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I gave Tom a B grade for today. I really appreciated the dedication to running the ball. It paid off with Jones TD run and I’m sure the Oline loves getting after it. However there was no wow factor in the play calling outside the Claypool screen play, and that may have been a Book check anyway. I wouldn’t be upset if Rees is OC but I hope we keep the search National.
 

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Thought Tommy called a solid game. I liked the commitment to the run, a lot of times the plays just needed to be executed better. Solid win against a quality opponent. Let’s not forget he may have just added some wrinkles, we weren’t overhauling the offense in the last month. I did hate the Book called run in the red zone but can’t win them all. We did what I expected today. We have bigger, stronger and faster athletes than ISU.
 

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Tommy called the kind of game plan we needed to beat a tough ISU defense. We needed a running game to attack that front.
 

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Didn’t watch the game (was building a shed with my nephew) but the only highlight I needed to see to understand why ND won was Tony Jones Jr. outrunning the entire ISU defense. He looked like Gale Sayers...lol.
 

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While I agree that there was no "wow" factor in the playcalling, I think that has much more to do with the lack of "wow" talent.

Teams like Ohio State, Clemson and LSU are making wow plays left and right because they are that much more talented at receiver, RB and QB. ND isn't going to make a ton of wow plays with Tony Jones as the #1 back, and Finke as one of your WR's. Not to mention, Book is a good but not great QB.

Playcalling can only do so much when the talent isn't there.

This is why ND must get more out of guys like Austin, Lenzy, Keys, Williams and Tyree. You can't go another season with Tony Jones as your primary back. That's not going to get it done.
 

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Didn’t watch the game (was building a shed with my nephew) but the only highlight I needed to see to understand why ND won was Tony Jones Jr. outrunning the entire ISU defense. He looked like Gale Sayers...lol.

I really do not understand Tony Jones at all.

Sometimes, he has decent burst and straight line speed. Not great, but he certainly isn't slow.

Then other times, it's like he's running with cinderblocks attached to his feet.
 

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I really do not understand Tony Jones at all.

Sometimes, he has decent burst and straight line speed. Not great, but he certainly isn't slow.

Then other times, it's like he's running with cinderblocks attached to his feet.

Yeah no doubt. Do hope he's back next year and gets turned into a part timer by Tyree.
 

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While I agree that there was no "wow" factor in the playcalling, I think that has much more to do with the lack of "wow" talent.

Teams like Ohio State, Clemson and LSU are making wow plays left and right because they are that much more talented at receiver, RB and QB. ND isn't going to make a ton of wow plays with Tony Jones as the #1 back, and Finke as one of your WR's. Not to mention, Book is a good but not great QB.

Playcalling can only do so much when the talent isn't there.

This is why ND must get more out of guys like Austin, Lenzy, Keys, Williams and Tyree. You can't go another season with Tony Jones as your primary back. That's not going to get it done.



That play where Etienne caught the ball in space and split four OSU defenders was absolutely sick, and exactly the speed Tyree should bring to the room next fall. Can’t wait
 

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TBH I thought Tommy called a solid game but there is one barring problem I saw with today. His red zone play calling on plus and minus territory.

I believe it was in the third quarter and we were pinned down deep inside our own ten or fifteen.

Here I'm thinking let's get two first downs and see what happens after that because you have to at the very least flip field position. Instead we go three and out on three very vanilla playing not to lose play calls. We punt and they get the ball on our 45. Fortunately the defense held but against a good team that's a TD.

Another area where I was disappointed was our last red zone chance. We had the ball first and goal on the five. We play action on first down which is ok you still got two downs to score. But second down we run a QB outside zone play and book didn't run the ball well all day in the QB run game. Would've preferred understand center with Jones plowing in but it's still 3rd down from the two. Here he throws it again to claypool and incomplete.... We settle for three.

