Nebraska Joins Big 10 Thread

[nlroma1o]

I wonder if they would let us keep our NBC contract... I know about the big10 network and all but still.

If ND demands to keep their NBC contract, the B10 might say that NBC has to take on another B10 school or broadcast another b10 game that isnt being played on the B10 network

 

[phork]

Colorado is heading to the PAC10, officially now I guess.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

http://twitter.com/schadjoe

 

[Ben E.]

it all still hinges on nebraska imo.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

it all still hinges on nebraska imo.

Nebraska is going to the Big-10... It's basically official.

And Colorado is in the Pac-10.

The super conference era is beginning.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

And who says College Football doesn't have in June....I am interested to see what happens with the SEC

 

[IrishInFl]

And who says College Football doesn't have in June....I am interested to see what happens with the SEC

I doubt they just sit back and watch. If they wanted to gut the ACC they could. FSU wants to be in the SEC badly.

 

[Ben E.]

I doubt they just sit back and watch. If they wanted to gut the ACC they could. FSU wants to be in the SEC badly.

oklahoma will probably end up there to! got to extend those territories so tv contracts go up in dollar amounts!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The Big XII is in major trouble. What now for my Jayhawks?

 

[Freeman Ara]

I doubt they just sit back and watch. If they wanted to gut the ACC they could. FSU wants to be in the SEC badly.

Why would the SEC add FSU? They would basically be saturating the existing market and splitting the same money (maybe a little more) with more teams, smaller pieces of the pie for all.
It would basically be like the B10 adding Pittsburgh instead of Rutgers, yeah Pitt fits, but the B10 already has a footprint in PA. Where as getting the NY/NJ market would be a huge get. Expansion is all about increasing your foot print,if at all possible, not just adding teams to an existing area.
That's why ND is the big fish in all this. If ND joins the B10 then the BTN is in California, Florida, NY, Texas, etc. It becomes a national network almost overnight.

On a side note. Can someone please tell me why we don't join the Big12? UT and OU really don't want to join the PAC10. We could honestly step in save a conference, improve our recruiting appeal in Texas and probably keep our NBC deal or help negotiate a Big12 network deal to our advantage. IF we are going to join a conference let's do it as much on our terms as possible.

 

[alaskandomer]

What happens if there is a Big-16 and Pac-16?

What if those super conferences only played 2 non-conference games?

It would appear to me that these "super conferences" would make it difficult to schedule a legitimately strong strength of schedule.

If ND joins the Big 10 they will lose tradition.
If ND doesn't join the Big 10 they'll lose their respectability.

That you use "they" when referring to my Alma Mater tells me all I need to know. Any real Domer would use "we."

 

[johnnykillz]

Easy my man. I would certainly say the #1 reason ND has a national fan base has nothing to do with the fact less than 10% are actual alumni...

If I were born to a different world I would have been one myself. But I am Blue and Gold through and through.

Careful on pulling that card. I'm certain he messed up some basic grammar and may still need time to feel a part of ND. Nonetheless, the Big XII is a non-factor in this situation.

Our destiny I hope remains independent when all others fall. This may not end like a fairy-tale, but we can chase it all either way. And should we find ourselves atop the heap with a championship trophy minus conference afilliation, we are all the better.

What kind of financial audits are involved with conferences? Is this a push for socialism? Damn I knew Barrack was hating but damn.

 

[IrishInFl]

Why would the SEC add FSU? They would basically be saturating the existing market and splitting the same money (maybe a little more) with more teams, smaller pieces of the pie for all.
It would basically be like the B10 adding Pittsburgh instead of Rutgers, yeah Pitt fits, but the B10 already has a footprint in PA. Where as getting the NY/NJ market would be a huge get. Expansion is all about increasing your foot print,if at all possible, not just adding teams to an existing area.
That's why ND is the big fish in all this. If ND joins the B10 then the BTN is in California, Florida, NY, Texas, etc. It becomes a national network almost overnight.

On a side note. Can someone please tell me why we don't join the Big12? UT and OU really don't want to join the PAC10. We could honestly step in save a conference, improve our recruiting appeal in Texas and probably keep our NBC deal or help negotiate a Big12 network deal to our advantage. IF we are going to join a conference let's do it as much on our terms as possible.

Apparently you missed what I wrote. Please read it again where it reads that FSU would join if invited. And it is not unlikely. My source, Gene Williams of warchant.com, told me if conferences realign, there may be a offer from the SEC to FSU.

