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Didn’t Kelly pass on hiring the current OSU online coach and went with Quinn instead? Then ND passed on him again in favor of Heistand?
 
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Knowles played the front seven much the way he did in the second half of the fiesta bowl. Just like that game we struggled to answer. Is that HH? Rees? Player cohesion?
 
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Bluto said:
Didn’t Kelly pass on hiring the current OSU online coach and went with Quinn instead? Then ND passed on him again in favor of Heistand?
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Yes. Dude was at BC when BK went w/ Quinn so he went to UCLA. Then ND went back to Harry & OSU got him from UCLA.
 
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Giddyup said:
Wish I was. HH has struggled for a long time with the run and it was like everyone forgot how much his ol run blocking production sucked before.
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So you were on record as having this opinion when they re-hired him after Freeman was named HC? If you have the receipts for that, then I can respect that take. Otherwise, to call for the firing of any coach after one game is overly dramatic.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Why do you think tOSU's DL was bad? Five 5 stars, and twenty-six 4 stars have been recruited to that defense over the last 4 years. Lots of good Edge rushers and other DL players.
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Did you watch them play Oregon, Minnesota, Nebraska & Michigan last season. They were pedestrian and lacked a true playmaker like the Bosa Bros or Chase Young.
 
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MacIrish75 said:
I believe Frye had/has some type of coordinator/AHC tag that we weren’t able or willing to replicate. Coming to ND would have meant a reduction in title from what I recall.
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Even more disappointing. Haha. Anyhow, the bucknutz oline played the way I thought ND’s oline was going to play.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Did you watch them play Oregon, Minnesota, Nebraska & Michigan last season. They were pedestrian and lacked a true playmaker like the Bosa Bros or Chase Young.
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They may not have an elite pass rusher but that big dude in the middle - Mike Hall? - did a lot of damage.
 
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Yeah 33 Trucking and consistent Joe Moore award finalists...
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In all fairness he was at the helm of the o line during the 2016 disaster. 2013 and 2014 were pretty underwhelming as well. 2012 the offense was not what carried the team. Lots of false starts and the like during that first stint as well (Mcflinchy!) and I seem to recall those units having to be reshuffled during the season on a number of occasions. Then he left a huge hole in oline numbers due to bad recruiting. His recruiting in general also left a lot to be desired in terms of allowing for quality depth. Now after a full offseason working with 4 and 5 star talent his unit gets its ass whipped and is missing simple blitz pickups and can’t handle simple stunts. Personally, I think the jury is still out on Heistand.
 
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I'm absolutely floored that so many people must have thought the Oline was going to dominate last night. Even with Patterson in, I would have still been worried. I feared that the communication could have miscues and that Knowles front 7 was going to take a big step up.

All of that happened. OSU is really really good guys. Their defense is not last year. They played hard as shit and Zeke didn't have Patterson beside him to help.

I wasn't confident about the group entering the game last night. With that said,I'm also convinced the Oline is going to abuse normal teams as they gel. I'm confident in that. Clemson will be the only other front 7 that I worry about, even slightly.
 
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FightingIrishLover7 said:
I'm absolutely floored that so many people must have thought the Oline was going to dominate last night. Even with Patterson in, I would have still been worried. I feared that the communication could have miscues and that Knowles front 7 was going to take a big step up.

All of that happened. OSU is really really good guys. Their defense is not last year. They played hard as shit and Zeke didn't have Patterson beside him to help.

I wasn't confident about the group entering the game last night. With that said,I'm also convinced the Oline is going to abuse normal teams as they gel. I'm confident in that. Clemson will be the only other front 7 that I worry about, even slightly.
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Not dominate but at least create a stalemate. We have dudes on the o line and tight end just like they do on the d line.

And this happens EVERY time we play a stout d line. Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, Georgia.

I know this is an NFL comparison but remember that insane d line the Eagles had in the early nineties? The Cowboys o line would just dominate them. They were meaner, nastier and would just bully them. Erik Williiams would literally dominate Reggie White.

It can be done. Just because someone has a great d line doesn't mean you can't run the ball.

