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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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    Votes: 130 36.9%

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GoIrish41

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The Bush tax cuts? Which Obama continued.....and which is why Obama stays away from that topic.


And I think we all agree with elimnating loop holes....but you want to ask someone to stop using them until then or they "have no integrity"? LOL Come on. Again, they're available for all!

And you can eliminate debt a helluva lot faster if you curb spending first and teach our government that we're not just an ATM and that they need to work with less. Than just overtaxing those that are successful. And raising taxes DOES NOTHING if you keep adding more spending to the books, does it?

There is a happy medium.....But we need to cut spending first

I completely agree that there is a happy medium. However, until all of the republicans who signed the Norquist pledge publically denounce said pledge and agree to actually work with democrats on a sensible way forward, I strenuously disagree that we should cut spending first.
 

IrishJayhawk

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I completely agree that there is a happy medium. However, until all of the republicans who signed the Norquist pledge publically denounce said pledge and agree to actually work with democrats on a sensible way forward, I strenuously disagree that we should cut spending first.

Remember that the Republicans running for the nomination all said they would vote against $1 of new tax revenue for $10 of spending cuts.
 

IrishJayhawk

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Sort of like how Harry Reid has released his income taxes? 4 years ago the Dow was at 9,000. Now it's at 13,000.

The dow was at 9,000 and plunging when Obama took office. It hit bottom at about 6,600 in March of 2009...two months after Obama took office.
 

Polish Leppy 22

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Obama: Universal access to health care, saving the auto industry, slow (perhaps too slow) but steady economic growth, fair pay for women, doubling of the stock market, protecting a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions

Romney: Balanced budget by spending an extra $8 trillion and not paying for it, lowering the tax rates and thereby reducing revenues that could be used to pay down the debt, gutting government programs and agencies that stablize American lives, getting rid of FEMA and letting the states fend for themselves when a national disaster happens.

Don't you get tired of having all your myths debunked on here on a regular basis? Quit it with the Obama talking points you're reading on daily kos and move on.org. They aren't doing you or the country any good.

1) Everyone has access to health care. Everyone has to pay for it, too. If it were so magnificent and popular, 26 states wouldn't be fighting it in court. 40% of small businesses also say they won't hire because obamacare is costing them too much in expenses.

2) GM is a giant welfare program and guess what...no one gives a damn about chevy volts. If you still think he "saved" GM, you're drinking the kool aid special.

3) You call this growth? Unemployment, number of people out of work, and debt are all higher since obama took office. Forward! Yes! Wheeeeeee

4) Government has no authroity forcing companies how to pay certain people. Some men are more valuable in some jobs and some women are more valuable than others.

5) Where do you get the idea that the president of the United States can double the stock market? lol

6) No one's threatening women's rights about what to do their bodies. Where are you getting this garbage? Repeating everything Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donell spew on facebook and twitter isn't logic.
 

Irish Houstonian

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The dow was at 9,000 and plunging when Obama took office. It hit bottom at about 6,600 in March of 2009...two months after Obama took office.

So...best interpretation: it plunged on Obama's watch, and then he gets credit for "doubling" it, which is basically taking its lowest point ever, and comparing it to now.

Got it. Wish my portfolio worked that way. I'm sure all Americans were smart enough only to buy at the bottom of the crash, thereby letting the Great Obama "double" their portfolios.
 

IrishJayhawk

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So...best interpretation: it plunged on Obama's watch, and then he gets credit for "doubling" it, which is basically taking its lowest point ever, and comparing it to now.

Got it. Wish my portfolio worked that way. I'm sure all Americans were smart enough only to buy at the bottom of the crash, thereby letting the Great Obama "double" their portfolios.

That's the "best interpretation"? :)

I would say that the economy was in a free fall when Obama took office. It didn't suddenly stop falling when he took office. The dow has, however, recovered on his watch. You can argue 9,000 or 6,600 if you want.
 

Irish Houstonian

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That's the "best interpretation"? :)

I would say that the economy was in a free fall when Obama took office. It didn't suddenly stop falling when he took office. The dow has, however, recovered on his watch. You can argue 9,000 or 6,600 if you want.

Right. Saying that the "dow recovered on his watch" is much different than saying "Obama doubled the stock market", which is just retarded.
 

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That's the "best interpretation"? :)

I would say that the economy was in a free fall when Obama took office. It didn't suddenly stop falling when he took office. The dow has, however, recovered on his watch. You can argue 9,000 or 6,600 if you want.

Thank God for those Bush Tax cuts, right??
 

irishpat183

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I'm in line to vote right now...lol.

There is this lady standing out front peddling republican literature to vote "straight ticket". There could t be anything more ignorant.

But if I were to wear at "Vote ----- for pres" I'd be thrown out?

'Merica
 

WaveDomer

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So...best interpretation: it plunged on Obama's watch, and then he gets credit for "doubling" it, which is basically taking its lowest point ever, and comparing it to now.

Got it. Wish my portfolio worked that way. I'm sure all Americans were smart enough only to buy at the bottom of the crash, thereby letting the Great Obama "double" their portfolios.

To be fair, under Obama's Admin they did push the stock market upwards, mainly through Quantitative Easing. That should really anger liberals, since it's redistribution of wealth upwards, but it probably doesn't and won't.
 

GoIrish41

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So...best interpretation: it plunged on Obama's watch, and then he gets credit for "doubling" it, which is basically taking its lowest point ever, and comparing it to now.

Got it. Wish my portfolio worked that way. I'm sure all Americans were smart enough only to buy at the bottom of the crash, thereby letting the Great Obama "double" their portfolios.

C'mon man. Dems. are willing to give Bush credit for all the stuff that happened during his administration. His economny was in freefall because of two wars unpaid for and the collapse of the housing market when nobody was watching the store. Give your president some love for cleaning up Bush's mess. If this recovery happened under him the GOP's hands would hurt from high-fiving one another.
 

Irish Houstonian

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To be fair, under Obama's Admin they did push the stock market upwards, mainly through Quantitative Easing. That should really anger liberals, since it's redistribution of wealth upwards, but it probably doesn't and won't.

No, it's has risen under Obama's watch, so credit where it's due.

But to put it this way: if GoIrish used that math in a mutual fund prospectus he would be in prison.
 

irishpat183

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C'mon man. Dems. are willing to give Bush credit for all the stuff that happened during his administration. His economny was in freefall because of two wars unpaid for and the collapse of the housing market when nobody was watching the store. Give your president some love for cleaning up Bush's mess. If this recovery happened under him the GOP's hands would hurt from high-fiving one another.

But the housing market wasn't on him...and at least those wars were voted on. Mind you that many a democrat voted on them as we'll.....
 

IrishJayhawk

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Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from, teach, but to each his own.

Besides, hasn't it been Obama attacking mentally challenged people?

Obama made one comment about his bowling and the special Olympics. It was a dumb thing to say.

And "to each his own" also gives me the right to gently say, "I would prefer that you didn't say things like that." That's all I did, no?
 

WaveDomer

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No, it's has risen under Obama's watch, so credit where it's due.

But to put it this way: if GoIrish used that math in a mutual fund prospectus he would be in prison.

I know. My point is that it's mainly smoke and mirrors and it benefits the wealthy. Or the 1% if you like. It's easy to push the stock market upwards when you basically hand out free money all over the place. But in return you push up the price of commodities, which costs average Americans more, and you have to pay back the borrowing, which will cost average Americans more. But hey, the stock market is up, so all is good. Right?
 
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