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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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    Votes: 130 36.9%

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Here it is, It's been picked up by all the major outlets already. LA Times, NY Times, etc.

Here is the thing, 47% of Americans do not pay income tax. Romney is saying that is Obama's electorate.

The problem? Romney is saying those people do not matter to him. He is effectively saying he does not care about half the US population. Not something you want from a President.

Second, of the 47% that do not pay income taxes, 61% pay payroll taxes. Payroll tax is 15%, that is more than Romney pays in taxes. Also, 22% are retired, elderly.
 

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Everything he said is true. It's not the politic thing to say, but it's true. A huge percentage of the electorate will not vote for someone who wants to reduce the scope of government. I'd argue it's in their long term interest to do so but most of them see more gov. $$$ as the way forward. I wish I got to see this Romney more often.
 

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Everything he said is true. It's not the politic thing to say, but it's true. A huge percentage of the electorate will not vote for someone who wants to reduce the scope of government. I'd argue it's in their long term interest to do so but most of them see more gov. $$$ as the way forward. I wish I got to see this Romney more often.

Really? 47% of the electorate mooch off the government? You think that is true? Perhaps ypu agree with this, which is why it is a non issue to you but this is the same mentality that says the poor and working class are where they are because they do not work hard enough.
 

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Among the Americans who paid no federal income taxes in 2011, 61 percent paid payroll taxes — which means they have jobs and, when you account for both sides of the payroll tax, they paid 15.3 percent of their income in taxes, which is higher than the 13.9 percent that Romney paid. Another 22 percent were elderly. (Emphasis added.)

- Ezra Klein, Wonkblog
 

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I love Ezra Klien, some points made about this video by him.

1. What I like least about Romney's comments is the idea that the working poor don't "take responsibility for their lives

2. The thing about not having that much money is you have to take responsibility for things the rich take for granted.

3. That's the thing about being rich: it buys you services and ease. You get to focus on what you want to focus on.

4. The problem for the poor, often, is they don't have time or energy to focus on the things that make you rich.

5. Romney was able to sell his dad's stock to pay for school. He didn't have to work to support his sisters at age 17.

6. And good for him! That's the dream. But to look at the working poor and say they don't take responsibility? It's backwards.

7. And that matters, as if Romney is president, his understanding of what stands between the poor and prosperity will inform national policy
 

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Everything he said is true. It's not the politic thing to say, but it's true. A huge percentage of the electorate will not vote for someone who wants to reduce the scope of government. I'd argue it's in their long term interest to do so but most of them see more gov. $$$ as the way forward. I wish I got to see this Romney more often.

The idea that Obama's coalition is made up of people who are getting fat off government largess is offensively stupid, and that seems to be the idea that Romney is forwarding in his comments. I have very little doubt that many conservatives believe that.

Pretty much everyone in my social circle is an educated professional making a competitive salary. (Many, including myself, work in corporate finance in one way or another). Obama will do no worse among my social circle than 2:1 over Romney, probably better. (Admittedly, Obama's bread and butter is educated young professionals. But conservatives would have you believe his bread and butter is welfare queens, so its worth pointing out here.)

To me, this isn't about my bank account. I will be fine either way. This is about morality. We live in a capitalist society, which by its nature creates winners and losers. If everyone in this country gave 100% effort, some would still be poor. That is the way the system is set up to work. So it is our responsibility to assist those that haven't benefited from our system and provide them with a safety net.
 

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It sounds like Romney is a class warrior, trying to divide us and not unite us. One thing I will never get over is how the GOP is the first to call the dems out for doing exactly what they themselves are doing.

See every word out of Dick Cheney's mouth.
 

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I find it interesting that those who say this is the end of the Romney campaign are those who had no intention of voting for him anyway. Also, this same thing has been said by conservative pundits for a while...basically a version of Obama is trying to get more people on the dole so that they will be afraid to vote for anyone else lest they hurt their own pocketbook. Also, how is this not just the other side of the coin from Obama's own bitter clingers leaked audio from SF 4 years ago.

