Police State USA

[Irish#1]

Purely my opinion, but her CYA was BS. The business owners don't want to hear her preach at them about burning cities and starting over, they want their businesses and families protected. Meanwhile, she's pontificating (likely looking forward to the next political stop) and throwing her on PD under the bus.

As I was reading that, my thought was she is doing this to further her political career. She's an opportunist.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Someone (NDaccountant) check my math on this, but I think the protesters/ rioters might have killed more black people in the past week than the police have in 2020.

This is maddening.

 

[irishff1014]

I love the new "defund the police" narrative.

Sure, while you burn and loot, we'll just reduce funding to police forces that have probably already lost funding over the past 10 years... Good lord the level of crazy and stupid is incredible.

We have seen this real clear in this situation and the covid crap.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah. "Fast response social workers " will definetely keep robbery, murder, and sex assault rates down. The robbers, murderers, and rapists just need the tender touch of a social worker and all will be ok

I truly would love to see one of the idiot Mayors like de Blasio try it. Might be enough to send people back to the right side.... While I absolutely want police reform, I also absolutely feel sorry for the overwhelming majority of cops that are doing things the right way and are constantly shit on due to the bad apples.

As I was reading that, my thought was she is doing this to further her political career. She's an opportunist.

She's a total SJW looking only for her next step up the ladder. Her serving as AG is nothing but twilight zone shit. The BPD should strike to send a message to her.

Someone (NDaccountant) check my math on this, but I think the protesters/ rioters might have killed more black people in the past week than the police have in 2020.

This is maddening.

But it's for a good cause, and mostly peaceful

Seriously though, I was watching MSNBC and they were spinning and talking loosely about #s, and someone brought up the death toll last week in Chicago. The host kinda looked at the person and gave him a look like "we don't want to talk about that"

We have seen this real clear in this situation and the covid crap.

Yep. It's still alternate reality type shit to me. Like Acamp, I'm just still in awe that people continue to not just take the blue pill, but completely overdose on it.

 

[Irish YJ]

lmao......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This woman in Grand Rapids, MI trying to break a window for 30 seconds <a href="https://t.co/vcbuFEjobZ">pic.twitter.com/vcbuFEjobZ</a></p>— Reddit Le Batard (@LeBatard_Reddit) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeBatard_Reddit/status/1266930906557710338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish YJ]

The level irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated... <a href="https://t.co/G0cOtgy2V4">pic.twitter.com/G0cOtgy2V4</a></p>— Fr. Dwight Longenecker (@dlongenecker1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlongenecker1/status/1267927542201270272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[yankeehater]

The level irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated... <a href="https://t.co/G0cOtgy2V4">pic.twitter.com/G0cOtgy2V4</a></p>— Fr. Dwight Longenecker (@dlongenecker1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlongenecker1/status/1267927542201270272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I read where this same Bishop recently allowed the Queen of Abortion Nancy Pelosi to speak at some church event too.

 

[Irish YJ]

I read where this same Bishop recently allowed the Queen of Abortion Nancy Pelosi to speak at some church event too.

that's what the poster is referring to via strong sarcasm

 

[TorontoGold]

Why is Esper doing this? Is there really a point for him to do this?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...hreat-to-invoke-the-insurrection-act-of-1807/

 

[Bluto]

Why is Esper doing this? Is there really a point for him to do this?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...hreat-to-invoke-the-insurrection-act-of-1807/

Must not want the job anymore. Lol.

 

[Bluto]

I read where this same Bishop recently allowed the Queen of Abortion Nancy Pelosi to speak at some church event too.

Does that justify Trumps stupid PR stunt?

 

[NDRock]

Does that justify Trumps stupid PR stunt?

Of course. Haven’t you been paying attention? If you criticize one side, their legion of supporters will point out all the times the other side did worse. It helps bring the country together.

 

[TorontoGold]

Must not want the job anymore. Lol.

