ND-Big10 Conversations

[Irish4Life09]

Ok, I know this will piss people off...not my intention...and I didnt create this thread to see everyone's opinion on the idea.
But, I just got a tweet from Pete Thamel,the Sports Writer for the New York Times(yeh i know i hate em too)...anyway, he tweeted that he just spoke with the AD of the BCS and apparently ND and the Big10 and very much in deliberations.

I personally think our hand is halfway being forced...but joining the Big10 wont be a bad thing if this happens.Being an independent isn't what it once was.Yes we have done everything up until now as and Ind., but so what? The entire environment of the college football landscape is changing.We can be on the forefront of this huge change, and have people follow US, or we can be left out in the cold and have nothing, and no one to schedule.
I'd welcome a move to the Big 10.

 

[johnnykillz]

The Pac-10 / Big-12 catastrophy can change everything...

What of the SEC? SEC / ACC?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I tend to agree with you in your thinking. The times....they are a-changin'.... Swarbrick isn't going to let us fall off the map based off the whole "independent status" ideology.

Time to climb on board folks, this is a new century....a new beginning. Drugs have taken over baseball, college football is being overrun by the all-mighty dollar and Tony Danza is no longer a nanny for that really feminine kid on the tv sit-com, Who's the Boss. Time to poo or get off the pot.

 

[Irish4Life09]

yeh...theyre saying nebraska is the key.
i honestly think if ND goes to the Big10 others will follow.
If we dont do this,we might be the last person without a chair when the music stops.
if we get left out of a superconference scenario, it will be impossible to schedule any quality opponents on our schedule.the superconferences will have to have so many in-conference games that we'll be stuck playing nobodys.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yes! I hope so!

 

[military_irish]

i would love for ND to stay independent because they are able to play who ever they want whenever they want.
but in the same respect the way college football is going they wont allow a team like ND to be independent.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

http://twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Talking to ND AD Jack Swarbrick. On deliberations with the Big 10: "That’s just not true."

So.........

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

So.........

Exchanging chili recipes?

 

[BGIF]

... I'd welcome a move to the Big 10.

Last one out turn out the lights on ND football.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Last one out turn out the lights on ND football.

Give me some legit reasons why you think we shouldnt join a conference?
No one can seem to get over fanboyism and give a legit reason.
The only thing I can think that MIGHT be negatively affected is television coverage.We might lose the NBC deal if we join the Big10(although we might lose it soon anyway)...but if we do we get the biggest college football powerhouse right now with the Big10 Network.

And don't tell me we shouldn't join a conference because we've always been an independent and should always be like that. No one has cared about independents in DECADES!
It does not help us in anyway to be an independent, it hurts us.Why would we still want to be compared to Army and Navy athletically?
And once the superconferences begin, if we dont join one, it will be almost impossible to have better than a terrible schedule,due to the fact that the schools will have to have so many in-conference games and wont want to schedule us.

 

[bert2834]

I agree with Irish4Life, I think we should join the Big Ten. We already play 3 of their teams every year, we are in the Big Ten footprint.

This would be a good move now by the Irish.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Last one out turn out the lights on ND football.

Nice overreaction there.

 

[JKhrome1ND]

With the Main 3 conferences going to 16 teams (Pac-10, Big Ten and the SEC) plus others maybe not sure how the Big 12 and the ACC and the Big East are going to last .......this is the way i look at it.

Notre Dames Main Rivalries are with USC, Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue and Navy, & are Minor Rivalries are with Boston College, Pittsbrugh, and Stanford, & are Off and On again Riavlries are with Air Force, Army, Georgia Tech, Miami (Fla), Penn. St. Nebraska, and Northwestern over history. And recently we've also been playing Washington, Tennessee & UCLA.
I took a look at the last 11 seasons counting this year on who we play (some years we play 11 teams some years we play 12 teams a year).

