Notre Dame Hires Loren Landow as Director of Football Performance

[RipWheeler]

The only real peptides that are going to add much would be the gh peptide... and even to make that much of a difference would be extremely expensive since it requires several months to notice... some sarms also will add some muscle mass but nothing will add muscle more than a test base... from there anything can be stacked with it in terms of other anabolics such as tren, primo, masteron anavar etc... but I would highly highly doubt any strength trainer is encouraging this directly due to the sheer issues that could come from this...I'm not niave, and use myself.... big big thing is genetics and nutrition... and they are likely genetic freaks and are getting top of the line nutrition

Injury recovery is another area peptides have shown real promise. BPC157 and TB500 for instance.

 

[INLaw]

Am i the only one reading this thinking wtf is a peptide?

 

[JamIrish]

when Bama’s o lineman go to the nfl they are usually just average because all lineman are on the same shit then.

I think that's part of it but I always believed most of BAMA's high draft picks at OL and DB don't live up to the hype in the NFL because they don't get away with holding and grabbing

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

PSA- I had a debate with a certain talking head about ND's linebackers compared to GA/Bama's after he said he wouldn't trade our LB room for anyone's. He went on to try to tell me NDs linebackers (Liufau, Kiser, Bertrand, and Ziegler) were as athletic as theirs. Then he proceeded to say Drew White ran a faster 40 than Nakobe Dean so the narrative that ND doesn't have fast athletic linebackers is "simply not true". When I told him Georgia has LBs running 4.39-4.48 40s at 239-275 lbs and ND has 4.6 guys at best that weigh 225-230, he replied "Drew White is faster than Nakobe Dean".

I think ND needs to get more dudes at DT, LB, and S. The speed on the edge has increased greatly under Freeman but we still need to get bigger up the middle. One of the reasons why I don't understand why people keep saying Kiser is too small to play inside when we've had Bertrand, Drew White, and JOE SCHMIDT all manning the mike for multiple years.

Last thing I'll mention is I think the eyeball test has more to do with the kids Georgia and Bama recruit rather than a superior strength and Conditioning program. They recruit physically imposing guys at every position whether it's their size or speed. For example take Ogboko from Georgia and Sevillano for ND. Both 3 stars but one is 6'4 340 and the other is barely 6'0 315. Ogboko has the size/frame to carry 325 and not look sloppy where Sevillano looks stumpy and probably should weigh closer to 285. That's why guys like Young, Lambert, Jagusah, KVA, move the needle in that regard. Just take Keon Keeley for example: at ND he just looks different, where at BAMA, he's just another guy.

Very good insight.

I like all of the ND guys in the linebacker room, but I'm very curious how much NFL people like them because that matters a hell of a lot more than what I think or what an ND talking head thinks.

 

[PANDFAN]

Injury recovery is another area peptides have shown real promise. BPC157 and TB500 for instance.

Now that, 100%agree... and know 1st hand it is.. it's not currently being detected in tests

 

[Plankton]

PSA- I had a debate with a certain talking head about ND's linebackers compared to GA/Bama's after he said he wouldn't trade our LB room for anyone's. He went on to try to tell me NDs linebackers (Liufau, Kiser, Bertrand, and Ziegler) were as athletic as theirs. Then he proceeded to say Drew White ran a faster 40 than Nakobe Dean so the narrative that ND doesn't have fast athletic linebackers is "simply not true". When I told him Georgia has LBs running 4.39-4.48 40s at 239-275 lbs and ND has 4.6 guys at best that weigh 225-230, he replied "Drew White is faster than Nakobe Dean".

I think ND needs to get more dudes at DT, LB, and S. The speed on the edge has increased greatly under Freeman but we still need to get bigger up the middle. One of the reasons why I don't understand why people keep saying Kiser is too small to play inside when we've had Bertrand, Drew White, and JOE SCHMIDT all manning the mike for multiple years.

Last thing I'll mention is I think the eyeball test has more to do with the kids Georgia and Bama recruit rather than a superior strength and Conditioning program. They recruit physically imposing guys at every position whether it's their size or speed. For example take Ogboko from Georgia and Sevillano for ND. Both 3 stars but one is 6'4 340 and the other is barely 6'0 315. Ogboko has the size/frame to carry 325 and not look sloppy where Sevillano looks stumpy and probably should weigh closer to 285. That's why guys like Young, Lambert, Jagusah, KVA, move the needle in that regard. Just take Keon Keeley for example: at ND he just looks different, where at BAMA, he's just another guy.

