's talking about. Besides, fighting globalization is futile.

But what is the best outcome for globalization? Is it that we may become more like China or that China will become more like us? Or is there some other 3rd way that no one has recognized yet?
 
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