Politics

[Irish#1]

You mean except for the other 12 still in the metro area? I dunno, and really don't care. I just think it's funny that Bishop saw an opportunity to air his grievances and jumped in with both feet (one named substantive and the other honesty interestingly enough).

If Cack had come on here and posted an article about a Wal Mart closing anywhere in let's say Florida and attributed it entirely to a grab bag of conservative stuff would anyone have mounted their high horse more quickly than Bishop and tut tutted him about using broad brushes for the right and a store closing requires nuance at a much higher level and he's disappointed that Cack would stoop so low and finish with his trademark flourish of this is why nobody takes Cack seriously? Heck we may have even gotten another tale from his youth where conservatives and liberals alike flocked to the local dry goods store and good naturedly discussed the issues of the day (which was obviously an inside joke as his town had no issues).

Oh well, we all get entertained differently I reckon. Portland sucks a fat one, amiright?

But the discussion isn't about the ones in the suburbs. It's really about Portland's policies and attitude towards policing and how it effected the stores in the city. This has to place some burden on the less fortunate that live in the city as they will have to find alternate places to shop that may not be as cheap or find transportation to the suburbs which may take more time out of their day. We've heard a lot of about grocery deserts and this seems to be something that would contribute to that as well.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Sounds like a good place to put all the homeless people and illegals.

Not quite for sure what “beautification” means but I’d wager it would look something like rounding up “undesirables” and “putting them to work”

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

36 yo grandma has 18 year old son who impregnates a girl out of wedlock lies about what is actually taught in Sex Ed classes

 

[jprue24]

Thats not fascism. Its having a stupid opinion.

He's a former President, running again for President, leading in GOP primary polls, and articulating Fascist rhetoric regularly.

You can can choose not to listen to what he says or wants to do, but historically that's usually a bad plan.

 

[NorthDakota]

He's a former President, running again for President, leading in GOP primary polls, and articulating Fascist rhetoric regularly.

You can can choose not to listen to what he says or wants to do, but historically that's usually a bad plan.

I'll repeat, that's not fascism. Its having a stupid opinion. Simply because someone is a former president, running again for president, de facto leading in polls does not make a stupid opinion a fascist one.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not quite for sure what “beautification” means but I’d wager it would look something like rounding up “undesirables” and “putting them to work”

We're gonna build sanctuary city and make Mexico pay for it!

 

[TorontoGold]

We're gonna build sanctuary city and make Mexico pay for it!

"You may find yourself wondering why are there so many pesky homeless? Well, we're going to ship them off somewhere where they can work and be sheltered away from YOU the tax paying citizen!" "No, it's not a work camp. It's a bootstrap zone where citizens will re-learn the hardwork that we all learned when we took over the family business"

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You mean except for the other 12 still in the metro area? I dunno, and really don't care. I just think it's funny that Bishop saw an opportunity to air his grievances and jumped in with both feet (one named substantive and the other honesty interestingly enough).

If Cack had come on here and posted an article about a Wal Mart closing anywhere in let's say Florida and attributed it entirely to a grab bag of conservative stuff would anyone have mounted their high horse more quickly than Bishop and tut tutted him about using broad brushes for the right and a store closing requires nuance at a much higher level and he's disappointed that Cack would stoop so low and finish with his trademark flourish of this is why nobody takes Cack seriously? Heck we may have even gotten another tale from his youth where conservatives and liberals alike flocked to the local dry goods store and good naturedly discussed the issues of the day (which was obviously an inside joke as his town had no issues).

Oh well, we all get entertained differently I reckon. Portland sucks a fat one, amiright?

FTR idont give a flying fuck what bishop thinks about my takes on things. He gets a raging hard on every time I post and its flattering though unwanted. Im not gonna fuck you bish.

 

[Armyirish47]

But the discussion isn't about the ones in the suburbs. It's really about Portland's policies and attitude towards policing and how it effected the stores in the city. This has to place some burden on the less fortunate that live in the city as they will have to find alternate places to shop that may not be as cheap or find transportation to the suburbs which may take more time out of their day. We've heard a lot of about grocery deserts and this seems to be something that would contribute to that as well.