Is there any way Esper will remain in the admin? This seems like a strong fundamental difference from what Barr/Trump believe.

 

[Bluto]

Of course. Haven’t you been paying attention? If you criticize one side, their legion of supporters will point out all the times the other side did worse. It helps bring the country together.

I hear that.

Anyhow, the old “I’m rubber you’re glue” rhetorical device is an Irish Envy institution. Haha.

 

[Bluto]

Is there any way Esper will remain in the admin? This seems like a strong fundamental difference from what Barr/Trump believe.

I don’t think Trump believes anything other than what he perceives is best for his “brand” on a minute by minute basis. Hence the belligerent and profane PR stunt the other day. So yeah, disagreeing with him is a non starter.

Anyhow, I wonder if any of the “management” wizards on the board think demanding blind loyalty to the “brand” is a good way to manage organizations and or people, let alone govern. Isn’t that pretty much the definition “Political Correctness”?

 

[MJ12666]

Is there any way Esper will remain in the admin? This seems like a strong fundamental difference from what Barr/Trump believe.

Probably yes because his position is really closer to Trump's position then the article you linked to would lead you to believe. His entire statement was:

The United States military is sworn to defend these and all other rights. And we encourage Americans at all times to exercise them peacefully. It is these rights and freedoms that make our country so special. And it is these rights and freedoms that American service members are willing to fight and die for. At times however, United States military is asked in support of governors and law enforcement to help maintain law and order so that other Americans can exercise their rights, free from violence against themselves or their property. That is what thousands of Guardsmen are doing today in cities across America. It is not something we seek to do, but it is our duty. And we do it with the utmost skill and professionalism. I was reminded of that Monday as I visited our National Guardsmen who are on duty Monday night, protecting our most hallowed grounds and monuments. I’m very proud of the men and women of the National Guard who are out on the streets today, performing this important task, and in many ways at the risk of their own welfare.I’ve always believed and continue to believe that the National Guard is best suited for performing domestic support to civil authorities and these situations in support of local law enforcement. I say this not only as Secretary of Defense, but also as a former soldier, and a former member of the National Guard. The option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort, and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act. Last night, a story came out based on a background interview I did earlier in the day, it focused on the events last Monday evening in Lafayette Park, and I found it to be inaccurate in parts.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript...oes-not-support-military-response-to-protests

 

[Irish YJ]

I hear that.

Anyhow, the old “I’m rubber you’re glue” rhetorical device is an Irish Envy institution. Haha.

Honestly, has there ever been a president that didn't use the church(s) for photo ops? Or is it only sincere when Dems do it....

I'm rubber

 

[ab2cmiller]

Honestly, has there ever been a president that didn't use the church(s) for photo ops? Or is it only sincere when Dems do it....

I'm rubber

I believed GWB and Jimmy Carter were sincere, maybe I was wrong.

Everyone else, had very little confidence that church was nothing more than a photo op.

 

[TorontoGold]

Probably yes because his position is really closer to Trump's position then the article you linked to would lead you to believe. His entire statement was:



https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript...oes-not-support-military-response-to-protests

Cool, I listened to the whole thing, but used that article because of it transcribed it.

What exactly is Trump's position? This is a statement he made "If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them" Sounds an awful lot like he wants to use the Insurrection Act. Esper said the situation currently does not call for it.

 

[Irish YJ]

I believed GWB and Jimmy Carter were sincere, maybe I was wrong.

Everyone else, had very little confidence that church was nothing more than a photo op.

I agree on Jimmy. But while he was more sincere, he's still a politician, so pretty sure politics played into it. Jimmy was my all time favorite president in terms of "Great guy that didn't accomplish much". My grandfather loved him.

 

[Irish YJ]

So they are increasing the murder charge from 3rd to 2nd degree. Also, looks like the other officers will be charged soon, but no idea on what charges.

Good stuff.

