Politics and Sports

[Irish YJ]

Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
Uh...there are a lot of really good high school teams from California. Dare I say some of the best in the nation on a regular basis. But yeah liberals, weak sauce...can’t play football. That argument you tried to make made zero sense.

Originally Posted by Irish YJ View Post
Listing by order of composite 247 5 stars from 2013-17

1. TX - 13.8% of 5 star talent (yet only 8.9 of total pop) - RED
2. FL - 13.6% (6.4%) - RED
3. CA - 12% (12.14%) - BLUE
4. GA - 8.5% (3.2%) - RED
5. OH - 4.8% (3.5%) - RED
6. LA - 4.5% (1.4%) - RED
7. AL - 3.6% (1.5%) - RED
8. VA - 3.4% (2.9%) - MIXED
9. NC - 3.1% (3.2%) - RED
10. PA - 2.7% (3.9%) - RED/MIXED

NOTE: NY (6.1% of pop) has a measly 0.4% of the talent. CA underwhelmed from a population standpoint compared to the South's population to talent ratio.

From a quick google on biggest CFB busts... looks like CA takes the championship by my count, with FL in second I think.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2000s#slide20

Exactly. Bama's been kicking everyone's assess with them white, country, Republican kids.

The conversation began about coaching attitude/behavior, parental behavior, the difference between NE and S parents (NE transplants tendency to be copter parents here in the S), blue collar work ethic, and then to progressiveness impacting the sport.

Nobody said talent and athleticism doesn't get born or happen in other states. Bama, while they do get kids from everywhere, has a team make up that's overwhelmingly from the South. And Saban don't play copter parents. Like I said, go to any Alpharetta/Roswell (lot of NE transplants) vs and GA rural/urban team and you'll see copters flying all around. Better yet, go to any lacrosse game in the Alpharetta/Roswell area. Lot's of jokes in GA about NEer transplant parents.

And I wouldn't link color. In terms of progressiveness, African Americans are mostly dems, but I would label them mostly progressives. There is a difference. My mother was a lifelong dem until the last election. She's never been a liberal or progressive.

Can't you then make the argument that football, like many sports, has a correlation between education, demographics, socioeconomic status and the like? There's always been a constant shift in boxing as the demographics of working class have shifted and different ethnicities progress and climb the social ladder. You could probably make the same inference with football shifting from what was once a blue collar region in the North East, towards the South as the socioeconomics shifted and more education was happening.

Lot's of rich kids still play football though. Harvard still plays football. They just don't play the NCAA game. Lacrosse is gaining though.

Ok. What was your criteria for determining a “red” or “blue” State? How about breaking out kids from major metro areas and how those lean pollitically? Of course the bigger producers of talent are going to have more “busts”. Does the concentration of media in those areas contribute to conflating rankings in the first place. How about the source of talent based on voting precinct? Those would probably be most indicative of this theory you are pushing. If you want to make a these broad assertions some real analysis might be in order to back them up. In summary your flawed study is flawed.

As to the back in the day stuff a middle of the road college team from the here and now would destroy the best college team from the 60’s based on athleticism and strength.

Red or blue is what they voted pres, house and senate make up. You can debate the labels I put on individual states, but they are spot on.

If bigger producers of talent have more busts, TX and FL should have more busts than Cali. Let's not act like this board doesn't have running jokes and attitudes about Cali kids.

I just provided data about talent produced including population comparison, vs progressive states. Lot's of variables, but you have provided zero fact based argument. There are certainly tons of factors, but there is a correlation. I'm listening if you'd like to explain the correlation with facts.

 

[Rogue219]

This thread is going to deliver.

 

[GowerND11]

Lot's of rich kids still play football though. Harvard still plays football. They just don't play the NCAA game. Lacrosse is gaining though.

I'll go with what you addressed to me. Yeah of course, though I would say, if there is data available (I'm not sure if there is) there would be strong correlation between certain sports and certain socioeconomic backgrounds. I would even venture a guess that there could be some socioeconomic correlation with certain positions on the field as well. Of course, that could be purely anecdotal thought.

I know some soccer managers feel that strikers from Western Europe and "better" standards are seen as not as hungry or not as high a work ethic, etc.

 

[ACamp1900]

Can we have a separate Pho Soup and Sports thread?

 

[connor_in]

Can we have a separate Pho Soup and Sports thread?

See the chicken and waffles and sports sub-thrread

 

[Irish YJ]

I'll go with what you addressed to me. Yeah of course, though I would say, if there is data available (I'm not sure if there is) there would be strong correlation between certain sports and certain socioeconomic backgrounds. I would even venture a guess that there could be some socioeconomic correlation with certain positions on the field as well. Of course, that could be purely anecdotal thought.