If you feel Obama's policies regarding the skyrocketing debt..the explosion of violence in the ME and the hand AQ has had in it along with along with the lies about it being spontaneous or simply attributable to a nearly unheard of movie short on youtube...and his "laser " focus on jobs which he calls a recovery but has brought us to 8.1% unemployment while at the same time getting us to the lowest participation rate in eons which doesn't even include the people taking part time or way lower paying jobs just to try to survive...if these policies are ones you want to continue then by all.means vote for Obama again

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Everything he said is true. It's not the politic thing to say, but it's true. A huge percentage of the electorate will not vote for someone who wants to reduce the scope of government. I'd argue it's in their long term interest to do so but most of them see more gov. $$$ as the way forward. I wish I got to see this Romney more often.

I would argue that a fair amount of poor people vote Republican every single election even though it is against their best interest. So for him to say that the 47% who don't pay income taxes will never vote for him is a big fat lie. The south disproportionately votes Republican and it also receives much more federal dollars back than it pays in. Look at Mississippi, it will vote Republican while being one of the poorest states in the country. Romney's comments are not only stupid but ignorant.
 

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C'mon, we're really going to tie the actions of muslim radicals to domestic politics? It does not matter who the President is, they are going to blow up and set afire as much sh!t as they can, and hope to kill as many Americans as they can in the process. This goes back 40 years, and neither Democrats nor Republicans have made any difference. It has happened under both of their watches.

The rest of the stuff you said, I disagree with obviously. But don't see a need to get back into it again for the 50th time in this thread.
 
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Really, why would anyone not hear what Romney said as, "Hi, I am Mitt Romney," then a gunshot, then "Ouch!" As the sound of a man running for President, shooting his dick off?
 

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I find it interesting that those who say this is the end of the Romney campaign are those who had no intention of voting for him anyway. Also, this same thing has been said by conservative pundits for a while...basically a version of Obama is trying to get more people on the dole so that they will be afraid to vote for anyone else lest they hurt their own pocketbook. Also, how is this not just the other side of the coin from Obama's own bitter clingers leaked audio from SF 4 years ago.

If you feel Obama's policies regarding the skyrocketing debt..the explosion of violence in the ME and the hand AQ has had in it along with along with the lies about it being spontaneous or simply attributable to a nearly unheard of movie short on youtube...and his "laser " focus on jobs which he calls a recovery but has brought us to 8.1% unemployment while at the same time getting us to the lowest participation rate in eons which doesn't even include the people taking part time or way lower paying jobs just to try to survive...if these policies are ones you want to continue then by all.means vote for Obama again

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I for one have to echo what Rhode Irish has said, voting for Obama is not something everyone is doing to protect their pocketbook as you say. It is in fact probably not the most economically savvy choice for many of his supporters. I don't view electing leaders strictly through that prism. It is also a moral issue for me and has a lot to do with my understanding of the principles of capitalism (which Rhode Irish has eloquently elaborated on), my feeling of obligation to my country and to the least of my brothers. I know plenty of people who will be ok regardless of tax rates or healthcare premiums who still choose to vote their conscience, sadly I know more particularly in this very red state who chose to follow the lead of the oligarchs and view every civic decision based on what's in it for me.
 

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I for one have to echo what Rhode Irish has said, voting for Obama is not something everyone is doing to protect their pocketbook as you say. It is in fact probably not the most economically savvy choice for many of his supporters. I don't view electing leaders strictly through that prism. It is also a moral issue for me and has a lot to do with my understanding of the principles of capitalism (which Rhode Irish has eloquently elaborated on), my feeling of obligation to my country and to the least of my brothers. I know plenty of people who will be ok regardless of tax rates or healthcare premiums who still choose to vote their conscience, sadly I know more particularly in this very red state who chose to follow the lead of the oligarchs and view every civic decision based on what's in it for me.

There is a difference between voting with your pocket book versus voting for financial prosperity. Many people i work with and associate with believe we need fiscal stability aand restraint to expand our standard of living in the coming decades. Like it or not, we cannot fall into the trap of large social promises without the growth to pay for. Here we get into the chicken and the egg with what fosters growth more, but hopefully we can agree that we must avoid euro style economics on a much grander scale. It wont work in the long run and the young grads and elderly will feel it the most.
 
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I love Ezra Klien, some points made about this video by him.

1. What I like least about Romney's comments is the idea that the working poor don't "take responsibility for their lives

2. The thing about not having that much money is you have to take responsibility for things the rich take for granted.

3. That's the thing about being rich: it buys you services and ease. You get to focus on what you want to focus on.

4. The problem for the poor, often, is they don't have time or energy to focus on the things that make you rich.

5. Romney was able to sell his dad's stock to pay for school. He didn't have to work to support his sisters at age 17.

6. And good for him! That's the dream. But to look at the working poor and say they don't take responsibility? It's backwards.