Say what you want about chip Long but we were efficient AF in the red zone these past two years which was a glaring deficiency in recent years. Experienced play callers know what to do in each of those situations and I saw Tommy's inexperience in both cases yesterday.

Perhaps an off-season at the helm will mature him enough to avoid that happening in the future but I also am interested in testing the waters to see what's out there.

I'll be interested if BK will keep the same approach to finding someone who will shake up the offensive room or if he'll keep Tommy at the helm as his puppet that he can keep a tighter rein on.
 
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Tommy called the kind of game plan we needed to beat a tough ISU defense. We needed a running game to attack that front.

Yes, this. ND had to run the ball against Iowa State’s 3-3-5. I was pleased to see some downhill concepts used there.
 
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So.... Tommy called a good enough game to win. Thanks for the win.

But if that was Long who called that exact game, I'd be very underwhelmed and I bet others would be too, whether they admit it or not. Way too much reliance on quick passes/WR runs, and horizontal running plays.

I certainly didn't see "brilliance", especially with 3 weeks to prepare ans superior talent.

I hope BK very much is targeting other OCs.
 

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Tommy did about as well as one could reasonably expect given the situation. There wasn't enough time to introduce any major changes to the offensive scheme. He was running Chip Long's offense. If he is selected as offensive coordinator, his impact will begin to show up later.

His greatest influence on Ian Book may have occurred after the Michigan game when he convinced Book to put that game in the past and move forward. Book needed to be confident and a leader to successfully finish the season. Tommy understood the pressure on Ian following the Michigan loss.
 
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Tommy did about as well as one could reasonably expect given the situation. There wasn't enough time to introduce any major changes to the offensive scheme. He was running Chip Long's offense. If he is selected as offensive coordinator, his impact will begin to show up later.

His greatest influence on Ian Book may have occurred after the Michigan game when he convinced Book to put that game in the past and move forward. Book needed to be confident and a leader to successfully finish the season. Tommy understood the pressure on Ian following the Michigan loss.

I wasn't hoping for any *new* plays or wrinkles. I was hoping for using the existing plays (which are fine) to be used in a rhythm and way to set up future plays, and I didn't see that. It felt like a bunch of randomly selected individual plays based on the immediate situation, which didn't keep the defense on their heels the whole game.

He did fine, but with no resume, a superior team, and 3 weeks to prepare, he did not make it look easy enough with strategic play calling for me to be satisfied with him getting gifted the job.
 
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I wasn't inspired by the number of sweeps in short yardage situations. When you have ND's line and Tony Jones, run it hard at the defense. Generally, I think in short yardage, just go get it and dominate.

With that said, it might have been that Tommy and team were trying to gauge how to best attack the 3-3-5 and running the sweeps showed ISU defensive tendencies/gameplan....which opened up the middle for Tony Jones big run in the second half.
 

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So.... Tommy called a good enough game to win. Thanks for the win.

But if that was Long who called that exact game, I'd be very underwhelmed and I bet others would be too, whether they admit it or not. Way too much reliance on quick passes/WR runs, and horizontal running plays.

I certainly didn't see "brilliance", especially with 3 weeks to prepare ans superior talent.

I hope BK very much is targeting other OCs.


That came from the Defense - again....
 
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That came from the Defense - again....

Yep, we probably have 1 more year to enjoy the best DC we'll ever have under BK.

If he can't find a way to get us competing for a title in year 10/11 with the best DC he'll ever have, he never will.
 

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Yep, we probably have 1 more year to enjoy the best DC we'll ever have under BK.

If he can't find a way to get us competing for a title in year 10/11 with the best DC he'll ever have, he never will.


Agreed - I believe BK/Irish got lucky Lea wasn't taken up this year. If I was BK, I would be on the lookout now and possibly even having one of the DCs assistants paying close attention.
 