I know some soccer managers feel that strikers from Western Europe and "better" standards are seen as not as hungry or not as high a work ethic, etc.

I think there are a lot of reasons we see kids going to sports like lacrosse, soccer, etc instead of football. Health risk is a big factor for a lot of parents. Lacrosse for sure has economic, region, and racial correlation. Soccer, not so much economic or region as lacrosse, but definitely racial/ethnic correlation it seems.

In terms of position, I think there are likely strong correlations to many factors. For instance, why does Cali seem to have a disproportional number of top 10 QBs every year (no facts, just that's the way it feels). Florida RBs, DL GA, etc.

 

[Irish YJ]

Can we have a separate Pho Soup and Sports thread?

You need a thread "Cooking with Acamp"

 

[GowerND11]

I think there are a lot of reasons we see kids going to sports like lacrosse, soccer, etc instead of football. Health risk is a big factor for a lot of parents. Lacrosse for sure has economic, region, and racial correlation. Soccer, not so much economic or region as lacrosse, but definitely racial/ethnic correlation it seems.

In terms of position, I think there are likely strong correlations to many factors. For instance, why does Cali seem to have a disproportional number of top 10 QBs every year (no facts, just that's the way it feels). Florida RBs, DL GA, etc.

Health factors absolutely play a part for many parents, especially in more affluent areas I'd say. If you look at the "map of lacrosse," you'd see it coming up the east coast into Pennsylvania, and then in south central PA it just diverts to only the eastern sliver of the state, and out west a bit until it enters NY. My area of the Coal Region pretty much is devoid of lacrosse, which makes sense economically.

I wonder how much of what you say in the second paragraph about the QBs in Cali and RBs in Miami do have something to do with the culture of those areas, or the opposite culture of places like the Midwest and Northeast. Even today we see in PA that most teams are slow to move to a more pass friendly system. It's way more widespread than 10 years ago, but not nearly as popular as other states. I think the culture of an area does affect the culture of the sports being played and, by association, the development of certain positions in said sports.

 

[Irish YJ]

Health factors absolutely play a part for many parents, especially in more affluent areas I'd say. If you look at the "map of lacrosse," you'd see it coming up the east coast into Pennsylvania, and then in south central PA it just diverts to only the eastern sliver of the state, and out west a bit until it enters NY. My area of the Coal Region pretty much is devoid of lacrosse, which makes sense economically.

I wonder how much of what you say in the second paragraph about the QBs in Cali and RBs in Miami do have something to do with the culture of those areas, or the opposite culture of places like the Midwest and Northeast. Even today we see in PA that most teams are slow to move to a more pass friendly system. It's way more widespread than 10 years ago, but not nearly as popular as other states. I think the culture of an area does affect the culture of the sports being played and, by association, the development of certain positions in said sports.

Lacrosse in starting to invade GA. Started in the areas where there are a lot of NEer transplants, and is spreading. I think GA even had a top 25 HS team (national) this year. Florida as well. As much as I bag on Alpharetta/Roswell (NEer area), I have a bunch of friends there with kids. The NEer attitude does permeate a lot of things there, and "southern" coaches have had challenges at those schools. Roswell just got a good coach from John's Creek (another good team), named Matt Kemper. Kemper is from Ohio lol..

Culture/region does impact a bunch of elements. MW blue collar HSs typically run a lot, as does the S. WCoast teams pass a lot more. MW and S play better defense typically than W and NE. If you look at the top 25 Ds, not a whole lot from the NE or W... Colleges, not always, but typically follow playing styles of the HSs and region they are surrounded by.

 

[Irish YJ]

Iowa showing how it's supposed to be done.

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[NDWarrior]

F--- Trump for putting the kibosh on the release of this documentary and f--- ESPN for caving in to him. And lastly, f--- Spike Lee for signing a non-disclosure and taking a lump sum payoff payment I'm sure in return for agreeing to kill the project. Let the damn thing be released. WTF
ESPN won't air Spike Lee documentary on Colin Kaepernick due to 'creative differences'

 

[Bishop2b5]

F--- Trump for putting the kibosh on the release of this documentary and f--- ESPN for caving in to him. And lastly, f--- Spike Lee for signing a non-disclosure and taking a lump sum payoff payment I'm sure in return for agreeing to kill the project. Let the damn thing be released. WTF
ESPN won't air Spike Lee documentary on Colin Kaepernick due to 'creative differences'

Bro, this is sort of the definition of TDS. There's not a bit of credible evidence that Trump had anything to do with Lee's documentary getting canceled. He probably wasn't even aware it was being made. Kapernick is old news and a tired story. Pretty sure the POTUS has bigger fish to fry.