Notre Dame and Nebraska sure didn't have trouble running the ball against elite d lines in the nineties.
 
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Not dominate but at least create a stalemate. We have dudes on the o line and tight end just like they doo on the d line.
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And they loaded the box. That tipped the scale to their favor. And with Patterson out, not enough to stalemate at the moment
 
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Sea Turtle said:
HH may be able to get individual players drafted high, but his units as a whole leave a lot to be desired.
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It's early. His lines were exceptional at pass protection when he was here before. Run blocking was pretty good too, although I thought Long's schemes left something to be desired. We had communication issues last night, those are fixable. Talent wise we may need some interior OL to step up.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Did you watch them play Oregon, Minnesota, Nebraska & Michigan last season. They were pedestrian and lacked a true playmaker like the Bosa Bros or Chase Young.
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This isn't 2021. The Buckeyes have recruited well the last 4 years, loads of talent as I mentioned. They only needed a good coach to right the ship.
 
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benneboy said:
I thought Alt played well. Don't have much positive to say about any of the other olineman. Lugg continues to have at least a couple plays a game where we might as well have 4 lineman out there.
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Then the entire line should be benched for the Marshall game.
 
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Bluto said:
In all fairness he was at the helm of the o line during the 2016 disaster. 2013 and 2014 were pretty underwhelming as well. 2012 the offense was not what carried the team. Lots of false starts and the like during that first stint as well (Mcflinchy!) and I seem to recall those units having to be reshuffled during the season on a number of occasions. Then he left a huge hole in oline numbers due to bad recruiting. His recruiting in general also left a lot to be desired in terms of allowing for quality depth. Now after a full offseason working with 4 and 5 star talent his unit gets its ass whipped and is missing simple blitz pickups and can’t handle simple stunts. Personally, I think the jury is still out on Heistand.
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The 2013 line was not underwhelming.

It was an great unit, until later in the year when injuries hit hard. But it doesn't matter how great your OL is when you're starting Tommy Rees and Cam McDaniel behind them. You can have the Hogs up front but that isn't going to suddenly make your mediocre QB not mediocre.

I do agree that Harry left us in a massive hole that we're still digging out of with the disaster that was the 2018 OL class. However, I think having Freeman running things in regards to recruiting makes it easier to hold Harry accountable for doing his part to land a great OL class. So far, the results have been good. He finished the '22 class very well and have a very stellar '23 OL class already in the fold.
 
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Sea Turtle said:
Massive offensive line. Must be made of cotton candy.

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Massive offensive line is a massive load of horse-dung.

Fisher and Alt are massive.

Kristofic and Correll are small. Both are like sub-300 lbs.

I also have a tough time believing Lugg is actually 315. He looks closer to 300-305, and for a dude that's 6'7, that's skinny.
 
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Massive offensive line is a massive load of horse-dung.

Fisher and Alt are massive.

Kristofic and Correll are small. Both are like sub-300 lbs.

I also have a tough time believing Lugg is actually 315. He looks closer to 300-305, and for a dude that's 6'7, that's skinny.
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They are both well over 300 pounds. This is a massive o line and they got their asses kicked.....like usual against the big boys.

Teams would kill for our o line room. It's an NFL size line.
 
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Sea Turtle said:
They are both well over 300 pounds. This is a massive o line and they got their asses kicked.....like usual against the big boys.

Teams would kill for our o line room. It's an NFL size line.
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They are both absolutely NOT well over 300 pounds.

That is made painfully apparent by just seeing them in action.

I've heard multiple reports, including ISD, essentially calling bullshit on Correll's listed weight of 308. I'd be surprised if he was 298.

Same with Kristofic. He's listed at 300 exactly, so he's probably just under that.
 
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The more I think about what I saw, the less concerned I am. This was basically a worse case for a relatively new interior OL combination. They haven't had game reps together, might not even have had that many full speed practice reps together given how Freeman wanted the last two weeks to not be as physical. And then they went into one of the louder stadiums in the country and played against a defensive scheme known for moving D-Linemen. This was basically the hardest test they were going to face all year and they faced it under the worst possible conditions.
 
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