ND- OSU post game thread

[Te'o4Heisman]

And it has been. So now what? He can’t make that mistake ever again and he needs to address the error internally for himself and his staff. The only way to constructively see that he has is by moving forward in how they play Duke, then Louisville, etc. until season’s end. Otherwise, what? Keep kicking it over and over again until what?

You new around here? 😂

 

[NDohio]

I’m just glad we don’t come out of timeouts/quarter changes and have delay of game penalties or have to take extra timeouts anymore…

 

[PutuporShutup]

I’m just glad we don’t come out of timeouts/quarter changes and have delay of game penalties or have to take extra timeouts anymore…

Now we just come out of timeouts clueless

 

[irish2104]

I agree that the 3rd and 19 needs to be discussed (as does ND’s poor offensive drive / failure to kill the clock), but send pressure like you’ve been doing instead of rushing three. It never works and, respectfully, ND doesn’t have anyone on the d - line to get pressure with just three guys.

So, instead, you drop 7 or 8 (again, unfortunately, with the incompetency of this staff, you’d need to go back at the tape to verify that they even had 11 guys) to play a weak zone and they convert like it was no big deal.

Send someone (Marist, Kiser, touchdown Jesus from the library — I don’t care) to get to the QB or generate some pressure and force an errant throw.

I’d rather not even rush at all then rush 3 like play 12 DBs instead of rushing 3… just unreal and horrible decision

 

[FWIrish4]

Because we have a bargain discount coaching staff. Honestly.

So is Ohio St’s overpaid or what? Because they won with 1 second left by a few inches with more talent on their roster. You would think they would blow out a “discount coaching staff.”

 

[Terry Jillery]

On the plus side, this is the last year we have to seriously worry about losing a single in season game, right? I imagine a 1 loss ND gets into a 12 team playoff no question.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'll spell this out for you since you're still having problems and you've acknowledged being a mental midget.

The play isn't blown dead for offsides alone. It would need to be an unabated to the QB or an encroachment, otherwise OSU gets a free play with 10 men in position and the 11th man nowhere near the line, let alone the spot where the ball was run. So nothing in this scenario changes the outcome of the play that resulted in the TD. However, even if in some alternate reality the play gets stopped, it doesn't matter because now OSU gets another shot from the 1/2 yard line.

I appreciate you reciting the rule book for us but here’s Freeman.

”Yeah, you could have. You could have. But to me it was, like, Hey, don't give them another
opportunity to get settled and to try to make a different call, right? Hey, guys, like, stay off the field. Let's not give them a freebie from the half-yard line and let's try to stop them.

“I thought maybe they would do the same thing they did the snap before and then they ended up running the ball. So I got to watch the play and see where the ball hit. But, yeah, that's why that I made that decision.”

The reality is, they should’ve never been in that position. They had a tremendous amount of time to figure it out. They got into that position and he choked. As Christian McCollum said post game, you do everything in your power to stop that play as soon as you realize it.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Put up is a moron no coach is going to throw a player or coach under the bus for that mistake. How many of you noticed 10 on the field before it was slowed down? That was on al Washington, the player and the guys out there either watts or Bertrand who count to make sure you have 11 but we'll never know which we shouldn't because you'll completely lose the locker room. Put up obviously never played football

 

[Tejas]

I’d rather not even rush at all then rush 3 like play 12 DBs instead of rushing 3… just unreal and horrible decision

When i think about it, I agree with you. Rushing 3 does nothing. I'd rather have the extra 3 LB/DB when you only have 20 yards plus the endzone to cover. 11 v 5 wr. I can't remember ever seeing it done that way though.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree that the 3rd and 19 needs to be discussed (as does ND’s poor offensive drive / failure to kill the clock), but send pressure like you’ve been doing instead of rushing three. It never works and, respectfully, ND doesn’t have anyone on the d - line to get pressure with just three guys.

So, instead, you drop 7 or 8 (again, unfortunately, with the incompetency of this staff, you’d need to go back at the tape to verify that they even had 11 guys) to play a weak zone and they convert like it was no big deal.

Send someone (Marist, Kiser, touchdown Jesus from the library — I don’t care) to get to the QB or generate some pressure and force an errant throw.

Funny, the first time I really paid attention to a Marcus Freeman defense was when I caught the end of that Cincy-Georgia bowl game right before we hired him. Cincy was gonna win. Georgia got the the ball late. Cincy kept rushing three guys. Georgia picked them apart. Georgia won.
It never works. Especially against good WRs. You've got to disrupt the quarterback.

 

[Lberry]

Being ranked #11 with #18, #4, and a likely ranked Clemson is pretty great for a 1- loss team.

Time to get rehyped.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Being ranked #11 with #18, #4, and a likely ranked Clemson is pretty great for a 1- loss team.

Time to get rehyped.

If USC wins every game besides vs ND, we have a shot at 11-1.