Rocking the suburbs ABSOLUTELY is part of the discussion for Wal Mart. Portland's policing is no doubt part of the discussion for Wal-Mart as well. And any number of other factors that come into play for Wal Mart in Portland AND the other areas they closed up shop in. But all of that requires more than just vomiting out generalizations. Which is what we got. Oh well, politics gonna politic.

I'm an Arkansan, I want a Wal Mart on every corner baby! No grocery deserts just tasty desserts at everyday low prices.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm an Arkansan, I want a Wal Mart on every corner baby! No grocery deserts just tasty desserts at everyday low prices.

Shilling for your employer on a college sports message board!? Cringe!

 

[Sea Turtle]

Seems pretty cut and dry in regards to the what and why wal mart is leaving Portland.

Walmart to shut ALL stores in major US city

Walmart has announced it is permanently closing all of its locations in Portland months after CEO Doug McMillon warned of a historic rise in theft at the city's two superstores.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Walmart closing stores in this large U.S. city on heels of CEO warning about high theft levels

Walmart CEO Doug McMillon had warned that an increase in theft across the country could force the retailer to either raise prices or close stores if the problem continued.

www.cleveland.com

 

[Irish#1]

Rocking the suburbs ABSOLUTELY is part of the discussion for Wal Mart. Portland's policing is no doubt part of the discussion for Wal-Mart as well. And any number of other factors that come into play for Wal Mart in Portland AND the other areas they closed up shop in. But all of that requires more than just vomiting out generalizations. Which is what we got. Oh well, politics gonna politic.

I'm an Arkansan, I want a Wal Mart on every corner baby! No grocery deserts just tasty desserts at everyday low prices.

Let me rephrase.........Excluding suburban stores, what other major city has shutdown all of the Walmarts within their city limits?

That article certainly wasn't a generalization. Portland's liberal policies towards policing are hurting the people that need the stores the most. I don't think even Cack or Toronto can deny that.

 

[Bishop2b5]

FTR idont give a flying fuck what bishop thinks about my takes on things. He gets a raging hard on every time I post and its flattering though unwanted. Im not gonna fuck you bish.

You're trying too hard, Cack. Nobody, least of all me, gets a hardon about what you post. Most of us roll our eyes and laugh at your misinformed, childish nonsense.

 

[Irish#1]

FTR idont give a flying fuck what bishop thinks about my takes on things. He gets a raging hard on every time I post and its flattering though unwanted. Im not gonna fuck you bish.

You're trying too hard, Cack. Nobody, least of all me, gets a hardon about what you post. Most of us roll our eyes and laugh at your misinformed, childish nonsense.

Uh Oh! Lover's spat! lol

 

[TorontoGold]

Let me rephrase.........Excluding suburban stores, what other major city has shutdown all of the Walmarts within their city limits?

That article certainly wasn't a generalization. Portland's liberal policies towards policing are hurting the people that need the stores the most. I don't think even Cack or Toronto can deny that.

I think ascribing political ideas to a large brick and motor store shutting down a location or two is a convenient way for people to put their own spin on it. Large box office locations are moving out of cities all over the place. For reference, Toronto's worst neighborhood has an Audi/Benz dealership in it. They certainly experience theft/vandalism at higher rates than other dealerships but if they were to close it would be over a business decision rather than political motive.

Specifically to Portland - this article is stating that the police budget is back up to higher rates than it was in 2020, so if we're going to say defunding the police is contributing then it would have to be related to the 2021 budget decrease.