7. And that matters, as if Romney is president, his understanding of what stands between the poor and prosperity will inform national policy

hahahahahahah

1. I've met more than my fair share of irresponsible people who mooch off the government (and/or their union). They are everywhere. Anyone who sells their self short and drops out of high school because they didn't have their priorities straight and ends up working a minimum wage job and complains about being stuck there. Romney's policies are not aimed at them. Nor should they be. His policies are focused on healing the real working class poor who need and want jobs and careers. His focus is solely on job growth.

I've worked too long in the hood in public schools viewing girls getting pregnant on purpose because "it's essentially their job" (principals' words, not mine) (and not to mentioned they'd try to get their babies on LD because the check is exponentially bigger).

I've spent too much time growing up around East Toledo and seeing the neighborhood drunks drinking beers at 3pm while we practiced football for the East Side Raiders.

I've seen too few fathers in my time as a coach in the hood; I've also seen too many fathers show up to practice in $200 Jordans when they're living off the taxpayer.

I have too much respect for a "man's right to work as he will, spend what he earns...and the state be his servant not his master." I've worked on too many construction crews to see a complete lack of responsibility from a shocking number of people.

There exists a huge number of the exact opposite of that type of person, but to act like it doesn't exist in huge numbers in this country is pathetic. I watched a car chase through LA on the news last week and was shocked at the number of people cheering the guy on at 1PM. Do you not have jobs??

2. cool baseless attack and assumption

3. Such a joke. There is a real point buried in that sentence, but no instead Ezra decides to make it seem like the rich are living like they're celebrities.

4. "Often" is the key word. I know one good ol' stat though: of all people who 1) graduated high school, 2) have any job, and 3) didn't have kids before marriage.....3% are in poverty. Often people just make huge ****ing mistakes and we have a slew of pricks waiting to make a career being handout politicians.

5. Romney did have a ****** job in college I believe. He also lived in a one-bedroom basement apartment with his wife and daughters during their time at BYU. I believe the rent was $75/mo then.

6. A lot of them don't. ...I assume that was a fundraising speech, and so he's telling them what they want to hear.

7. Good. But I doubt how much of what the "working poor" receive he would have a measurable impact on.
 

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Romney's response

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hahahahahahah

1. I've met more than my fair share of irresponsible people who mooch off the government (and/or their union). They are everywhere. Anyone who sells their self short and drops out of high school because they didn't have their priorities straight and ends up working a minimum wage job and complains about being stuck there. Romney's policies are not aimed at them. Nor should they be. His policies are focused on healing the real working class poor who need and want jobs and careers. His focus is solely on job growth.

I've worked too long in the hood in public schools viewing girls getting pregnant on purpose because "it's essentially their job" (principals' words, not mine) (and not to mentioned they'd try to get their babies on LD because the check is exponentially bigger).

I've spent too much time growing up around East Toledo and seeing the neighborhood drunks drinking beers at 3pm while we practiced football for the East Side Raiders.

I've seen too few fathers in my time as a coach in the hood; I've also seen too many fathers show up to practice in $200 Jordans when they're living off the taxpayer.

I have too much respect for a "man's right to work as he will, spend what he earns...and the state be his servant not his master." I've worked on too many construction crews to see a complete lack of responsibility from a shocking number of people.

There exists a huge number of the exact opposite of that type of person, but to act like it doesn't exist in huge numbers in this country is pathetic. I watched a car chase through LA on the news last week and was shocked at the number of people cheering the guy on at 1PM. Do you not have jobs??

2. cool baseless attack and assumption

3. Such a joke. There is a real point buried in that sentence, but no instead Ezra decides to make it seem like the rich are living like they're celebrities.

4. "Often" is the key word. I know one good ol' stat though: of all people who 1) graduated high school, 2) have any job, and 3) didn't have kids before marriage.....3% are in poverty. Often people just make huge ****ing mistakes and we have a slew of pricks waiting to make a career being handout politicians.

5. Romney did have a ****** job in college I believe. He also lived in a one-bedroom basement apartment with his wife and daughters during their time at BYU. I believe the rent was $75/mo then.