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They need to focus on finding someone who will build on and improve the current system. Starting over would be a huge mistake, because even if you get an excellent coach from outside this current scheme they're going to be a 1-2 year stop gap then move on to an HC role somewhere else. And the risk you run with an outside hire is disrupting recruiting and disrupting team production.

You have three potential hires on this staff that could work in collaboration or independently - Quinn, Rees, Taylor. I don't know of any outside hires that could integrate seamlessly.

And despite what has been leaked/publicly stated, this was effectively the 5th game in Rees' audition. They've all been impressive, but what was most impressive to me here was a glimpse towards a better blocking scheme. I'm optimistic about how the line will perform with their two best players back and a year of play calling that doesn't put them in position to fail. One thing Long did really well was red zone play calling and I think red zone efficiency is one area where we could see a drop off.

Here is how Rees did in his 5 games of significant input/control:
Duke - 38 points, solid. Book = 87.5 QBR
Navy - 52 points, absolute destruction. Book = 98.8 QBR
BC - 40 points, solid. Book = 72.2 QBR
Stanford - 45 points, butt kicking after sluggish start. Book = 80.1 QBR
Iowa State - 33 points, by far their worst beat down of the year and ND called off the dogs in the second half because of MOV. Book = 91.0 QBR

The key take away for me is Book and the passing game excelling despite the OL losing their top 2 linemen. He played so much better over the last third of the season because of how the passing game was coordinated. Basically all of his best QBR games against legitimate opponents came over that span, and he played at the level of a Top 10 QB. That increased production is the single best data point to look to say that Rees can absolutely 100% do half of the job. What we don't know for certain is that he can do the second half, but I think that's where you try to lean on someone like Taylor or Quinn. There is no reason to blow everything up and start over.
 

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Yep, we probably have 1 more year to enjoy the best DC we'll ever have under BK.

If he can't find a way to get us competing for a title in year 10/11 with the best DC he'll ever have, he never will.

Would not ND have the intelligence to lock him down with a big contract, nice buyout and a HC in waiting title?
 

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Would not ND have the intelligence to lock him down with a big contract, nice buyout and a HC in waiting title?


You do know it's Jack Swarbrick right?? He's not going to let someone make more than him at $3m a year except the HC....
 

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Great opportunity for Tommy but I was not a fan of the play calling. Maybe it was the nature of the game, the lackluster opponent, or something else but it just felt boring... How many jet sweeps to the boundary are acceptable? I counted at least 3 in the first half. If BK wants to be this run and pound team then I guess it was a success but that's not how college football is played today. It just felt very uninspiring and consciously conservative... I don't see this kind of offense putting up 30 plus points consistently so that means a lot of pressure will fall on the shoulders of the defense. I say go after the best and get them on campus tomorrow.

We knew they’d try to run to the boundary b/c that’s where ISU looked vulnerable but they obviously watched film, too. Tommy went to the well to often. The 3rd & 1 was the worst decision as that play never had a chance. Plus, he just doesn’t have the RB suited for that play. Damn, they’re slow. I’d take that Breece Hall in a heartbeat. Kid should play on Sundays.
 

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I hope BK continues his search for the next OC and brings in new blood. He brought in new blood for our running backs coach and look how that has turned out.

The question to promoting Rees as the next OC is an easy no. I think there is room for improvement for our QB's and I still think if Book stays then Jurkovec transfers . I heard that Rees' name was mentioned for the OC job at Northwestern and if he got his chance and took it I would've been fine if he left. Before he becomes the OC at ND, be an OC somewhere else.

I would also say no to Quinn-- look how many false starts not only the o-line had, but how many Liam Eichenberg had on his own.

Here is who I would bring in as the new OC: Tony Alford. He's been here before and he's an excellent recruiter. He's always wanted to be a head coach and he's had the same position with OSU since he's left ND.

If BK does hire outside he has a good sell-- everyone on offense is coming back and look at the 2020 and 2021 recruiting classes.