Portland records its 93rd homicide in 2022, a new all-time high

Portland breezed past last year’s record 92 homicides and planted a new flag on Nov. 23 when the city recorded its 93rd homicide of the year. The 93 deaths include four people who were shot by Portland police and a man killed by a Clackamas County Sheriff's Office deputy during a pursuit into...

www.opb.org

When I look at the crime data for Portland - there was 5,573 offenses is Jan 2018 and 5,883 in Jan 2023. Which is a 5.5% increase in gross offenses. Based on these population trend, it seems like Portland averages an increase of around 1% in pop growth. So basically it seems like crime rates appear to be increasing at comparable population increases. The data does show a spike in crime in 2021, but did Wal Mart shutdown their stores in 2021? No, they didn't.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/portlandpolicebureau/viz/New_Monthly_Neighborhood/MonthlyOffenseTotals

Portland Metro Area Population (1950-2026) | MacroTrends

Chart and table of population level and growth rate for the Portland metro area from 1950 to 2026.

www.macrotrends.net

So what has significantly changed in the past 5 years in Wal Mart's ecospace? The prominence of online selling and reduction of store space. I think it's easier to explain that Wal Mart is shutting these locations down to accommodate for those shifts.

If you look at their annual report, they have been consistently decreasing their retail square feet metrics. Unfortunately we can't see what their inventory provision stats look like or shrinkage to see what $ of theft is happening.

https://www.corporatereport.com/walmart/2022/ar/Walmart_2022_Annual_Report.pdf

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Uh Oh! Lover's spat! lol

He’s not getting my dick. Now mattter how much he begs.

 

[Armyirish47]

Let me rephrase.........Excluding suburban stores, what other major city has shutdown all of the Walmarts within their city limits?

That article certainly wasn't a generalization. Portland's liberal policies towards policing are hurting the people that need the stores the most. I don't think even Cack or Toronto can deny that.

Again, you can't exclude suburban stores, and again, I don't know and don't care about the other major cities.

That article, and Sea Turtles say the same stuff, from Wal Mart's mouth:

"The decision to close these stores was made after a careful review of their overall performance,' a rep told the station this week.

'We consider many factors,' the spokesperson would then add, pointing to 'current and projected financial performance, location, population, customer needs, and the proximity of other nearby stores' when making the 'difficult' decision."

When the CEO is interviewed he isn't talking about Portland specifically, he's talking about a national issue. So unless anybody on here is saying that Portland's policing policies are also impacting the other states where stores are being closed, including conservative states, then why are we focusing on what happened in one city? Couldn't be political posturing or anything like that riiighhhhhtttt? So I would say yes it is a generalization to continue a narrative. And it can simultaneously be true that liberal policies are indeed hurting the people that need stores the most, which is no different than legislation that backfires from all parties all the time.

That concludes my TED talk. Shop Wal Mart, Arkansas needs you!

 

[jprue24]

I'll repeat, that's not fascism. Its having a stupid opinion. Simply because someone is a former president, running again for president, de facto leading in polls does not make a stupid opinion a fascist one.

Fella, the guy who whipped up his supporters into enough of a frenzy they stormed the Capital building, while election business was happening, says he wants to charge the men and women who investigated that incident with treason. All based on a piece of propaganda from a guy that supports a lot of fascists on his show.

What Trump "truthed" (gross) is fascist talk from a wannabe fascist dictator. Your desire to ignore or explain away this stuff doesn't make it a "bad opinion".

What happened on Jan 6 2020 was the work of fascists. Not everyone that stormed the capital is a fascist, but some of the ones that are fascists (oath keepers/proud boys) have been charged and/or convicted of sedition because of it.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Again, you can't exclude suburban stores, and again, I don't know and don't care about the other major cities.

That article, and Sea Turtles say the same stuff, from Wal Mart's mouth:

"The decision to close these stores was made after a careful review of their overall performance,' a rep told the station this week.

'We consider many factors,' the spokesperson would then add, pointing to 'current and projected financial performance, location, population, customer needs, and the proximity of other nearby stores' when making the 'difficult' decision."

When the CEO is interviewed he isn't talking about Portland specifically, he's talking about a national issue. So unless anybody on here is saying that Portland's policing policies are also impacting the other states where stores are being closed, including conservative states, then why are we focusing on what happened in one city? Couldn't be political posturing or anything like that riiighhhhhtttt? So I would say yes it is a generalization to continue a narrative. And it can simultaneously be true that liberal policies are indeed hurting the people that need stores the most, which is no different than legislation that backfires from all parties all the time.

That concludes my TED talk. Shop Wal Mart, Arkansas needs you!