 

[johnnykillz]

FSU would be an easy fit. But that would be a dumb move for any other reason, other than this one.

 

[laservet]

The Big XII is in major trouble. What now for my Jayhawks?

Jayhawks are screwed. These moves are all about academics, football, and television markets. Hoops aren't even a consideration. There is talk that the Mountain West may offer Kansas.

 

[Freeman Ara]

Apparently you missed what I wrote. Please read it again where it reads that FSU would join if invited. And it is not unlikely. My source, Gene Williams of warchant.com, told me if conferences realign, there may be a offer from the SEC to FSU.

I didn't miss it, and yeah FSU would join if offered I have no doubt. Because they upgrade their conference by going from the ACC to the SEC. But does inviting say Miami(FL), FSU, VaTech, and another "regional school" offer enough gains in revenue to divide the pie by 16 instead of 12? If the answer is yes then the SEC will expand, if not then they'll stay at 12. I wasn't doubting your source or what you wrote, just the logic behind it. Guess we will find out.

 

[alaskandomer]

Easy my man. I would certainly say the #1 reason ND has a national fan base has nothing to do with the fact less than 10% are actual alumni...

If I were born to a different world I would have been one myself. But I am Blue and Gold through and through.

Careful on pulling that card. I'm certain he messed up some basic grammar and may still need time to feel a part of ND. Nonetheless, the Big XII is a non-factor in this situation.

Our destiny I hope remains independent when all others fall. This may not end like a fairy-tale, but we can chase it all either way. And should we find ourselves atop the heap with a championship trophy minus conference afilliation, we are all the better.

What kind of financial audits are involved with conferences? Is this a push for socialism? Damn I knew Barrack was hating but damn.

No offense intended to Subway Alumni everywhere. My point was that there are several imposters trolling around, and this poster may well be one of them. i am very suspicious of those who would so cavalierly throw away our traditions.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

No offense intended to Subway Alumni everywhere. My point was that there are several imposters trolling around, and this poster may well be one of them. i am very suspicious of those who would so cavalierly throw away our traditions.

You of course mean the "tradition" of playing $hit football, lousy coaching and half-dead stadiums filled with blue haired, oxygen sucking sacks of crap draining the energy out of everything that is great about the House that Rockne built the past 16....that's right, 16 YEARS!!!!

I'm sick of losing. I'm sick of the atmosphere that is ND game day in the stadium (SIT DOWN!!!! from some piece of crap, self-entitled alumni), I'm sick of playing second fiddle to SC. I'm sick of losing to FREAKING NAVY!

A final note... You haven't been here long enough to tab people anything. This thread is filled with folks who for the most part have been here for quite a while. Those folks have an opinion and even though you may not agree, you can certainly reply respectfully without calling them trolls.

Thanks...

Sub Alum

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You of course mean the "tradition" of playing $hit football, lousy coaching and half-dead stadiums filled with blue haired, oxygen sucking sacks of crap draining the energy out of everything that is great about the House that Rockne built the past 16....that's right, 16 YEARS!!!!

I'm sick of losing. I'm sick of the atmosphere that is ND game day in the stadium (SIT DOWN!!!! from some piece of crap, self-entitled alumni), I'm sick of playing second fiddle to SC. I'm sick of losing to FREAKING NAVY!

A final note... You haven't been here long enough to tab people anything. This thread is filled with folks who for the most part have been here for quite a while. Those folks have an opinion and even though you may not agree, you can certainly reply respectfully without calling them trolls.

Thanks...

Sub Alum

lol. Evidence of why you shouldn't wake the sleeping dog...

Alaskan, I can see your point, but I don't even use "we" when I speak of my high school or university or any college I attended, since I am not there anymore. I have used "we" on this site a few times when I get a bit excited... Otherwise, no biggy and congrats on your alumni status.

The Navy game is the first and only time I nearly got thrown out of a public establishment. I think there were 3 people in the joint. I was drinking water, and went absolutely ballistic at one point. I was severely scolded by the owner.

I guess I haven't followed this conference change thing enough. I just don't see why the Big 12 can't keep it together. I guess anything related to the former SWC has family issues.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

No offense intended to Subway Alumni everywhere. My point was that there are several imposters trolling around, and this poster may well be one of them. i am very suspicious of those who would so cavalierly throw away our traditions.

You have got to be kidding me, are you seriously going to call me a troll because I used the word "they"...