USC, Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, Navy, & Stanford - 11 games

Boston College - 9 games

Pittsbrugh - 8 games

Washington, Air Force - 4 games

Tennessee, Syracuse & BYU - 3 games

Army, Nebraska, UCLA, Washington St, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Rutgers, Georgia Tech, Florida St., Penn St. & North Carolina - 2 games

Utah, San Diego St., Duke, Maryland, Nevada, Connecticut, Tulsa, & Western Michigan - 1game

I think since the Big Ten already has Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue (thats 3 rivals) with Penn St., Indiana, Northwestern (thats another 3 more cool rivals) to play verus. With Ohio St., Illinios, Minnesota, Wisconson, Iowa, thats 11 teams hopefully Nebraska and Missouri join the Big Ten as well, that way we can gain another Rival back with Nebraska. So thats 13 teams in the Big Ten counting us, we would need another 3 more teams, if i was the Big Ten i would want to bring in some of are other rivals to really get us to join the Big Ten. And i say they should go after definitely Pittsbrugh and Boston College, thats 15 teams right there. I guess the last school i would go after would be someone like Rutgers, Cincinnati, Navy, Syracuse !!! to finish off the 16 team conference (that way we would be able to play Navy every year and some what re-new the Syracuse rival. So going to the Big Ten has some Props to it. But ...........

Im pretty damn sure USC is always going to be a team we will schedule in one of are non-conference games !!! 100% IMO

and i dont mind playing someone like Stanford, Gerogia Tech, Florida St., Army, Air Force, Tennessee, North Carolina, BYU, Miami (fla), UCLA, Washington, BYU every other year or so to keep up those rivals for fun.

BUT HOPEFULLY they are able to play teams from the Pac 10 still (USC is a lock, but teams like Stanford, Wash, Wash St & UCLA) etc...... !! Cause that's a huge plus in recruiting in CALI !! when they are able to invite Cali players to those games.......Plus having a contract with NBC is also a huge plus. Cause to tell you the truth thats my favorite thing to do on a saturday morning or afternoon is to watch Notre Dame games (we can not lose that) but im sure we will if we go to the Big Ten.

 

[Ben E.]

just wondering...what is going to happen to the other 56 teams in div.1 that arent included in delaney's plan to ruin college football? do they create there own series? is it the new NIT?lol I cant believe that people are going along with this even if you take out the "independent" argument. its just bad for football and fans; the matchups, splitting the state of texas between conferences, having to pay for super conferance TV cable packages to be able to watch games. just all bad imo! just so a handfull of people get richer! NICE! and in the end they will still fuck it up and every year there will still be some kind of controversy regarding the NC! besides ND what happens to boise st in a super conferance model? i think they are getting pretty legit and it would be a shame to not have them involved or any other "cinderellas" for that matter! in college basketball the ncaa says get damn near everybody involved in post season and then in college football the exact opposite. i just dont get it!

 

[BillyIrish]

I think the Big 12 schools that were given the ultimatum are holding serve at the moment. If they say yes to the Big 10, then who knows what is going to happen! Does the PAC 10 completely blow up the landscape of college football? Maybe the Big 12 decides to go after Boise, Utah, or TCU. You know the SEC isn't going to stand pat. I think ND has a little more time asses the situation. They can probably wait to see what transpires through the summer.

I hope the day that ND joins a conference never comes, but if that day does, it has to be with one of these "super conferences". Playing in a conference littered with Big East/ACC leftovers, no thanks!

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I wouldn't mind a superconference. Let's say 16 teams. That is 7 games in your half of the conference, say 2 in the other half. That still gives us 3 games non conference. USC, Navy (probably), and somewhere we want to recruit. Let's say it is the big 10 (16) They wouldn't separate ND and UM and they wouldn't separate UM with OSU. Looks like we'd be in the eastern half.

ND
UM
MSU
Purdon't
OSU
Indiana
PSU
One of the teams from the big east if they join (pitt or rutgers)

That still leaves us with Purdon't, MSU, and UM.

If Texas joins, the conference championship would be huge...

 

[NDinL.A.]

So many 'reports', and so many of them are complete b.s. The report yesterday that came out that said the Swarbrick was in a meeting with all these other AD's was complete bull, as Swarbrick was at his son's graduation open house at the exact time of the meeting.

Kinda like the USC sanctions, I'm tired of the media making up reports that have all been proven to be false, only to make up a new report a day later based on info from 'sources'. I'm sure there are major things developing behind the scenes, but until I see some substance to these reports, I'll wait to pass judgment...

 

[Irish4Life09]

So many 'reports', and so many of them are complete b.s. The report yesterday that came out that said the Swarbrick was in a meeting with all these other AD's was complete bull, as Swarbrick was at his son's graduation open house at the exact time of the meeting.

Kinda like the USC sanctions, I'm tired of the media making up reports that have all been proven to be false, only to make up a new report a day later based on info from 'sources'. I'm sure there are major things developing behind the scenes, but until I see some substance to these reports, I'll wait to pass judgment...