The last time I saw anyone work this hard to deny an obvious truth...

 

[Irish#1]

Again, you can't exclude suburban stores, and again, I don't know and don't care about the other major cities.

That article, and Sea Turtles say the same stuff, from Wal Mart's mouth:

"The decision to close these stores was made after a careful review of their overall performance,' a rep told the station this week.

'We consider many factors,' the spokesperson would then add, pointing to 'current and projected financial performance, location, population, customer needs, and the proximity of other nearby stores' when making the 'difficult' decision."

When the CEO is interviewed he isn't talking about Portland specifically, he's talking about a national issue. So unless anybody on here is saying that Portland's policing policies are also impacting the other states where stores are being closed, including conservative states, then why are we focusing on what happened in one city? Couldn't be political posturing or anything like that riiighhhhhtttt? So I would say yes it is a generalization to continue a narrative. And it can simultaneously be true that liberal policies are indeed hurting the people that need stores the most, which is no different than legislation that backfires from all parties all the time.

That concludes my TED talk. Shop Wal Mart, Arkansas needs you!

Arkansas needs more than me, but we did stop at the Crater of Diamonds state park on the way back from the 2018 Cotton Bowl playoff game in Dallas against Clemson! lol

 

[NorthDakota]

Fella, the guy who whipped up his supporters into enough of a frenzy they stormed the Capital building, while election business was happening, says he wants to charge the men and women who investigated that incident with treason. All based on a piece of propaganda from a guy that supports a lot of fascists on his show.

What Trump "truthed" (gross) is fascist talk from a wannabe fascist dictator. Your desire to ignore or explain away this stuff doesn't make it a "bad opinion".

What happened on Jan 6 2020 was the work of fascists. Not everyone that stormed the capital is a fascist, but some of the ones that are fascists (oath keepers/proud boys) have been charged and/or convicted of sedition because of it.

You are just crying "fascism" lol. I'm not trying to explain stuff away. He sounds like an idiot. But you kinda do too so I guess birds of a feather...

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Fella, the guy who whipped up his supporters into enough of a frenzy they stormed the Capital building, while election business was happening, says he wants to charge the men and women who investigated that incident with treason. All based on a piece of propaganda from a guy that supports a lot of fascists on his show.

What Trump "truthed" (gross) is fascist talk from a wannabe fascist dictator. Your desire to ignore or explain away this stuff doesn't make it a "bad opinion".

What happened on Jan 6 2020 was the work of fascists. Not everyone that stormed the capital is a fascist, but some of the ones that are fascists (oath keepers/proud boys) have been charged and/or convicted of sedition because of it.

1. Not sure how anyone can call someone else a fascist that isn't in power or in office. When he was in office, our economy was strong (pre Covid), gas was around $2 a gallon, no new wars, and millions of foreigners still risked their lives to come here. Kinda strange for a fascist dictatorship as you paint it...

2. If you want to examine and critique fascist activity, you can refer to @drayer54 examples and mine from pages back in this thread.

3. Reminder that 74 million people voted for Trump in 2020. A few thousand protested the outcome peacefully. A few hundred stormed the capitol and have been charged for those crimes.

4. When Trump won in 2016, there were protests that led to violence and property damage from anti Trump folks yet there was no labeling of fascism or anything close to it. These folks were the brave "resistance." I don't think you were around IE back then, but let me know your level of outrage upon seeing retail stores getting destroyed in DC because Trump was sworn in.

 

[NorthDakota]

1. Not sure how anyone can call someone else a fascist that isn't in power or in office. When he was in office, our economy was strong (pre Covid), gas was around $2 a gallon, no new wars, and millions of foreigners still risked their lives to come here. Kinda strange for a fascist dictatorship as you paint it...

2. If you want to examine and critique fascist activity, you can refer to @drayer54 examples and mine from pages back in this thread.

3. Reminder that 74 million people voted for Trump in 2020. A few thousand protested the outcome peacefully. A few hundred stormed the capitol and have been charged for those crimes.

