Politics

[Ndaccountant]

I think most Americans feared Obama care because of relentless Republican fear mongering.

I feared the president because he had no prior leadership experience and his economic knowledge was on par with a high school junior.

I still question both.

And before you get the whole Romney said / did this or that, I don't like either of them.

 

[PraetorianND]

I feared the president because he had no prior leadership experience and his economic knowledge was on par with a high school junior.

I still question both.

And before you get the whole Romney said / did this or that, I don't like either of them.

LOL. Asinine.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

French PM endorses Obama

French PM breaks protocol with Obama endorsement - US ELECTIONS 2012 - FRANCE 24

 

[DSully1995]

I feared Obama because he was grossly inexperienced and one of the most liberal extreme senators (next to Kerry). Plus he had Congress and the Senate behind him if he won and Democrats Gone Wild scares me slightly more than Republicans Gone Wild.

I also feared McCain. He wa/is s a career legislator with the economic knowledge of a pile of crap.

South Park had it right, the options were a sh!t sandwich (McCain) versus giant douche (Obama).

Governors make better Presidents. They have executive experience that Congressment and Senators lack. As such, Romney is immensely more qualified for the job and I take solace in the Grand Ole Party refusing to embrace him.

Yeah **** it. Lets just put ina ol' Arnold Schwarzy in there, Govs are always better than senators could ever be.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Yeah **** it. Lets just put ina ol' Arnold Schwarzy in there, Govs are always better than senators could ever be.

Saying "governors have tended to be better presidents" does not mean "every governor is a better president".

 

[DSully1995]

Saying "governors have tended to be better presidents" does not mean "every governor is a better president".

Yes. but thats not what he said, he did make a blanket statement, I under historical tendencies and would agree, but dont generalize that much is what im saying.

 

[GoIrish41]

If experience is what matters, I'd think we'd all be voting for a guy who has experience at being president. That's a guy who can hit the ground running on Day One.

 

[GoIrish41]

For folks who endured Hurricane Sandy, this may be a huge issue.

Disaster relief: Obama, Romney differ on federal role - CNN.com

Romney also said during the primaries that does not believe it is the federal government's role to react to natural disasters and that the states should handle this on thier own. His reasoning ... it is too expensive and he finds it immoral to add money to the debt.

 

[ab2cmiller]

If experience is what matters, I'd think we'd all be voting for a guy who has experience at being president. That's a guy who can hit the ground running on Day One.

Bernie Madoff has "experience" handling investments, but I wouldn't want him to be my investment manager. Obama has "experience", but I don't want him to be President.

 

[GoIrish41]

Bernie Madoff has "experience" handling investments, but I wouldn't want him to be my investment manager. Obama has "experience", but I don't want him to be President.

Given Romney's chances of winning his home state, I'd say the in Mass. believe his experience as a governor was less than impressive.

 

[phgreek]

French PM endorses Obama

French PM breaks protocol with Obama endorsement - US ELECTIONS 2012 - FRANCE 24

Not shocked France sees Obama as a better choice...shocked the PM would hang his *** out there like that...

Costly if ya get it wrong...

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Given Romney's chances of winning his home state, I'd say the in Mass. believe his experience as a governor was less than impressive.

You've made this point before in this thread...I don't think it's possible for a Republican presidential candidate to win Massachusetts in today's climate, regardless of performance. (As in, it hasn't happened in almost 30 years...) Thus, his losing the state is more a reflection of today's politics than the citizens' approval of his time as governor.

Al Gore lost Tennessee for example, and he still won the popular vote of the entire nation.

And Texans still love Ann Richards, but as a Democrat her chances of winning Texas as a presidential candidate are quite slim...

 

[BobD]

Yeah **** it. Lets just put ina ol' Arnold Schwarzy in there, Govs are always better than senators could ever be.

Luckily Arnold can't be President.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Not shocked France sees Obama as a better choice...shocked the PM would hang his *** out there like that...

Costly if ya get it wrong...

With their new 80% millionaire tax, he's probably afraid all the rich Frenchmen will move to the US if Romney wins.

 

[phgreek]

Given Romney's chances of winning his home state, I'd say the in Mass. believe his experience as a governor was less than impressive.

Its hard to say its all political for sure, as the guy did get elected Gov. there. Still presidential politics seems more like a gang fight between the big 2 than state elections for some reason...

no one was saying Jesse Ventura should be POTUS...I do however, believe the experience of Governor is more translatable to domestic management issues faced by the POTUS. Senators understand legislation and the broken *** process,which can be helpfull. Me, I'd rather have a person who can be an executive, and get the aid who knows congress' BS.

 

[phgreek]

Luckily Arnold can't be President.

...oh no, the born here thing...you know what that leads to...I think you did it deliberately so you guys have someone to beat upon....

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think governors just tend to get more stuff done. They've been to the dance before and can craft majorities from different blocs.

In modern-day, Reagan, Clinton and W. Bush were all governors and, like them or not, accomplished a lot of things during their terms.