I agree 100% with what your are saying. That being said, the talking head may not have been wrong. Nakobe Dean ran like a 4.74 at his pro day, and Drew White ran a 4.67 at his pro day.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Am i the only one reading this thinking wtf is a peptide?

I take that to get regular.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree 100% with what your are saying. That being said, the talking head may not have been wrong. Nakobe Dean ran like a 4.74 at his pro day, and Drew White ran a 4.67 at his pro day.

Yep. What's different is that Dean has that burst. Having straight line speed is less important for pass rushers like Dean, who can shoot off the line and change direction a lot better than somebody like White.

 

[Grahambo]

Am i the only one reading this thinking wtf is a peptide?

Stick to law, Counselor!

The bro’s are bro’ing.

 

[JamIrish]

I agree 100% with what your are saying. That being said, the talking head may not have been wrong. Nakobe Dean ran like a 4.74 at his pro day, and Drew White ran a 4.67 at his pro day.

Drew White did run a better 40 than Dean but my point was as a whole Georgia's LBs are on another level, when you have guys like Smith 4.39, Walker 4.48, Beal 4.48, and Tindall 4.47. He conveniently chose to compare White to Dean to fit his narrative and I was not having it.

 

[NDdomer2]

Football isn't played in neoprene track shorts and stop watches.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Football isn't played in neoprene track shorts and stop watches.

Thank you, and Happy New Year.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

 

[MacIrish75]

Am i the only one reading this thinking wtf is a peptide?

If only Reaper was still here to ‘splain it to you…bc if anyone is probably a peptide expert, it’s Reaper.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don't want to derail this thread too much but I did about 90 mins of research yesterday evening.

Apparently Peptides, not of the common vernacular but in the world of bleeding edge strength training, are a substance some people use to inject to grow, heal, improve some aspect in the weight room. Is this correct? Most likely anyone using these already has a strong history of anabolics, yes?

And if I understand it correctly, these Peptides are very specific MW amino acid chains? Are these considered the new cocktails in the ever-evolving arms race of performance improvement vs. legislative rules/detection? Unless there is a good amount of peer reviewed literature, I worry about guys who are guineapig'ing themselves.

I used to know some guys at various gyms that used test, dbol and the stuff to prevent aromatization of a compound into estrogen.....forgetting the name. That's as much as I know about it so anyone who's more involved, please correct me.

 

[Irish#1]

I just hope we don't dive deep into Peptides only to have the NCAA come out and list it as banned and we have half the team suspended.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Is this the meathead?

🙏

 

[ab2cmiller]

"Strength and Coaching Intern" per his LinkedIn. Was at Ole Miss this past year.

 

[ColinKSU]

Am i the only one reading this thinking wtf is a peptide?

They treat nausea, heartburn, indigestion…

 

[StPaul_Irish]

They treat nausea, heartburn, indigestion…

You forgot: Upset stomach, Diarrheaaaaaahhh

 

[Plankton]

You forgot: Upset stomach, Diarrheaaaaaahhh

 

[sixstar]

Could be worse. We could rehire Ruben Mendoza so he can revive those P90X workouts.

 

[Giddyup]

Could be worse. We could rehire Ruben Mendoza so he can revive those P90X workouts.

This is a joke, yes?

 

[Armyirish47]

This is a joke, yes?

Yeah, you can just buy the dvds.

 

[HouseofPain]

Apparently Peptides, not of the common vernacular but in the world of bleeding edge strength training, are a substance some people use to inject to grow, heal, improve some aspect in the weight room. Is this correct? Most likely anyone using these already has a strong history of anabolics, yes?

Do you really think there isnt a D1 player who isnt using some form of anabolics? If you do, I have some really great ocean front property to sell to you site unseen.

 

[Giddyup]

Yeah, you can just buy the dvds.

It’s sad I wasn’t even sure due to those puff pastry Weis teams.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Do you really think there isnt a D1 player who isnt using some form of anabolics? If you do, I have some really great ocean front property to sell to you site unseen.

Yes, I do believe that. As there are countless men who have enough integrity to state honestly whether they did or did not use them. People can choose to use enhancing products however they see fit, I have no issues with it. I just think they should be honest about it. I get they need to have some secrecy while in the NCAA/pro ranks that have them on the banned list.