Re-read the article.It never says they were together at the same time yesterday. It says they have been in deliberations for some time now.

 

[irishfan]

Wonder if it would be possible to change from being a Big East football-only independent to a Big 10 (11, 16?) football-only independent and maybe have some deal in place to play against 4 or 5 Big 10 teams every year but to still remain independent. If the Big 12 falls apart with 6 teams going to the Pac-10 and the rest going to the Big 10 or Mtn West than this really could be our only option to stay an independent. Especially if the Big 10 grabs Rutgers or Pitt or Syracuse as well because then you would have to think the ACC would be more than happy to take WVU and USF, and the Big East could be completely done. Way too many scenarios to think about but if there are ever 4 or more superconferences, ND being a Big 10 football-only independent could be an option.

 

[Seamus]

Reasons for not joining the Big Integer or any other conference:
1) Marginalization/Geography: Every school in the big ten is slowly loosing any ability to recruit on a national level. Some are already completely shut out of anything close to impact players outside their area and most of those major recruits leave for warmer climes. By joining, ND would simply (eventually) join the rest of the big ten decline. The Big Ten Network surely makes these schools a lot of money, but it's not improving either their recuiting or there on field product.
2)Diversity: Ten huge state run institutions (plus NW) and one little Catholic University? ND would continually be on the loosing end of the vote when it comes to what is best for the school, it's student body and the it's student athletes. This in and of itself would be the most detrimental effect of joining a conference, especially the Big Ten. Giving up all that makes ND, ND for just a little more money seems extremely ill-conceived.
3) Differentiation: once you are part of the behemoth, how do you separate yourself. You play the same schools, in the same area of the country, year in, year out. Why would any recruit select ND and have to apply himself, when he could get the same exposure, play the same schedule and simply skate by as a Buckeye or Wolverine, or a Spartan.
There are reasons to join, but they suk. At the end of the day I would rather be a mediocre 9-3 or 8-4 with no chance of getting into the BCS (which will eventually go away anyway) games, than two mid-season losses and still have hopes makeing the "conference championship"! Big Deal!
Lastly, ND is a national brand because of a long tradition of playing a national, and sometimes international schedule. We can still recruit nationally because we still matter nationally, even after what we've been through for the last 15 plus years. Oh and don't forget, most of the big ten HATE ND; from alumni, to fan base, to student body and even faculty and administration. There is certainly no love lost. Do you go to a party knowing you may be the most hated person there, even if you know the just being there means everyone will pay more attention to the party? Only if you're Paris Hilton.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Re-read the article.It never says they were together at the same time yesterday. It says they have been in deliberations for some time now.

different report

 

[wallym]

Reasons for not joining the Big Integer or any other conference:
1) Marginalization/Geography: Every school in the big ten is slowly loosing any ability to recruit on a national level. Some are already completely shut out of anything close to impact players outside their area and most of those major recruits leave for warmer climes. By joining, ND would simply (eventually) join the rest of the big ten decline. The Big Ten Network surely makes these schools a lot of money, but it's not improving either their recuiting or there on field product.
OSU, PSU, Meatchicken, and IOWA don't seem to have a problem recruiting nationally. Plus, I think our recruiting only gets better as BK owns the Cincy market, and is working on Cleveland and Columbus. Finally, you hit it on the head with "The Big Ten Network surely makes these schools a lot of money..."

2)Diversity: Ten huge state run institutions (plus NW) and one little Catholic University? ND would continually be on the loosing end of the vote when it comes to what is best for the school, it's student body and the it's student athletes. This in and of itself would be the most detrimental effect of joining a conference, especially the Big Ten. Giving up all that makes ND, ND for just a little more money seems extremely ill-conceived.
That's the drawback for ND if it joins...there are other people making the decisions for the conference, and not just ND making them. I'm perfectly fine with this, and it's needed as independence doesn't mean what it used too

3) Differentiation: once you are part of the behemoth, how do you separate yourself. You play the same schools, in the same area of the country, year in, year out. Why would any recruit select ND and have to apply himself, when he could get the same exposure, play the same schedule and simply skate by as a Buckeye or Wolverine, or a Spartan.
There are reasons to join, but they suk. At the end of the day I would rather be a mediocre 9-3 or 8-4 with no chance of getting into the BCS (which will eventually go away anyway) games, than two mid-season losses and still have hopes makeing the "conference championship"! Big Deal!
How do you seperate yourself? Easy, win conference championships, then get to go to National Championships. This isn't happening now as an independent. On your comment about "applying himself", I don't see a lot of NW, Purdue, or Indiana players in the NFL like I do OSU, PSU, etc. You would rather be mediocre with no chance of BCS...what kind of sense does that even make?

