Patience

[dskoo65]

I think some people thought we would win 10 games this year....as you said above it is going to take some time. Maybe 2012....is when we make out run.

no Navy, Western Michigan, Army, Tulsa string of games on that schedule.....ND better get busy if they are gonna make a run in 2012.


vs. Navy
at Michigan State
Michigan
vs. Miami
Stanford
BYU
at Oklahoma
Pittsburgh
at Boston College
Wake Forest
at USC

 

[NDOM]

no Navy, Western Michigan, Army, Tulsa string of games on that schedule.....ND better get busy if they are gonna make a run in 2012.


vs. Navy LOSS
at Michigan State LOSS
Michigan WIN
vs. Miami LOSS
Stanford LOSS
BYU WIN
at Oklahoma LOSS
Pittsburgh WIN
at Boston College WIN
Wake Forest LOSS
at USC LOSS

4-8 or 5-7

 

[NankerPhelge]

It should'nt take 20 years to build a program. laughing out loud at that statement. Just the same thing after another ND loss......"Wait till next year", "It takes time", "Wait till we get rid of the other coaches players" blah blah blah.

When are you guys gonna wake up? I finally woke up and realized after the last 15 years that this program is going the wrong way. The koolaide is LONG GONE people. What is it going to take? A loss to Army as well? Or ND moving to the Ivy league and still lose games. Its really time to throw in the towel already.

Notre SHAME just lost to a Tulsa team who has lost 20 consecutive games against BCS opponents. LOL YEAH IT SURE DOES TAKE TIME!!!! It's gonna take another 15-20 years too if you're lucky.

Duck, you ought to be a trial lawyer, if you aren't already. I've been an ND fan for 50 years, and an alumnus for 20, and have stuck with them through thick and thin. But your penultimate persuasive abilities have convinced me that Notre Dame, like the University of Chicago many years ago, should just disband its football program and leave it at that.

 

[NDOM]

Duck, you ought to be a trial lawyer, if you aren't already. I've been an ND fan for 50 years, and an alumnus for 20, and have stuck with them through thick and thin. But your penultimate persuasive abilities have convinced me that Notre Dame, like the University of Chicago many years ago, should just disband its football program and leave it at that.

LOL. I cant be a trial lawyer because I'm addicted to QUACK!

 

[DCirishfan]

Notre Dame is not an elite program. It takes TIME to build a program.

God, some of these posts are sickening. The negativity on this board is overwhelming.

Today's game was by no means encouraging, and there were some boneheaded calls by Kelly. I understand that. What I don't understand is the calling for his head. You've got to be kidding me.

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Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

We won't see a full team of Kelly players until 2014. If we're still bad then, fire him. But to call for his head, right now, is pure stupidity.



I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see a KELLY team before I call for his head. This is still very much a Charlie Weis team.

Cue the negative "The sky is falling" responses. I'm the one willing to wait for some results.

Calling negative posts out after getting blown out by navy and losing at HOME against Tulsa is a little bit of a reach man, sorry. I agree I want to see a Kelly team but the one thing I can says is that Kelly has done a poor job getting the most out of what he has had this year, no question. If he is as good as I thought he was this would not happen, but it has and it really really really sux balls. As far as being an elite program we are so far from elite that we can't see it with a telescope. At some point we may have to just accept the fact that we will never be a top 25 type of team again. Hate to say it but we may just be Northwestern for ever. A great academic institution that has a decent season once a decade. Can we come to grips with that? I don't know if we really have a choice.

 

[TerryTate]

Oh my god... find a new freaking team to root for.


I can't believe most of you guys are older than me.

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

Weis and Willingham brought us early success, brief though it was. Everyone was hoping this year might be another sort of miracle year because "Kelly is a winner."

Now everyone is waking up to reality. A reality that could possibly mean a few more years of futility, either until Kelly finds his "RKGs" or a new coach is brought in. So naturally they are emotional about it.

 

[Rack Em]

I'm gonna post this link every time I read about somebody bitching about the program. This is what you all sound like.

YouTube - South Park Rabble Rabble Rabble

 

[blnewcomer]

It's easy for naysayers to point the fingers and make negatory comments. Know what's not easy? Staying positive and sticking up for your team even if it has hit "rock bottom." I will say the Notre Dame Football program has hit an all-time low to this point but that absolutely does not mean it won't get better. I have to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel. The problems affecting the Irish right now are a lot deeper than just the dude wearing a headset calling the shots. A football team is exactly that, A Team. So to put the blame on one single individual is just an easy way to explain the problem. Personally, I look at the entire scope of the situation and I have confidence in my Irish. I will continue to put all my faith and passion for Notre Dame Football in the hands of Brian Kelly, because I still believe he is the man we need. I don't care what anybody has to say about his play calling.

