Navy Post Game

[koonja]

Day is gone after this year.

I'm guessing he meant Rochelle.
I'm not sold on Trumbetti yet, I think he'd be starting of Romeo was THAT bad and will see how well Jones recovers.

Also Cage will be back next year.

I did mean Rochelle, my bad.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Chris Brown. I owe you an apology. I've doubted you since after your freshman year. You've made me eat my words. Great young man. Great leader.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sometimes being an Irish fan sucks.

We just beat a pretty good Navy team that came in undefeated. There are a lot more negative comments in here than positive. Geesh, come on guys.

Sorry man, but these are the type of posts that are shocked when we lose to better teams. It's been happening for years. We don't play well but beat inferior opponents , yea. Then play real teams and lose. I dot make the rules, the game of football does and you don't get to play this way against good teams and win, very simple

 

[irishfanjho15]

Anyone find the post game presser? Can't find it.

 

[NDohio]

Sorry man, but these are the type of posts that are shocked when we lose to better teams. It's been happening for years. We don't play well but beat inferior opponents , yea. Then play real teams and lose. I dot make the rules, the game of football does and you don't get to play this way against good teams and win, very simple

No, I am never shocked when we lose to good teams. But, I am one of those guys that never gets too high nor too low during a game/season. You play the team on the field that week and when you win you celebrate that win.

And I understand the thought process of looking ahead and saying "If we continue to do this then we are in trouble against _____". But let's take a look at this week in CFB. We beat a better team than what USC lost to and, outside of a few poorly executed plays, we looked a whole lot better than USC looked this week

This is the post Navy game thread, let's celebrate our win over Navy and then go to the USC thread and fret over whether we can win that game.

 

[kmoose]

Idk if it was just because I am jealous of michigan having Harbaugh, but I was pretty disappointed in general. I felt there was too much cute playcalling on offense against a team that we have a significant size and speed advantage against.

I noticed that Kelly ran much more pistol today than normal. I think he used this game to see how well the offense can run some stuff at game speed. Not so much "was it wildly successful"(it was Navy, after all), but "did the guys make the right reads, run the right way, handle the handoff?", etc.......... I think that you do that against a team like Navy so that you know what to expect. And if it doesn't work, you can always go back to your bread and butter and put huge points up.

 

[kmoose]

Anyone find the post game presser? Can't find it.

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[JughedJones]

I noticed that Kelly ran much more pistol today than normal. I think he used this game to see how well the offense can run some stuff at game speed. Not so much "was it wildly successful"(it was Navy, after all), but "did the guys make the right reads, run the right way, handle the handoff?", etc.......... I think that you do that against a team like Navy so that you know what to expect. And if it doesn't work, you can always go back to your bread and butter and put huge points up.

My thoughts exactly.

The missed tackles are troubling, but I'm not sure how much we should take out of today's offense.

 

[pkt77242]

My thoughts exactly.

The missed tackles are troubling, but I'm not sure how much we should take out of today's offense.

I somewhat disagree. Kizer has a tendency to stare down receivers (not shocking for a young QB) and that is troubling because good DB's will take advantage of it.

 

[ickythump1225]

I will say that Joe Schmidt has no business being in a starting role at a big time university. He missed several tackles and Navy's backup QB ran through his arm tackle like he wasn't even there at one point. I think him leaving next year will be addition by subtraction. Similar to Cam McDaniel leaving. Our running game is better off without BK force feeding McDaniel 10-15 times a game.

That is not to say that I dislike either player as they both seem like solid guys and good leaders but they have physical shortcomings and Schmidt can be a liability out there at times.

 

[Junkhead]

Thank God Torii Hunter Jr. is not our QB. That is all.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I will say that Joe Schmidt has no business being in a starting role at a big time university. He missed several tackles and Navy's backup QB ran through his arm tackle like he wasn't even there at one point. I think him leaving next year will be addition by subtraction. Similar to Cam McDaniel leaving. Our running game is better off without BK force feeding McDaniel 10-15 times a game.

That is not to say that I dislike either player as they both seem like solid guys and good leaders but they have physical shortcomings and Schmidt can be a liability out there at times.

My general thoughts about Schmidt, or any Irish player for that matter, is just take a minute to consider if they would be anywhere near a starting role at an OSU or BAMA or any of the big boys we are trying to compete with for a Natty. If the answer is no, then he has no business being on the field for us either. I have a hard time imagining Joe playing any role on Bama's defense...somebody like Morgan or Coney I could see being allowed to play fast and play hard, using athleticism and being coached up to be a stud after a few growing pains. I like BK, and think overall the team improves every year in depth and development, but he really needs to learn how to cut the chord with some of his upper classman favorites when it is in the best interests of the team. Pretty much every LB we have put on the field this year with the exception of Onwuala has outplayed Schmidt this year. I think I'd rather see Jaylon, Martini and Coney/Morgan and just let the young pups get after it.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I noticed that Kelly ran much more pistol today than normal. I think he used this game to see how well the offense can run some stuff at game speed. Not so much "was it wildly successful"(it was Navy, after all), but "did the guys make the right reads, run the right way, handle the handoff?", etc.......... I think that you do that against a team like Navy so that you know what to expect. And if it doesn't work, you can always go back to your bread and butter and put huge points up.

I was thinking along those lines also.
Everyone is criticizing Kelly for coming out throwing. Well I think we all know that the first 15 or so plays are scripted. To me it seems that Kelly wants to give Kizer a few more reps throwing the ball to get him as much experience for the stretch run of the season.