6. A lot of them don't. ...I assume that was a fundraising speech, and so he's telling them what they want to hear.

7. Good. But I doubt how much of what the "working poor" receive he would have a measurable impact on.

Reading through number 1 on your list explains a lot to me about why you dislike Obama so much.
 
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Reading through number 1 on your list explains a lot to me about why you dislike Obama so much.

Uhhh, yeah. The real world can turn a lot of people off of Obama. Obama is, without question, using the politics of envy and misplaced resentment. I think its despicable.

Americans are dumb enough to believe it and Obama will more than likely win on that message. Americans will not only have elected the worst President since the end of the cold war, they'll have reelected the second-worst in George W Bush. We suck as voting base.

My thoughts on society can be summed up right here:

“I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand 'I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it’ … and so they are casting their problems upon society, and who is society? There are individual men and women and there are families, and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then after our neighbour … and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations.” A little further on, she repeated her point, using the exact words, “There is no such thing as society”.

To her opponents, this phrase captured her heartless individualism and her bourgeois smugness. “She was too blunt,” says McSmith, in the last paragraph of his book, “in telling people that in order to maximise economic efficiency, it was necessary to destroy many of the social ties that kept people in interdependency.”

Yet Mrs Thatcher was saying almost exactly the opposite. If she were a 21st-century person, she would have avoided the misunderstanding by using that gesture of wiggling one’s fingers in the air to indicate quotation marks round the word in question. She was attacking the then-current use of “society”, which was often expressed in the phrase: “Society is to blame.”

She cared passionately about social order and social obligations, and was hostile to the egoistic hedonism of the Sixties. In inspecting the use of the word “society”, she was behaving like the scientist which, by education, she was. “What is this substance made of?” she was asking, and she tried to supply the answer. Once people understood that society was made up of them, rather than having some mysterious independent existence, they would have more sense of their obligations, more care for their neighbour.

The Democrats are running away with this idea that Republicans don't care for their neighbors, and it's the biggest misconception in America.
 
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hahahahahahah

1. I've met more than my fair share of irresponsible people who mooch off the government (and/or their union). They are everywhere. Anyone who sells their self short and drops out of high school because they didn't have their priorities straight and ends up working a minimum wage job and complains about being stuck there. Romney's policies are not aimed at them. Nor should they be. His policies are focused on healing the real working class poor who need and want jobs and careers. His focus is solely on job growth.

I've worked too long in the hood in public schools viewing girls getting pregnant on purpose because "it's essentially their job" (principals' words, not mine) (and not to mentioned they'd try to get their babies on LD because the check is exponentially bigger).

I've spent too much time growing up around East Toledo and seeing the neighborhood drunks drinking beers at 3pm while we practiced football for the East Side Raiders.

I've seen too few fathers in my time as a coach in the hood; I've also seen too many fathers show up to practice in $200 Jordans when they're living off the taxpayer.

I have too much respect for a "man's right to work as he will, spend what he earns...and the state be his servant not his master." I've worked on too many construction crews to see a complete lack of responsibility from a shocking number of people.

There exists a huge number of the exact opposite of that type of person, but to act like it doesn't exist in huge numbers in this country is pathetic. I watched a car chase through LA on the news last week and was shocked at the number of people cheering the guy on at 1PM. Do you not have jobs??

2. cool baseless attack and assumption

3. Such a joke. There is a real point buried in that sentence, but no instead Ezra decides to make it seem like the rich are living like they're celebrities.

4. "Often" is the key word. I know one good ol' stat though: of all people who 1) graduated high school, 2) have any job, and 3) didn't have kids before marriage.....3% are in poverty. Often people just make huge ****ing mistakes and we have a slew of pricks waiting to make a career being handout politicians.

5. Romney did have a ****** job in college I believe. He also lived in a one-bedroom basement apartment with his wife and daughters during their time at BYU. I believe the rent was $75/mo then.

6. A lot of them don't. ...I assume that was a fundraising speech, and so he's telling them what they want to hear.

7. Good. But I doubt how much of what the "working poor" receive he would have a measurable impact on.

1) 61% of those those moochers pay more in taxes than Romney.