Has Brian Kelly made some questionable calls? Absolutely. But what coach hasn't? If your a football fan, you remember the infamous "4th and 2" play that caused so much buzz around the sports world. I loath Bill Belichick with every fiber in my body but even I can't deny the fact that he is one of the best NFL Coaches in recent history. 3 rings in the last 10 years, 2 NFL Coach of the Year, a .632 winning percentage. In other words, Brian Kelly has had no time to prove what he can do. He has every right to be ****y because his offense produces. I know what everyone is thinking, Produces what? Obviously it has only shown a few bright spots this year, but I'm talking about historically, Brian Kelly has produced high octane, very potent offenses. His 2009 Bearcats team ranked in the top 10 in numerous offensive categories.

All I'm saying is chill out people, he's human. I'm just as frustrated as the next Irish fan but I never, ever lose hope. I never give up on my team. I won't. And as long as Brian Kelly is giving all he has and putting his heart and soul into coaching my team, I won't give up on him either.

 

[DCirishfan]

OK you're not giving up on him we get it.

 

[blnewcomer]

OK you're not giving up on him we get it.

Sweet. Glad I could finally get it across. I don't care if your annoyed by my positive attitude.

 

[NDinL.A.]

OK you're not giving up on him we get it.

That's funny because you've repeated the same negativity over and over and over again to the point where many have had to tell you that we 'get it'. Don't see why you seem to be offended or irritated when someone does the exact same thing you do.

 

[TerryTate]

That's funny because you've repeated the same negativity over and over and over again to the point where many have had to tell you that we get it. Don't see why you seem to be offended or irritated when someone does the exact same thing you do.

Boom.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Seconded.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You see there was this young bull and this old bull, standing, looking over this pasture full of cows and the young bull said . . .

 

[blnewcomer]

Alright guys. I understand I've been pretty adamant about sticking up for Kelly but my god, someone has to. And I'm not frustrated because someone called me out. I sensed a smart*** remark so I gave one in return, that's all. Sorry if I'm trying to be logical.

 

[NDMontana]

Calling negative posts out after getting blown out by navy and losing at HOME against Tulsa is a little bit of a reach man, sorry. I agree I want to see a Kelly team but the one thing I can says is that Kelly has done a poor job getting the most out of what he has had this year, no question. If he is as good as I thought he was this would not happen, but it has and it really really really sux balls. As far as being an elite program we are so far from elite that we can't see it with a telescope. At some point we may have to just accept the fact that we will never be a top 25 type of team again. Hate to say it but we may just be Northwestern for ever. A great academic institution that has a decent season once a decade. Can we come to grips with that? I don't know if we really have a choice.

Spot on. I've come to accept ND as a Northwestern type program. I used to get pissed at players, coaches and the administration when they'd lose games. But after a few tantrums and a lot of bad Saturdays, I've gracefully accepted the way things are at ND.

ND might be a top 25 team again....but it's going to be when the NFL decides to form a minor league. Eventually, I think the NFL will grow weary of college coaches calling out the NFL for agents and other scandals that reach down to the collegiate level. At that point, the NFL will form a minor league type system along the lines of MLB (except with only one level). They'll develop their own players, hell, they'll probably think it will be better because I'm sure there's some talented players out there slipping through the cracks because even the most unscrupulous of schools will not accept them because of character/academics issues. The NFL will snatch up uber-talented players with issues and put them through a sort of "polishing school" if you will, to teach them to how to behave when interacting with the media and fans.

Should that happen--and I think it will--then schools like ND, schools that students actually go to for academic purposes, will flourish. Albeit in a collegiate game that will, from an interest level and television standpoint, bear a closer resemblance to college baseball in that nobody will give a damn or watch any regular season games--a few die hards might watch bowl games.

 

[DCirishfan]

I think that there is too much money for the NFL and the NCAA to allow this to happen personally. But I guess it could happen. I also think that we will be more successful than Northwestern. I also feel that if it looks like ND will lose it's NBC contract standards for athletes will change. ND likes to get paid just like my Church and every other institution. IMHO the one thing keeping us relevant and keeping our recruiting classes decent is the national exposure on NBC, without this we are in utter obscurity.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

It's important to remember that this team has reached the point, along with future recruits, that they've never in their lifetime seen ND be a powerhouse. It's easy for fans over the age 0f 25 to get upet and impatient because we've seen Rocket Ismail fly down the field. We've seen ND in the #1 slot on a Sunday, or upset the #1 team. We've seen Autry Denson, Tony Rice, and Allen Pinkett win us some football. These kids have not. All they know about how awesome Notre Dame is, comes from their parents, or those of us who actually saw it. I think it has something to do with the way they play. Kelly needs some more time.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

5min plan sounded pretty good to me kelly will get it right he would have to kick over half the team off in order to get the mentallity where he wants it 5-7 years it will take if he is not burned at the stake after 2012.