4. When Trump won in 2016, there were protests that led to violence and property damage from anti Trump folks yet there was no labeling of fascism or anything close to it. These folks were the brave "resistance." I don't think you were around IE back then, but let me know your level of outrage upon seeing retail stores getting destroyed in DC because Trump was sworn in.

The number of voters and state of the economy don't seem particularly relevant here but the rest, of course.

 

[TorontoGold]

1. Not sure how anyone can call someone else a fascist that isn't in power or in office. When he was in office, our economy was strong (pre Covid), gas was around $2 a gallon, no new wars, and millions of foreigners still risked their lives to come here. Kinda strange for a fascist dictatorship as you paint it...

2. If you want to examine and critique fascist activity, you can refer to @drayer54 examples and mine from pages back in this thread.

3. Reminder that 74 million people voted for Trump in 2020. A few thousand protested the outcome peacefully. A few hundred stormed the capitol and have been charged for those crimes.

4. When Trump won in 2016, there were protests that led to violence and property damage from anti Trump folks yet there was no labeling of fascism or anything close to it. These folks were the brave "resistance." I don't think you were around IE back then, but let me know your level of outrage upon seeing retail stores getting destroyed in DC because Trump was sworn in.

Yeah this is a pretty sound list of fascist things that reasonable minds would see as fascist actions. Literally nothing below is an example of fascism. To be honest, any day that Drayer doesn't just outright say the N word or call a black person a monkey is a win.

Hey! Let those kids go to school!- fascist

Hey! You don’t have to wear a mask!- fascist

Hey! You can’t teach kids that white women are responsible for a racist patriarchal system!- fascist

Hey! There’s no list of guns you are allowed to buy and restrictions galore on accessories here- fascist

Hey! We’re not banning or restricting competition to green energy donors here- fasicst!

Hey! You won’t let a 12 year old use a dicksaw and puberty blockers- fascist!

Hey! You cut taxes- fascist

Hey! You let poor kids have the means to go to private schools and escape a failing public school!- fascist

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The Tennessee House Just Passed a Bill Completely Gutting Marriage Equality

The bill could allow county clerks to deny marriage licenses to same-sex, interfaith, or interracial couples in Tennessee.

newrepublic.com

Interfaith and interracial. Bigots.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The Tennessee House Just Passed a Bill Completely Gutting Marriage Equality

The bill could allow county clerks to deny marriage licenses to same-sex, interfaith, or interracial couples in Tennessee.

newrepublic.com

Interfaith and interracial. Bigots.

This can’t be right. Bishop said that the Democrats are the racist ones.

 

[drayer54]

Yeah this is a pretty sound list of fascist things that reasonable minds would see as fascist actions. Literally nothing below is an example of fascism. To be honest, any day that Drayer doesn't just outright say the N word or call a black person a monkey is a win.

Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist fascist. Solid job, as usual.

 

[NorthDakota]

The Tennessee House Just Passed a Bill Completely Gutting Marriage Equality

The bill could allow county clerks to deny marriage licenses to same-sex, interfaith, or interracial couples in Tennessee.

newrepublic.com

Interfaith and interracial. Bigots.

Huh? I don't see anything about Interfaith or interracial. Would hypothetically apply to any and all.

 

[Bishop2b5]

The Tennessee House Just Passed a Bill Completely Gutting Marriage Equality

The bill could allow county clerks to deny marriage licenses to same-sex, interfaith, or interracial couples in Tennessee.

newrepublic.com

Interfaith and interracial. Bigots.

Good grief. This is one of the most dishonest and misleading articles and takes I've seen in a while. The bill does no such thing. It doesn't infringe on anyone's right to marry, let alone stop interfaith or interracial marriages. It simply allows someone to refuse to perform a marriage if it violates that person's religious or personal beliefs. Why do some of you insist on misrepresenting everything? Are your views so wrong that the truth must be avoided at all costs? Never mind. We know that answer.

 

[GoIrish41]

He's a former President, running again for President, leading in GOP primary polls, and articulating Fascist rhetoric regularly.

You can can choose not to listen to what he says or wants to do, but historically that's usually a bad plan.

Let’s not forget the coup he attempted …