 

[Legacy]

I would expect the Pentagon to refuse any illegal orders to be involved in acting domestically against protesting Americans the majority of whom are exercising their First Amendment rights against racist acts. Americans don't go into the service to combat other Americans who may be their neighbors. Trump could fire Esper and any deputies who also refused a Presidential order invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act. The heads of the services could resign. Congress will probably introduce a bill to limit a President's power under the over two hundred year law. Trump would veto it.

 

[Irish YJ]

lol
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know what? I’m... I think I’m gonna put Twitter away for a few minutes before I throw this phone across the room. <a href="https://t.co/IfbFv1HvR2">pic.twitter.com/IfbFv1HvR2</a></p>— Ava DuVernay (@ava) <a href="https://twitter.com/ava/status/1267652412052959232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would expect the Pentagon to refuse any illegal orders to be involved in acting domestically against protesting Americans the majority of whom are exercising their First Amendment rights against racist acts. Americans don't go into the service to combat other Americans who may be their neighbors. Trump could fire Esper and any deputies who also refused a Presidential order invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act. The heads of the services could resign. Congress will probably introduce a bill to limit a President's power under the over two hundred year law. Trump would veto it.

 

[yankeehater]

that's what the poster is referring to via strong sarcasm

I see that now. This morning the story with the picture did not come up. I could only read the text of the tweet. Slow Wifi this morning I guess.

 

[MJ12666]

Cool, I listened to the whole thing, but used that article because of it transcribed it.

What exactly is Trump's position? This is a statement he made "If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them" Sounds an awful lot like he wants to use the Insurrection Act. Esper said the situation currently does not call for it.

There is very little difference between "active military" and the National Guard. Esper do not think the current situation call for the use of active military but approves of using National Guard units to control the looting and destruction perpetrated by the protestors. This is what Trump wants the governors to do. Correct?

 

[TorontoGold]

There is very little difference between "active military" and the National Guard. Esper do not think the current situation call for the use of active military but approves of using National Guard units to control the looting and destruction perpetrated by the protestors. This is what Trump wants the governors to do. Correct?

Thanks for clarifying it. I guess what I'm wondering is, what's the point of Esper doing this? A lot of people are reporting that the white house isn't pleased with his remarks, if his stance is in line with the Pres, why do something like this?

 

[yankeehater]

Does that justify Trumps stupid PR stunt?

Where did I mention Trump in my response?

 

[yankeehater]

Of course. Haven’t you been paying attention? If you criticize one side, their legion of supporters will point out all the times the other side did worse. It helps bring the country together.

I am probably older than a lot of posters on this board. Maybe I am being naive, but I feel my generation was more open to debate and willing to listen to what each side had to stay. I thought Carter was a poor President, but I made damn sure to attend when he spoke at my college. I don't see that happening today. Heck, they don't even allow conservatives to speak on most college campuses anymore.

 

[Irish YJ]

There is very little difference between "active military" and the National Guard. Esper do not think the current situation call for the use of active military but approves of using National Guard units to control the looting and destruction perpetrated by the protestors. This is what Trump wants the governors to do. Correct?

The NG is basically the reserve of the Army and AF. NG members typically hold full time jobs elsewhere. The are under dual control though of state and fed unlike active Army and AF.

This is really a big nothing burger. We send are active military to "police" places all of the world.

ATL had a huge NG presence, and it worked extremely well. States should absolutely go that direction. No need for active after the NG was deployed.

 

[MJ12666]

Thanks for clarifying it. I guess what I'm wondering is, what's the point of Esper doing this? A lot of people are reporting that the white house isn't pleased with his remarks, if his stance is in line with the Pres, why do something like this?

1. Previously you stated the following regarding my link a transcript to Esper's press conference: "Cool, I listened to the whole thing, but used that article because of it transcribed it." If you really listened to the "whole thing" you would not need to ask this question as he addressed it in his statement.

2. Since I am not in the White House I must plead ignorance. Have no idea if this is true or not. I guess we will find out. If Trump asks for Esper to resign then "a lot of people" are correct. If not they they are lying.