By contrast, Ford, H.W. Bush and Obama were all Senators/Congressmen. As we know, they didn't do a whole lot domestically. Under their watches the country just sort of idled.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think governors just tend to get more stuff done. They've been to the dance before and can craft majorities from different blocs.

In modern-day, Reagan, Clinton and W. Bush were all governors and, like them or not, accomplished a lot of things during their terms.

By contrast, Ford, H.W. Bush and Obama were all Senators/Congressmen. As we know, they didn't do a whole lot domestically. Under their watches the country just sort of idled.

I agree with some of what you said. However, you can dislike Obama and his policies, but he has done a whole lot more than you are willing to give him credit for. The nation hardly stagnated in his first term. This country was in an all out crisis when he took office. If you think it is in the same shape as it was four years ago, you have a very short memory.

 

[Buster Bluth]

In modern-day, Reagan, Clinton and W. Bush were all governors and, like them or not, accomplished a lot of things during their terms.

That's a debatable word to a libertarian.

 

[drayer54]

Saying "governors have tended to be better presidents" does not mean "every governor is a better president".

I think we learned that one the hard way the last decade!


The way I see it....

Obama wins because this is 2004 part deux. The unelectable incumbent gets opposition from the out-of-touch, wealthy, unlikeable, 9 home owning, Massachusetts flip flopper.

I feel like the GOP should be punished for 4 more years for giving me said options.

Either way... the path looks the same.. more government, more spending...etc.

A littly Poly-Sci never hurt a forum......

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I agree with some of what you said. However, you can dislike Obama and his policies, but he has done a whole lot more than you are willing to give him credit for. The nation hardly stagnated in his first term. This country was in an all out crisis when he took office. If you think it is in the same shape as it was four years ago, you have a very short memory.

No, I'm giving him credit. ObamaCare, like it or not, was a huge bill. But all he's done is ObamaCare and a stimulus. Bill-wise, that's basically it.

You don't get 1000 bonus points for banning bath salts.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You've made this point before in this thread...I don't think it's possible for a Republican presidential candidate to win Massachusetts in today's climate, regardless of performance. (As in, it hasn't happened in almost 30 years...) Thus, his losing the state is more a reflection of today's politics than the citizens' approval of his time as governor.

Al Gore lost Tennessee for example, and he still won the popular vote of the entire nation.

And Texans still love Ann Richards, but as a Democrat her chances of winning Texas as a presidential candidate are quite slim...

That's all pretty reasonable.

But, Romney's approval rating was, I believe, 34% when he left office. While Texans still like Ann Richards, those in Massachusetts don't particularly like Romney.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Its hard to say its all political for sure, as the guy did get elected Gov. there. Still presidential politics seems more like a gang fight between the big 2 than state elections for some reason...

no one was saying Jesse Ventura should be POTUS...I do however, believe the experience of Governor is more translatable to domestic management issues faced by the POTUS. Senators understand legislation and the broken *** process,which can be helpfull. Me, I'd rather have a person who can be an executive, and get the aid who knows congress' BS.

As I was a resident of Minnesota at the time, let me assure me that Ventura had no business being Governor either. He was a third party protest vote. Most people I know who voted for him just wanted to make a point. They were appalled that he was elected.

 

[PraetorianND]

I think governors just tend to get more stuff done. They've been to the dance before and can craft majorities from different blocs.

In modern-day, Reagan, Clinton and W. Bush were all governors and, like them or not, accomplished a lot of things during their terms.

By contrast, Ford, H.W. Bush and Obama were all Senators/Congressmen. As we know, they didn't do a whole lot domestically. Under their watches the country just sort of idled.

Get Sarah Palin up in there.

 

[PraetorianND]

No, I'm giving him credit. ObamaCare, like it or not, was a huge bill. But all he's done is ObamaCare and a stimulus. Bill-wise, that's basically it.

You don't get 1000 bonus points for banning bath salts.

Signed Legislation | The White House

 

[pkt77242]

I found these couple of articles interesting on race and the election

AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks | Politics | The Seattle Times

This second article is a little more off the wall


How Racist Are We? Ask Google - NYTimes.com

 

[PraetorianND]

I found these couple of articles interesting on race and the election

AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks | Politics | The Seattle Times

This second article is a little more off the wall


How Racist Are We? Ask Google - NYTimes.com

The N bomb gets Googled that often? Geez....

"A huge proportion of the searches I looked at were for jokes about African-Americans. (I did not include searches that included the word “nigga” because these searches were mostly for rap lyrics.)"

 

[Ndaccountant]

French PM endorses Obama

French PM breaks protocol with Obama endorsement - US ELECTIONS 2012 - FRANCE 24

 

[PraetorianND]

I do. That's actually one of the main reasons I am for Obama. He improved the U.S. perception overseas by 1,000,000 times. Obama gets foreign policy and that is important to me.

 

[BobD]

Happy Halloween to ALL!