I used "they" to represent those who are directly involved in the deliberations of Notre Dame joining the Big-10.

Unless you are a part of Notre Dame's athletic board, you are not a "we".... You are not going to influence Jack Swarbrick in anyway.

I'm not an alumni, but I'm a die hard fan that rather DIE than see Notre Dame fall out the national spot light, because they decided they don't need to join a conference, causing them to not a respectable schedule....

You may very well be an Alumni, and I congratulate you on that... But this is not the Notre Dame of old...

Lou Holtz has been gone for 14 years.

Knute Rockne passed away 79 years ago.

It's time for an all new Era in Notre Dame, and I'm not talking about the "Brian Kelly Era"...

I'm talking about the "Notre Dame Big-10 Era".... An era where we may very well lose rivalries including USC and even Navy... BUT in this ERA new rivalries may form. Schools like Ohio St can be Notre Dames new "USC".

It's time to change.

Notre Dame football has had a great history...

Now its time for Notre Dame to have a great future!

 

[military_irish]

this is not to rile anyone up but can some one i guess explain to me what are the pros to entering a conference?

the way i see it ND does NOT need a conference to help with recruiting, they are very well capable just see recent classes,

ND does Not need them for TV purposes, they have the NBC contract already

i've never heard of a conference helping to win games, whats the difference between playing tulsa, western michigan, and utah(these teams change on a regular basis too) compared to northwestern, illinois,and indiana?

and i don't see what the purpose is to a conference championship, i mean i do but it shouldn't be a swaying point to join or not to join. the only important championship is the national one.
most college fans can not name all the past 10yr conference champions but most could name the last 10 national champs.

thats just how i feel, but if i am just looking at it to broad please let me know, because in all honesty i really would like to get a better understanding of this whole to join or not to join discussion

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Let's say there is a PAC-16 and a Big-16...

These teams would likely only have 2 non-conference games.
Those two games will be scheduled against easy opponents (ala Appalachian St. and Toledo).

Big name schools like Michigan, USC, Ohio State, and Penn State would never schedule one of the non-conference games against ANOTHER tough opponent like NOTRE DAME.

Thus for with a Big-16 and Pac-16 one can speculate Notre Dame would no longer play against... USC, Michigan, Michigan St, Stanford, and so on...

Notre Dame would have a hell of time trying to schedule a respectable schedule.

 

[alaskandomer]

this is not to rile anyone up but can some one i guess explain to me what are the pros to entering a conference?

the way i see it ND does NOT need a conference to help with recruiting, they are very well capable just see recent classes,

ND does Not need them for TV purposes, they have the NBC contract already

i've never heard of a conference helping to win games, whats the difference between playing tulsa, western michigan, and utah(these teams change on a regular basis too) compared to northwestern, illinois,and indiana?

and i don't see what the purpose is to a conference championship, i mean i do but it shouldn't be a swaying point to join or not to join. the only important championship is the national one.
most college fans can not name all the past 10yr conference champions but most could name the last 10 national champs.

thats just how i feel, but if i am just looking at it to broad please let me know, because in all honesty i really would like to get a better understanding of this whole to join or not to join discussion

Well said! What we need is to start winning again. Conference membership has absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Well said! What we need is to start winning again. Conference membership has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Conference membership has everything to do with success...

In these "super conferences" it would be a guarantee that Notre Dame will play legit programs with high football credentials...

If Notre Dame stays independent even fewer teams would want to waste their non-conferences games playing another tough team..

So then, Notre Dame will have a "Boise State schedule"... A schedule that no one takes serious and can't accurately determain if a school is a legit powerhouse or if they are a mediocre team beating up on vastly inferior teams....

Alaskandomer, you need to open your eyes and see that Notre Dame must be involved in a super conference.

Otherwise Notre Dame will be nothing more than another "Boise State team".

 

[military_irish]

Let's say there is a PAC-16 and a Big-16...

These teams would likely only have 2 non-conference games.
Those two games will be scheduled against easy opponents (ala Appalachian St. and Toledo).

Big name schools like Michigan, USC, Ohio State, and Penn State would never schedule one of the non-conference games against ANOTHER tough opponent like NOTRE DAME.

Thus for with a Big-16 and Pac-16 one can speculate Notre Dame would no longer play against... USC, Michigan, Michigan St, Stanford, and so on...