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

I'm started to get really annoyed by people ragging on the current players. You can't put it all on the players. You should support these guys even more than you support Kelly. They are 20 year old college kids. So what if they aren't winning or they aren't your precious 'RKGs'.

Are they graduating from the University of Notre Dame? Yes. These are quality young men we are talking about here. Don't forget that.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

We need guys that grad,good guys, and really good football players most that we have now are 2 out of three, RKG's need to bat a thousand

 

[aubeirish]

There is no doubt that our players are quality people. All you have to do is to compare an interview from one of our player and then compare one from let's say Florida. They are great young men, but they are softies (to quote TT). I'm sorry, but you're not going to win football games with soft players. Toughness is what BK is trying to install, and to be honest this takes more than just a few weeks to develop. Clearly, If you look at this incoming recruiting class there is something that stands out to me. These kids play hard.

I understand that everybody is tired of being patient, but we need to be. Otherwise, we might never win again. Good coaching was the missing ingredient to our success. We have a good one now, let's be patient with him.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

There is no doubt that our players are quality people. All you have to do is to compare an interview from one of our player and then compare one from let's say Florida. They are great young men, but they are softies (to quote TT). I'm sorry, but you're not going to win football games with soft players. Toughness is what BK is trying to install, and to be honest this takes more than just a few weeks to develop. Clearly, If you look at this incoming recruiting class there is something that stands out to me. These kids play hard.

I understand that everybody is tired of being patient, but we need to be. Otherwise, we might never win again. Good coaching was the missing ingredient to our success. We have a good one now, let's be patient with him.

what he said X2

 

[IrishGiant]

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."

"If you are going through hell, keep going"

"Never, never, never give up."


Winston Churchill

 

[fitz_bu47]

It should'nt take 20 years to build a program. laughing out loud at that statement. Just the same thing after another ND loss......"Wait till next year", "It takes time", "Wait till we get rid of the other coaches players" blah blah blah.

When are you guys gonna wake up? I finally woke up and realized after the last 15 years that this program is going the wrong way. The koolaide is LONG GONE people. What is it going to take? A loss to Army as well? Or ND moving to the Ivy league and still lose games. Its really time to throw in the towel already.

Notre SHAME just lost to a Tulsa team who has lost 20 consecutive games against BCS opponents. LOL YEAH IT SURE DOES TAKE TIME!!!! It's gonna take another 15-20 years too if you're lucky.

You can't hold the last 20 years against Kelly (By the way weren't you the one trumpeting how great he is during the search?), the patience is maddening for us b/c we have been through the ****ty years, but this is Kelly's first year, and I can't wait to see what he can do in the next few. Charlie, Ty and Davie's struggles have nothing to do w/ BK, I have faith we have the right guy. Now, in five years if we are still struggling, than who knows where we will go from there, but as of now, we have to be patient. Again, not saying be satisfied w/ bad losses/decisions like against Tulsa, just paitient in letting him build HIS program.

 

[LongRun]

It's important to remember that this team has reached the point, along with future recruits, that they've never in their lifetime seen ND be a powerhouse. It's easy for fans over the age 0f 25 to get upet and impatient because we've seen Rocket Ismail fly down the field. We've seen ND in the #1 slot on a Sunday, or upset the #1 team. We've seen Autry Denson, Tony Rice, and Allen Pinkett win us some football. These kids have not. All they know about how awesome Notre Dame is, comes from their parents, or those of us who actually saw it. I think it has something to do with the way they play. Kelly needs some more time.

ITs been 22 years ! I think ND need to **** or get off the pot. Its like they are making small moves in hopes of a huge change. either decide to win a NC and get with it, or collapse. One way or another one of those two outcomes will occur.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

5min plan sounded pretty good to me kelly will get it right he would have to kick over half the team off in order to get the mentallity where he wants it 5-7 years it will take if he is not burned at the stake after 2012.

I think BK is gonna need a BIG TIME year in 2011 (10 wins, BCS bubble) to keep his job long-term. I'm not saying he would get fired after year 2 with a 7-5 or 8-4 mark, but that 2012 schedule is ridiculous (on paper). He's gonna need to have some goodwill banked up to survive what could be a step back in the win column.

Losing to Tulsa, Navy, and the overrated state of Michigan in year 1, combined with the tragedy last week, has COMPLETELY removed the gloss from this hire. I hope he's got the moxie to get this program back on the right path.

How long before the ESPN folks start comparing his win percentage to Weis, Ty, and Davie?

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

LongRun, it's been 17. They were good in 1993. That was it. I'm saying it's easy for us to sit on the couch and say what ND should be, but these kids do not know, because they've never seen it at home as little kids, and they've never felt it as a team.

 

[irishff1014]

Half the time the problem is with the media if we are 11-0 or 2-11 or 6-6 they always make us the head of college football news. Yes we are not the football team of old. But if we are really that average why is it all still about us. What i am trying to get to is not matter what we will always be a high priority for the media.