So my mom who left her country as a teenager, never finished high school and worked 3 jobs to keep a roof over my head and pay the bills was a government moocher? She did not work hard enough to better her situation? What should she have done? Gone to school at night so her kids would be left unsupervised? Quit a job to go to school and risk losing the house or send me to bed hungry? What should she have done? Clearly she put herself in that situation because she didn't pick herself up by her bootstraps right? Or maybe she was willing to sacrifice herself so that me and my sisters could get an education, graduate from college and work a good paying job.

As for your inner city hood schools. Maybe if safe sex was taught in these inner cities, maybe if we provided after school programs, and family planning, and how to use contraception, this may be avoided. You know the opposite of what Republicans want.

2) It's an observation

3) Wealthy people never have to worry about how to come up with an extra $100 dollars to pay the bills each month. They have problems, but those problems are not financial.

4) Yes people often make mistakes. Often poor and uneducated people.

5) I am sure Romney worked a minimum wage job and lived in a ****** apartment, but you know what the difference between is between us. If he failed, he can run home to his parents. He was going to be alright regardless of what happened. If I fail, I don't have Daddy's bank account to fall back on.

6) So because he was telling his fundraisers what they want to hear that makes it OK?

7) You need to STFU
 

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It also puts the government more in debt. The public is going to have to make sacrifices in some of the free services they are receiving now for a while in order for the economy and country to get back on track.

Maybe so, but I lived in Poland for four years and they had nearly 20% unemployment in their country of 40 million people...and yet they were able to pay for improvements on their roads while I was there. They had better public transportation than we do overall, even with the dilapidated conditions of most of their buses and trains, not to mention horrible weather most of the year, as well.

There are ways to do it, if people would actually look for solutions that are beneficial to both sides. Instead, our entire country's government seems to be more concerned about pandering their party and not helping the actual voters, for whom they work for.

I dislike the entire political process, and I am not sure I want to vote in this election, to be honest, because I don't think either man is right for the job.
 

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Uhhh, yeah. The real world can turn a lot of people off of Obama. Obama is, without question, using the politics of envy and misplaced resentment. I think its despicable.

Americans are dumb enough to believe it and Obama will more than likely win on that message. Americans will not only have elected the worst President since the end of the cold war, they'll have reelected the second-worst in George W Bush. We suck as voting base.

My thoughts on society can be summed up right here:



The Democrats are running away with this idea that Republicans don't care for their neighbors, and it's the biggest misconception in America.

The real world? Buster, aren't you a college student? Your posts here belie the fact that you're a pretty smart kid, but that you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. You've created this faux-reality that is uniquely constructed to reinforce every thing you "feel" in your gut about this stuff. I don't know where your anger is coming from, but it comes through vividly in your posts. Then you project that anger onto the other side, thereby further justifying your own delusion.

You're arguing like the smart-*** kid with no self awareness that thinks he knows everything and everyone else is dumb. And every time he raises his hand, all the other kids roll their eyes or sneak out of the back of the lecture hall to go to the bathroom.
 
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1) 61% of those those moochers pay more in taxes than Romney.

So my mom who left her country as a teenager, never finished high school and worked 3 jobs to keep a roof over my head and pay the bills was a government moocher? She did not work hard enough to better her situation? What should she have done? Gone to school at night so her kids would be left unsupervised? Quit a job to go to school and risk losing the house or send me to bed hungry? What should she have done? Clearly she put herself in that situation because she didn't pick herself up by her bootstraps right? Or maybe she was willing to sacrifice herself so that me and my sisters could get an education, graduate from college and work a good paying job.

It sure sounds like she caste her problems on society. Thus, your story is moot.

As for your inner city hood schools. Maybe if safe sex was taught in these inner cities, maybe if we provided after school programs, and family planning, and how to use contraception, this may be avoided. You know the opposite of what Republicans want.

lolol I think you're missing the point--THEY ARE DOING IT INTENTIONALLY. I have seen it with my own damn eyes; and spoken with black, Democratic public school administrators on the matter. I quite literally left my alma mater to take up a job just so I could be a witness to the real world.

I like your idea. "after school programs," "family planning" programs, contraception "programs." More programs to attempt to solve a problem that the government is causing in the first place. How do you not fcking get it?

3) Wealthy people never have to worry about how to come up with an extra $100 dollars to pay the bills each month. They have problems, but those problems are not financial.