 

[mrmcgrail]

We can easily have a schedule if we win out that we beat pac 12 champ in usc the acc champ in Duke and a last second loss to osu the season isn't over

 

[PutuporShutup]

Put up is a moron no coach is going to throw a player or coach under the bus for that mistake. How many of you noticed 10 on the field before it was slowed down? That was on al Washington, the player and the guys out there either watts or Bertrand who count to make sure you have 11 but we'll never know which we shouldn't because you'll completely lose the locker room. Put up obviously never played football

Wrong

There’s like 8 coaches in the booth and each position coach and the head coach and the coordinator and the players that know who should be on the field for each call

 

[mrmcgrail]

Like I said you obviously never played football Washington is on the sidelines he is in charge of dline rotation but you are just some hack who whines on a message board

 

[Blazers46]

Ya, but not to be a Homer the better team didn't win last night. The little mistakes ( even the late screen that stopped the clock) that caused the massive butterfly effect was brutal. And ND lost by one play in the last second that needed reviewed. Doesn't get any closer, brutal loss fellas. Even needing to review it to rip our hearts out again was unreal.

It was only reviewed for time but I totally get your point. My point is that ND does ND and they lose these games in dumb ways 10/10 times.

 

[mrmcgrail]

And whoever made the mistake freeman will never call them out publicly because you don't do that you take it as your fault because you are the leader

 

[mrmcgrail]

Hey put up what coverage where they playing on the 3 and 19 since you know so much? I know I know what it was

 

[T-Boone]

Has anyone bothered to count how many we had on the field on that touchdown run by Harrison? My guess is we went with 9.

 

[GoIrish41]

Wrong

There’s like 8 coaches in the booth and each position coach and the head coach and the coordinator and the players that know who should be on the field for each call

Give it a rest. You’ve made the same point over and over again since the game ended last night. No need to keep repeating yourself. It’s f-ing annoying!

 

[PutuporShutup]

Like I said you obviously never played football Washington is on the sidelines he is in charge of dline rotation but you are just some hack who whines on a message board

We know Washington is probably a big part of the problem but for it to happen two plays in a row after timeout, there’s more to it than just him, way more … Washington isn’t calling the plays or figuring out what personnel groupings osu is bringing in or determining how many dlinemen nd will have on the field … 10 players on the field has happened before to every team, I’ve never seen it two plays in a row, especially with as much time as we had

 

[Luckylucci]

Like I said you obviously never played football Washington is on the sidelines he is in charge of dline rotation but you are just some hack who whines on a message board

I agree that it starts with Washington. It’s arguably his biggest in-game responsibility, to manage his rotation and substitutions.

However, this wasn’t a split second problem. This was through a TO, another play, and the other teams substitution. At that point we should have had multiple coaches processing what was going on. Including Freeman on the headset.

 

[mrmcgrail]

You're wrong he is in charge of the dlines personnel group you don't have the d coordinator doing that it's the position coach. I played college football man I'm sorry you just don't know what you are talking about

 

[JerseyIrishMan]

I'm in my 30s. Decided to watch this game with my old man like we used to when I was growing up. He's in his later 70s now, so who knows how many more "big games" the Irish will have that we can watch together...

The entire game was so frustrating. 14 points?! The refs... 10 players last two plays!! ALL the MISSED opportunities... and to still have a chance to win at the end? But have awful clock management squandered it?

Growing pains of a new staff, I guess. But that was really ugly on a lot of levels. Total gut punch yet... I've seen this all before, a few times. So you get used to carrying on as a fan. But I hope the program is learning from this and shows resilience next week. Can't come out flat.

The season's not totally lost yet, but this is not a championship team or program yet. I certainly don't see a CFP appearance in the cards but I'd love to be proven wrong.

How we replace Hartman, may make or break a lot of people's impression of the MF era...

 

[mrmcgrail]

And a big issue is a majority of defensive staff for this team is on the sidelines they aren't in the booth

 

[stlnd01]

And whoever made the mistake freeman will never call them out publicly because you don't do that you take it as your fault because you are the leader

It was more than one person. The player(s) involved. Washington. Whoever’s in the booth for the defense. Etc. It was an inexplicable fuckup.

But you’re absolutely right. Shredding them in a postgame press conference accomplishes nothing (b/c Putup would just find something else to bitch about), and ultimately the buck stops with Freeman.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I agree that it starts with Washington. It’s arguably his biggest in-game responsibility, to manage his rotation and substitutions.

However, this wasn’t a split second problem. This was through a TO, another play, and the other teams substitution. At that point we should have had multiple coaches processing what was going on. Including Freeman on the headset.

Exactly… frichan a, one of the offensive coaches probably should have even caught it

 

[PutuporShutup]

And a big issue is a majority of defensive staff for this team is on the sidelines they aren't in the booth

Hence why freeman’s system has to change, not just one person

 

[mrmcgrail]

Putup is a moron I'm still waiting to hear what coverage we were in on 3 and 19 since he knows football so well

 

[forkbeard3777]

Funny, the first time I really paid attention to a Marcus Freeman defense was when I caught the end of that Cincy-Georgia bowl game right before we hired him. Cincy was gonna win. Georgia got the the ball late. Cincy kept rushing three guys. Georgia picked them apart. Georgia won.
It never works. Especially against good WRs. You've got to disrupt the quarterback.

The Colorado — CSU game is another example, out of a billion. I’ll never understand why teams abandon what’s been working all game for that prevent, zone shit. It never works.