 

[NDWarrior]

Bro, this is sort of the definition of TDS. There's not a bit of credible evidence that Trump had anything to do with Lee's documentary getting canceled. He probably wasn't even aware it was being made. Kapernick is old news and a tired story. Pretty sure the POTUS has bigger fish to fry.

Sorry not buying it. Spike Lee is lips sealed because he signed a non-disclosure (which means he also was likely paid off to shut his mouth) because this doc is seen as too political and something Trump wouldn't be happy about. Whether it was a call from Trump or someone on his staff to ESPN to pressure them or whether ESPN killed it once they previewed it thinking Trump was going to be pissed about its release, this was because of Trump and not wanting draw his ire. You can think what you want.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sorry not buying it. Spike Lee is lips sealed because he signed a non-disclosure (which means he also was likely paid off to shut his mouth) because this doc is seen as too political and something Trump wouldn't be happy about. Whether it was a call from Trump or someone on his staff to ESPN to pressure them or whether ESPN killed it once they previewed it thinking Trump was going to be pissed about its release, this was because of Trump and not wanting draw his ire. You can think what you want.

This is TDS talking. You don't have an iota of evidence even suggesting that, let alone proving it. Take the tinfoil hat off and come back to reality. Trump is the boogeyman behind everything you don't like.

 

[NDWarrior]

No, this is NDWarrior talking No, I don't have proof but read between the lines man. NFL is taking a 10% stake in ESPN in return for ESPN taking over the NFL Network, and it will need regulatory approval (sound familiar?). It doesn't matter whether ESPN preemptively killed knowing the ask was going to come, or whether Trump/admin voiced their displeasure, it's because of Trump, you can bet on it!

 

[Irish#1]

He hasn't played in nine years. He lost his credibility when he proclaimed his love for communism.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

F--- Trump for putting the kibosh on the release of this documentary and f--- ESPN for caving in to him. And lastly, f--- Spike Lee for signing a non-disclosure and taking a lump sum payoff payment I'm sure in return for agreeing to kill the project. Let the damn thing be released. WTF
ESPN won't air Spike Lee documentary on Colin Kaepernick due to 'creative differences'

Dude, put away the tinfoil. Nobody gives a shit about Kaepernick. What were you going to learn in a documentary that hasn't been discussed before?

 

[NDWarrior]

Nobody gives a shit about Kaepernick.

Doesn't matter and not the point... The point is I don't like seeing ESPN kowtow to the NFL who would undoubtedly feel the pressure of the Trump admin since Trump was directly critical of Kaep. That's censorship and I'm not a fan.

The same way I would feel if a Democrat admin put the kibosh on a documentary being released about Kid Rock and how he was black ball'd in the music industry due to his conservative politics and dramatic stunts like shooting a Bud Light beer can.

Your call out of Kaep's irrelevancy and trying to pooh pooh because of that is not important to my point, but thank you for your feedback.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Nobody gives a shit about Kaepernick.

Doesn't matter and not the point... The point is I don't like seeing ESPN kowtow to the NFL who would undoubtedly feel the pressure of the Trump admin since Trump was directly critical of Kaep. That's censorship and I'm not a fan.

The same way I would feel if a Democrat admin put the kibosh on a documentary being released about Kid Rock and how he was black ball'd in the music industry due to his conservative politics and dramatic stunts like shooting a Bud Light beer can.

Your call out of Kaep's irrelevancy and trying to pooh pooh because of that is not important to my point, but thank you for your feedback.

So, just to be clear, what's your ranking of blameworthy parties? Is it ESPN, the NFL, or Trump as #1? What about Musk and Thiel?

 

[NDWarrior]

So, just to be clear, what's your ranking of blameworthy parties? Is it ESPN, the NFL, or Trump as #1? What about Musk and Thiel?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you've read my other statements here (good on you man!). No this is strictly ESPN either anticipating in fear or being approached by Trump admin to kill this documentary (and likely told if they didn't, approval of the NFL's 10% stake in ESPN would not be approved by the Trump admin - sound familiar?. Either way it's due to Trump's bullying and censorship.

 

[Irish#1]

So who’s Trump going to have win the Super Bowl?

 

[NDWarrior]

Dumb... You can believe it or not, but corporations now self censor so as to not draw the ire of the Trumpster and his admin.

 

[NDVirginia19]

3 NHL players, 3 MLB players, and 20 WNBA players. Lmfao

 

[ColoradoIrish]

3 NHL players, 3 MLB players, and 20 WNBA players. Lmfao

Are there even 20 fans of the wnba? I miss the old ESPN so much