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[returnofthemack]

I noticed that Kelly ran much more pistol today than normal. I think he used this game to see how well the offense can run some stuff at game speed. Not so much "was it wildly successful"(it was Navy, after all), but "did the guys make the right reads, run the right way, handle the handoff?", etc.......... I think that you do that against a team like Navy so that you know what to expect. And if it doesn't work, you can always go back to your bread and butter and put huge points up.

That's a good point. I just would rather we do the experimenting after scoring a few times first and taking Navy out of their comfort zone.

 

[kmoose]

That's a good point. I just would rather we do the experimenting after scoring a few times first and taking Navy out of their comfort zone.

But you want to run the plays against a base defense, not a defense that is already down by 21 points. That way you can honestly evaluate the reads that the players are making, etc.

 

[kmoose]

I did mean Rochelle, my bad.

Except that Rochell is an End, and you were talking about the middle of the defense...

 

[koonja]

Except that Rochell is an End, and you were talking about the middle of the defense...

Rochelle plays both positions.

 

[Grahambo]

Worse then Schmidt was Onwalu. He played a major role in both of those long TD runs. Coney and Morgan definitely need more PT though.

Look, just survive Navy. Win and get out with no major injuries. They did both. On to SC.

 

[ThePiombino]

Worse then Schmidt was Onwalu. He played a major role in both of those long TD runs. Coney and Morgan definitely need more PT though.

Look, just survive Navy. Win and get out with no major injuries. They did both. On to SC.

Onwualu had a rough game, no doubt. But Schmidt is also proving to be a liability the other 11 games of the regular season (OK, he played well against GT, so 10), unlike James.

 

[kmoose]

Rochelle plays both positions.

Our Starting D Line per game:

TEXAS
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Virginia
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Georgia Tech
Okwara
Day
Tillery
Rochell

UMASS
Okwara
Day
Cage

Clemson
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Navy
Okwara
Day
Tillery
Rochell

Isaac Rochell is a DE.

 

[Grahambo]

Onwualu had a rough game, no doubt. But Schmidt is also proving to be a liability the other 11 games of the regular season (OK, he played well against GT, so 10), unlike James.

Not absolving Joe. Handing out the fair share of blame for this game only.

 

[kmoose]

Let's not forget that Navy's fullbacks had 130+ yards on 21 carries, a 6+ yard per carry average, and 2 of Navy's 3 TDs. That's on the Defensive Line. They are responsible for the fullback. The D Line got pushed around yesterday, as is further evidenced by the ease with which Navy converted all 4 of the 4th downs that they went for. Probably a big issue was having true Freshman Jerry Tillery in there, at the point of attack. Tillery was probably not ready for the cut blocking that Navy does, nor the precision and tenacity that they do it with. Now he's seen it and knows what to expect. But none of the D Linemen was shedding blocks and blowing up option plays with any regularity. The Linebackers left a lot to be desired, but football is a team game...

 

[ThePiombino]

Not absolving Joe. Handing out the fair share of blame for this game only.

Fair enough.

 

[koonja]

Our Starting D Line per game:

TEXAS
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Virginia
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Georgia Tech
Okwara
Day
Tillery
Rochell

UMASS
Okwara
Day
Cage

Clemson
Okwara
Day
Cage
Rochell

Navy
Okwara
Day
Tillery
Rochell

Isaac Rochell is a DE.

I don't give two fucks what the depth chart says. It can only list him at one position, but he plays a ton of both inside and out. If you don't know that, watch Notre Dame football games.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't give two fucks what the depth chart says. It can only list him at one position, but he plays a ton of both inside and out. If you don't know that, watch Notre Dame football games.

Right, and our ends COULD be asked to drop into coverage, but you wouldn't list them on the secondary depth chart, would you? Rochell is an end. Period.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I know in multiple threads, for multiple years people who have gone to a ND home game sometimes complain about the older generation fans, etc., etc.,...

But one item I do adore about ND fans vs Navy is the gratitude and welcome Navy gets when they play at ND stadium.

I had a few buddies over (only 1 an Irish fan) and they all were in awe of how the Irish fans did not boo the Navy team as they ran onto the field. Makes me proud to be an Irish fan - you won't find many, if any, fan bases that won't boo the armed forces teams as they take the field - unless it is between the armed forces themselves which is expected only due to rivalry.

 

[ThePiombino]

I know in multiple threads, for multiple years people who have gone to a ND home game sometimes complain about the older generation fans, etc., etc.,...

But one item I do adore about ND fans vs Navy is the gratitude and welcome Navy gets when they play at ND stadium.

I had a few buddies over (only 1 an Irish fan) and they all were in awe of how the Irish fans did not boo the Navy team as they ran onto the field. Makes me proud to be an Irish fan - you won't find many, if any, fan bases that won't boo the armed forces teams as they take the field - unless it is between the armed forces themselves which is expected only due to rivalry.

It's a special rivalry for sure and I'll enjoy the hell out of it while it lasts...

...but it's one that I wouldn't mind seeing end.

 

[Grahambo]

Fair enough.

Give me Tevon and Nyles for the rest of the reason. I'll take them over Joe/James.

 

[Grahambo]

I don't give two fucks what the depth chart says. It can only list him at one position, but he plays a ton of both inside and out. If you don't know that, watch Notre Dame football games.

And Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora played a ton of DT with the Giants speed rush back in '07 but they are DE's. I get what you're saying but he's a DE who happens to rotate at other DL positions.

 

[ThePiombino]

Give me Tevon and Nyles for the rest of the reason. I'll take them over Joe/James.

As far as I'm concerned, jury is out on Onwualu's overall net impact. That said, given the choice between those two packages - Coney and Morgan have infinitely more potential and possibly could wind up being just as effective NOW. I'm with you on this one.