Lax mentions the numbers above with Duke, Navy, BC, Stanford, and Iowa State...those are teams that we should put numbers up against and win. That's an easy sell for Rees to be named OC.
 

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I hope BK continues his search for the next OC and brings in new blood. He brought in new blood for our running backs coach and look how that has turned out.

The question to promoting Rees as the next OC is an easy no. I think there is room for improvement for our QB's and I still think if Book stays then Jurkovec transfers . I heard that Rees' name was mentioned for the OC job at Northwestern and if he got his chance and took it I would've been fine if he left. Before he becomes the OC at ND, be an OC somewhere else.

I would also say no to Quinn-- look how many false starts not only the o-line had, but how many Liam Eichenberg had on his own.

Here is who I would bring in as the new OC: Tony Alford. He's been here before and he's an excellent recruiter. He's always wanted to be a head coach and he's had the same position with OSU since he's left ND.

If BK does hire outside he has a good sell-- everyone on offense is coming back and look at the 2020 and 2021 recruiting classes.

Lax mentions the numbers above with Duke, Navy, BC, Stanford, and Iowa State...those are teams that we should put numbers up against and win. That's an easy sell for Rees to be named OC.

So you want to take a chance on Tony Alford who has no experience calling plays, but not on a guy who just did (and probably has for 5 games)? I love me some Tony Alford, but you also should think about positionally where he would coach as well. I have loved Taylor and I don't think I'm ready to give him up to make room for Alford.
 

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I rewatched the game and our running game actually did very well. If you go and rewatch some of the plays, the offensive line was getting consistent push. The unique aspect of the 3– 3–5 defense is it allows for more people in the box. Most of the tackles are done by the unblocked safeties/defensive backs that were coming in from 5 to 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Otherwise most defensive lineman and linebackers were picked up. Even on that second half 3rd and 1 play where Ian took the ball on a designed run right everyone was blocked but the tackle was made by a deep DB. He could have stretched it further right and possibly gotten that first down because there was room.

I didn't see as much as far as our passing game goes. Some of the issues Ian has had includes locking in on one target and not going through his progressions this year. I couldn't see them based on the TV angles, but Dan Orlovsky kept commentating he was missing Finke wide-open down the field.

Overall let's keep in mind ISU only gives up 133 rushing yards per game and 228 passing yards per game, both of which we surpassed yesterday.

Also, did anybody else notice that on our first offenses that we had a three tight end set in place?
 

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I rewatched the game and our running game actually did very well. If you go and rewatch some of the plays, the offensive line was getting consistent push. The unique aspect of the 3– 3–5 defense is it allows for more people in the box. Most of the tackles are done by the unblocked safeties/defensive backs that were coming in from 5 to 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Otherwise most defensive lineman and linebackers were picked up. Even on that second half 3rd and 1 play where Ian took the ball on a designed run right everyone was blocked but the tackle was made by a deep DB. He could have stretched it further right and possibly gotten that first down because there was room.

I didn't see as much as far as our passing game goes. Some of the issues Ian has had includes locking in on one target and not going through his progressions this year. I couldn't see them based on the TV angles, but Dan Orlovsky kept commentating he was missing Finke wide-open down the field.
Overall let's keep in mind ISU only gives up 133 rushing yards per game and 228 passing yards per game, both of which we surpassed yesterday.

Also, did anybody else notice that on our first offenses that we had a three tight end set in place?


Actually, in Book's defense, the TE's have had to help the OL in scheme blocking on passing plays this year... so really, Book only has had one REAL target he could rely on. Thank God Claypool has go-go-gadget arms and glue for hands... plus a knack for where the white, sideline is.....
 
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I've been saying it all year long... The OL has consistently made running lanes for the RBs im EVERY GAME. I have very little problem with how the OL played all year, minus the false starts.

It's been on the RBs, not OL, that the running game has been inconsistent.

Yesterday was no different - our RBs were just going against a defense that has similar athleticism to them, so they ran well.
 
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