5) I am sure Romney worked a minimum wage job and lived in a ****** apartment, but you know what the difference between is between us. If he failed, he can run home to his parents. He was going to be alright regardless of what happened. If I fail, I don't have Daddy's bank account to fall back on.

Do you think Michelle Obama has had to do this? Do you think Joe Biden has been in this situation? Do you think the unions are looking out for this class?

...how many Presidents does this requirement disqualify?

Oh, that's right. Romney doesn't "get it," like they do. How do I know? Because I say so. I say Obama gets it. I say he's the champion of the 99%. GTFOOHWTS.

4) Yes people often make mistakes. Often poor and uneducated people.

Poor because they are uneducated, uneducated because they are poor (and cannot move to better schools). Again, the government not only cannot fix the problem, it creates it with its horrific school system. It is screwing the poor more than any single factor.

So because he was telling his fundraisers what they want to hear that makes it OK?

Well I think what he said was okay to begin with. It certainly wasn't the best wording, but I don't see anything wrong with it as it stands. People could be more responsible for themselves. I find that those who are don't count in the 47% so often these days.

7) You need to STFU

I tip my hat to you sir. A succinct rebuttal.
 

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Yup Buster, your video proved me wrong. We should shut down all public education. They are the reason people are uneducated. The free market will take of education for all society. The free market will take care of everything. Cops, firefighters, education, military, should all be taken care of by the free market. You see schools are paid for by property taxes which is why better schools are in higher income areas. I am sure the free market will make a better system.

My mom chose her fate, thanks for pointing that out. She never once blamed the government but I am glad you came to that conclusion. She just wanted her kids to have opportunities she never had.

You personally witnessed stupid ghetto kids impregnate each other. You were in the room and heard them. Those kids would rather live in poverty on the government dole right. That makes perfect logical sense.

Michelle Obama and Joe Biden are not the point. You want to create this narrative of Mitt Romney the self made man but do not want to accept the golden parachute he had strapped to his chest, or should I say the golden safety net his father provided.

I sure hope you don't take any government money to go to school. That makes you a moocher. I sure hope you don't go to a state school, that goes against the free market that you and your video were championing.

Here is the thing about government programs. They are only a problem when you do not benefit from them. Ask your mom what she things of maternity leave. Government mandated and insured. That bitch should be fired because if she isn't willing to work pregnant, then the market will find someone who will. That is why all the government programs your man Mitt Romney wants to implement are not handouts or welfare, they are good in your opinion.
 

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It's a good thing Romney doesn't care about that 47% of moochers, right Buster? Let's see where they live

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Sure seems most "Obama voters" live in red states.
 
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Buster Bluth

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Yup Buster, your video proved me wrong. We should shut down all public education. They are the reason people are uneducated. The free market will take of education for all society. The free market will take care of everything. Cops, firefighters, education, military, should all be taken care of by the free market. You see schools are paid for by property taxes which is why better schools are in higher income areas. I am sure the free market will make a better system.

Is a bad educational system not going to produce students with inferior educations? Private schools outshine public schools in nearly every instance. This educational system is not about actually educating children. Do you deny that our public school system is a disaster? You'd have to live on the moon to not notice that. The government runs the system, why does the government not incur the blame? We live in an age where public school unions are actually suing to stop voucher programs that gives the "disadvantaged" kids the statistically-proven best chance for success. It's akin to a plantation getting the state to return runaway slaves. Gotta make that cash, homie--keep em in da district.

Secondly, for cops and firefighters....don't be fcking oblivious. Of course the government has a role. That doesn't mean we overpay overweight policeman to jack it for 30 years on their way to too costly pension. But the government has a role, no one is saying they don't and when you do to that argument you look like an idiot every time. You look like you don't have a real response. "Oh so now we're gunna live in a world where there isn't government!!" No. For the record, in the rare comparison of private police authority vs public police authority, the private enterprise demolishes the public ones. That would be airline screeners. The only airport in the country that has a private service has the best safety and performance record in the country.

And the military. Good God. Talk about waste.

Please do not lecture me on how schools are financed. I am knowledgeable on the subject. But you are mistaken if you think those other schools are good schools, or something resembling an efficient system. They aren't. And you're being ignorant to the fact that suburban schools and urban schools are two totally different beats, property values are one of many difference. Still though, when an inner city child is placed in a private school he outperforms his peers (exponentially as the grade increases). We don't allow choice. We don't allow the money to follow the child. We don't allow competition. Regulated competition, the cornerstone of capitalism and the free market, has crushed the price equilibrium of nearly every good and service since its inception. It has continually produced a better product.....but we don't see it in schools. We don't see it (as much) in health care. We don't see it where competition is replaced by programs.