Notre Dame would have a hell of time trying to schedule a respectable schedule.

personally the way i see it is the SEC today is suppose to be the "big bad wolf" and most of those schools schedule cupcakes but then again some go out and play big schools like georgia played okie st, alabama played VT, LSU played VT the yr before i believe, so just because there in a tougher conference doesn't mean they won't play out of conference, out of the 32 teams in those conferences ND just has to play maybe 2-3 to have a pretty reasonable schedule.

thats how i see it, maybe i look at it the wrong way but it's just what makes sense to me

 

[alaskandomer]

You have got to be kidding me, are you seriously going to call me a troll because I used the word "they"...

I used "they" to represent those who are directly involved in the deliberations of Notre Dame joining the Big-10.

Unless you are a part of Notre Dame's athletic board, you are not a "we".... You are not going to influence Jack Swarbrick in anyway.

I'm not an alumni, but I'm a die hard fan that rather DIE than see Notre Dame fall out the national spot light, because they decided they don't need to join a conference, causing them to not a respectable schedule....

You may very well be an Alumni, and I congratulate you on that... But this is not the Notre Dame of old...

Lou Holtz has been gone for 14 years.

Knute Rockne passed away 79 years ago.

It's time for an all new Era in Notre Dame, and I'm not talking about the "Brian Kelly Era"...

I'm talking about the "Notre Dame Big-10 Era".... An era where we may very well lose rivalries including USC and even Navy... BUT in this ERA new rivalries may form. Schools like Ohio St can be Notre Dames new "USC".

It's time to change.

Notre Dame football has had a great history...

Now its time for Notre Dame to have a great future!

I, too, am sick of losing to SC, and was there for the back-to-back losses to Navy and Air Force. those were really hard to take. Conference membership won't fix that. Only our coaches and players can do that, and they can do it with or without a conference affiliation.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I, too, am sick of losing to SC, and was there for the back-to-back losses to Navy and Air Force. those were really hard to take. Conference membership won't fix that. Only our coaches and players can do that, and they can do it with or without a conference affiliation.

But why can't Notre Dame join a conference and improve themselves back to the elite status?

No one (ESPN haters) will ever take Notre Dame serious unless they are a member of a "super conference".

Even this years schedule is non-legit according to ESPN "experts", because Notre Dame doesn't face consistent big name teams like they would if they were in a conference like the SEC...

Alaskandomer,

I can tell you want Notre Dame to be elite again, and your right they need to win games first. But winning games against Tulsa, Navy, Air Force, Utah and Army will not EVER give Notre Dame the "Elite" status you want.

Notre Dame needs to beat up teams like OSU, Mich, Mich St, Penn State, Iowa, Nebraska, and Texas (If they join the Big-10 like some are speculating).

Notre Dame must join a conference.

 

[johnnykillz]

Wow. Yin and Yang. Black and White. Matter and Anti-Matter.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

But why can't Notre Dame join a conference and improve themselves back to the elite status?

No one (ESPN haters) will ever take Notre Dame serious unless they are a member of a "super conference".

Even this years schedule is non-legit according to ESPN "experts", because Notre Dame doesn't face consistent big name teams like they would if they were in a conference like the SEC...

Alaskandomer,

I can tell you want Notre Dame to be elite again, and your right they need to win games first. But winning games against Tulsa, Navy, Air Force, Utah and Army will not EVER give Notre Dame the "Elite" status you want.

Notre Dame needs to beat up teams like OSU, Mich, Mich St, Penn State, Iowa, Nebraska, and Texas (If they join the Big-10 like some are speculating).

Notre Dame must join a conference.

And scheduling powerhouses every weekend will only get your athletes damaged. Seems like you are the one stuck on history by claiming the old names are the powers. Boise St. beat OK. Appalachian beat Michigan. Utah went undefeated. Miami fell by the wayside. Things have changed.

(Just for a chuckle...): O, be some other name! What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet

ND just needs to win. Whoever it is.

 

[TerryTate]

But why can't Notre Dame join a conference and improve themselves back to the elite status?

No one (ESPN haters) will ever take Notre Dame serious unless they are a member of a "super conference".

Even this years schedule is non-legit according to ESPN "experts", because Notre Dame doesn't face consistent big name teams like they would if they were in a conference like the SEC...

Uh what? Were we not in the BCS a few years back? ND = national viewership. National viewership = better sponsors. Better sponsors = more money. The almighty dollar sign gentlemen. Atlas Shrugged is my bible.