And my quoted remark in your response wasn't me taking a position. I was trying to get clarifications from guys who've been in that culture if in fact anyone using peptides would've likely already had some more well-known agents in their arsenal/cycle.

At this point, I assume there's been enough use over time that guys understand how to use anabolics relatively safely. I know almost nothing, outside of a 90 min search yesterday, about the injectable Peptides that were being discussed.

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't want to derail this thread too much but I did about 90 mins of research yesterday evening.

Apparently Peptides, not of the common vernacular but in the world of bleeding edge strength training, are a substance some people use to inject to grow, heal, improve some aspect in the weight room. Is this correct? Most likely anyone using these already has a strong history of anabolics, yes?

And if I understand it correctly, these Peptides are very specific MW amino acid chains? Are these considered the new cocktails in the ever-evolving arms race of performance improvement vs. legislative rules/detection? Unless there is a good amount of peer reviewed literature, I worry about guys who are guineapig'ing themselves.

I used to know some guys at various gyms that used test, dbol and the stuff to prevent aromatization of a compound into estrogen.....forgetting the name. That's as much as I know about it so anyone who's more involved, please correct me.

They are a short chain of an amino acid....there are many different peptides out there that as you stated are used to help you grow, heal, improve sexual function and can also cause cognitive enhancement...the Main issue is legality and purity. There are "clinics" were you can purchase these from much like getting testosterone prescribed and then there is the "grey" area. These are purchased under "research chemicals" and are for research purposes only. They will state not for human consumption. Sure certain companies will post a COA however you have no idea if this was the batch you got or could even be doctured. These can be used through injection, nasal spray and oral. There is not much scientific research. Some of these can cause hpta shutdown and honestly the risk/reward is just not for me. There are no long term studies so yes, guinea pig it is. What your talking about the aromatization is called an aromatase inhibitor. Much of these clomid, nolvadex (bigger names)etc are used but mainly at the end of cycle but can be used in conjunction w/ certain anabolics that aromatises as a far greater amount. With increased test comes increased estrogen and finding that balance is tough. men need estrogen too, some need more than others but if you kill your estrogen you will feel like absolute dog shit so using an AI is very very dependent on the user.

 

[IrishSpartan]

So II has repeatedly stated the Landow's hiring has basically cemented an overhaul of the facilities. I wonder if Savvy Jack is doing this now as a send off.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

They are a short chain of an amino acid....there are many different peptides out there that as you stated are used to help you grow, heal, improve sexual function and can also cause cognitive enhancement...the Main issue is legality and purity. There are "clinics" were you can purchase these from much like getting testosterone prescribed and then there is the "grey" area. These are purchased under "research chemicals" and are for research purposes only. They will state not for human consumption. Sure certain companies will post a COA however you have no idea if this was the batch you got or could even be doctured. These can be used through injection, nasal spray and oral. There is not much scientific research. Some of these can cause hpta shutdown and honestly the risk/reward is just not for me. There are no long term studies so yes, guinea pig it is. What your talking about the aromatization is called an aromatase inhibitor. Much of these clomid, nolvadex (bigger names)etc are used but mainly at the end of cycle but can be used in conjunction w/ certain anabolics that aromatises as a far greater amount. With increased test comes increased estrogen and finding that balance is tough. men need estrogen too, some need more than others but if you kill your estrogen you will feel like absolute dog shit so using an AI is very very dependent on the user.

Thanks PANDFAN, appreciate the response.

You helped cement my understanding of them. It's understandable that some people would want to use them since I assume they can't be tested for yet? Or they haven't made many of the banned substances list? While they are less effective, they are also a black box of potential to people who want to get an edge. Truly a double edged sword.

HPTA shutdown means it'll shutdown natural testosterone production?

Peptides get denatured when consumed orally, I can't fathom how they could be effective with that method. Nasal, no idea how peptides cross the blood-brain barrier? Injection would seem the only viable solution for something like this.

Thanks for the aromatizing info. Clomid was what I was thinking of. Guys were using this at some point of their cycles, that's all I remember. I'm sure a lot has changed since I had these discussions with some gym goers over the years.

Have there been any peer reviewed studies on safe-effective anabolic use? or is it still garage science with lots of anecdotal tracking?