The free market does make a better system. A decent politician can come up with a program that gets the government to tackle a problem, a great politician develops a policy that gets the free market to solve he problem.

My mom chose her fate, thanks for pointing that out. She never once blamed the government but I am glad you came to that conclusion. She just wanted her kids to have opportunities she never had.

Good for her. Honestly.

You personally witnessed stupid ghetto kids impregnate each other. You were in the room and heard them. Those kids would rather live in poverty on the government dole right. That makes perfect logical sense.

I quite literally talked to them. But you present an untrue choice for them. They are choosing a welfare check (a large one) over working at Wendy's, because they were never given a real education. I don't really blame them so much. As much as I clamor away at irresponsibility, it's really just a lack of education. I've known people in these situation who have woken up and desired a real path to success, and I'm calling that responsibility, and I'm calling for more of it in this so-called society.

Michelle Obama and Joe Biden are not the point. You want to create this narrative of Mitt Romney the self made man but do not want to accept the golden parachute he had strapped to his chest, or should I say the golden safety net his father provided.

Mitt Romney is a self-made man as much as the majority of Americans are. He was born with a great set of cards, and he took that and made the most of it. His primary social activity at Harvard was to organize weekend study sessions so people could get straights A's. When you graduate in the top 5% of your class, simultaneously, in both Harvard Law with a JD and Harvard Business with an MBA....I can't not call you a self-made man.

Guys like George Bush spent their time at Yale doing cocaine. He is not a self-made man.

I sure hope you don't take any government money to go to school. That makes you a moocher. I sure hope you don't go to a state school, that goes against the free market that you and your video were championing.

Well you should probably be aware that the US Army pays for my school because my father fought and died for this country and his benefits were transferred to me.

I do go to a state school. Where have you heard me say that states should provide an education? And let's not pretend like I go to an efficient school. I am almost entirely unhappy these days with Ohio State's management of my major. And yet, with universities being primarily public sector endeavor, only 15 of the top 50 American universities are public ones. Hmmm. 70% of the upper echelon universities are private ones. Capitalism has crushed price equilibriums everywhere, and higher education will be no exception. It is already very obviously happening, and it will hit critical mass when the bubble bursts--we can teach the rudimentary classes via computer programs. There has been great progress on this front (in the incentivized private sector) and one day it will overtake the whole thing. People doubted capitalism and technology before, they will doubt this too.

Here is the thing about government programs. They are only a problem when you do not benefit from them. Ask your mom what she things of maternity leave. Government mandated and insured. That bitch should be fired because if she isn't willing to work pregnant, then the market will find someone who will. That is why all the government programs your man Mitt Romney wants to implement are not handouts or welfare, they are good in your opinion.

Well don't try to put me in some imaginary corner in which all government action is inherently evil. That is fcking stupid, and sadly enough too often the comeback you people try to present.

Maternity leave is the best example you can come up with? That's pretty weak. And again, it's not so much the program, as it is the level of government instituting the program. The higher the level, the bigger the bureaucracy, the less efficiency, the more failure.
 
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Buster Bluth

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It's a good thing Romney doesn't care about that 47% of moochers, right Buster? Let's see where they live

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Sure seems most "Obama voters" live in red states.

A classic Statist move: look at statistics from the most broad angle, or one that fits my predetermined belief.

Is it possible that this comes from other factors? Let's see where they live, and who they are. Are they simply "white, christian, classic GOP" voters being hypocrites?!? HAHAHA I BET IT IS!!! ......

Did you know that prisons use the academic scores of 4th grade black males to determine if they should start planning for prison room expansion? Really. It's horrible, but true. What if he said the same about poverty in blacks and where they might reside...surely, it won't pop up in those states, it has to be the hypocritical white christian GOPers....

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Well wait a minute. That doesn't explain Texas.... What about just the overall location of poor people?

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Looks like Native Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and African-Americans too me. How did they vote by county though?

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OMGZZZZZZZ IT MATCHES!!!!! (In the original red states)

*Florida is easily explained: that's American retirement home.
 
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