Lastly, ND is a national brand because of a long tradition of playing a national, and sometimes international schedule. We can still recruit nationally because we still matter nationally, even after what we've been through for the last 15 plus years. Oh and don't forget, most of the big ten HATE ND; from alumni, to fan base, to student body and even faculty and administration. There is certainly no love lost. Do you go to a party knowing you may be the most hated person there, even if you know the just being there means everyone will pay more attention to the party? Only if you're Paris Hilton.

I love it that the Big 10 hates ND...better for the rivalries in place and new ones to be built.

 

[Irish4Life09]

I love it that the Big 10 hates ND...better for the rivalries in place and new ones to be built.

i completely and utterly agree with you.
you'd have to be an idiot to think just because we join a conference we all of a sudden cant recruit nationally.WE ARE ND! We are the most storied program in college football, even with us doing nothing nationally in 20 years we have still been able to recruit nationally.Some kids dont mind playing up north,some do,its always been like that...a conference wont change that.
all we have to do is win.thats all that matters.

 

[TerryTate]

Notre Dame Football - Setting Things Straight | ISD

As the story of the Big 12's deadline on Nebraska and Missouri to declare their allegiances picked up steam on Sunday, there was a report on Monday speculating that Notre Dame could be operating with a similar deadline in place from the Big Ten. It is safe to assume that the Big Ten would want an answer from Notre Dame before that Big 12 deadline expired, but the real question is how much dialogue is actually going on between the Irish and Big Ten.

On Monday night, the New York Times’ Pete Thamel tweeted a quote from an anonymous BCS athletic director, “Notre Dame and the Big Ten are very much in deliberations.” An hour later, Thamel spoke with Swarbrick, who said “That’s just not true.”

ESPN’s Joe Schad later reported that he was hearing that the Irish were “not budging.”

Swarbrick told Thamel that Notre Dame’s discussions have been internal, maintaining that external conversations have been limited to helping the Big East.

So what does all of this mean?

Well, nothing has really changed, the least of which, Swarbrick’s ability to keep Notre Dame’s intentions private until he is ready to make them public. Swarbrick did tell Thamel that he expects everyone to have a good idea of what will happen by the end of the summer.

Until then, the rumors will continue…and so will the denials.

 

[rocket31]

OSU, PSU, Meatchicken, and IOWA don't seem to have a problem recruiting nationally. Plus, I think our recruiting only gets better as BK owns the Cincy market, and is working on Cleveland and Columbus. Finally, you hit it on the head with "The Big Ten Network surely makes these schools a lot of money..."

is this a joke or sarcasm?

what HS players from the south, texas region, or west coast are even considering these teams at this point in recruiting?

penn state has a total of 1 commitment from a 2* scrub.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Good coaching>>>Recruiting. Those 5 stars didn't help over the past decade, and Iowa just had their 2* scrubs carry them to an Orange Bowl victory.

 

[rocket31]

wait, our five stars didnt help?

without jimmy (5*) last year we might have lost every game but nevada and washington state

this year dayne, floyd, te'o, rudolph are undoubtedably are best players and all 5* players.

without them we would be hoping to win 6 games this year.

eta: anyways, this isnt a recruiting thread...but there is a great chance our recruiting would suffer if we joined the big ten.

 

[FrankMA]

wait, our five stars didnt help?

without jimmy (5*) last year we might have lost every game but nevada and washington state

this year dayne, floyd, te'o, rudolph are undoubtedably are best players and all 5* players.

without them we would be hoping to win 6 games this year.

eta: anyways, this isnt a recruiting thread...but there is a great chance our recruiting would suffer if we joined the big ten.

These are 5 star recruits. Look on the ND roster-how many 4 or 5 star players are from around Indiana? ND has to be able to recruit nationally because of their high academic standards. If they can only recruit regionally,like many of the big 10 teams, they will be Northwestern in a few years.

 

[phork]

Texas best fits in the SEC. I think Nebraska to the Big10 is a done deal. At the end of the day there is going to be four 16 team super conferences, and if ND is not in one they will be frozen out.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if these 4 super conferences came to life and then they told the NCAA to go pound salt.