Mauk vs. Kiel

[johnnykillz]

When I first read that "Screw one" I thought you were going to start the "screw one, kill one, marry one" game...no joke haha

Nice.

Tits baby!

Props.

LMAO.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Whatever goes on here, as I intimated on a different thread, Notre Dame is moving slowly compared with many powers in the country, recruit-wise, so far. I'm not claiming any panic at all. But my feeling is that we could use a marquee signing or two to build some positive vibes in our other potential recruits' minds.

 

[woolybug25]

It's one thing to state an opinion, but when you basically repeat it over and over again it gets obnoxious

Just my

Aren't you doing the same thing by stating your always-approving opinion over and over again?

Listen, there are basic topics of recruiting that can contribute to an opinion on whether a QB prospect is going to be successful within any team. Some of these include:

1) Intangibles of the player. - How has he handled adversity? Is he a leader? How does he handle himself during a course of game?
2) Character - What is important to the recruit? Is he a good teamate? And again... Is he a leader?
3) Measurables - How big are they? 40 times. Etc
4) Athleticism - Can they move well in the pocket? Can they extend plays? How's his arm?
5) Do they reflect what we need - Do they fit our system? Is it a position of need? Do they hurt us in regards of recruiting another prospect? Can they help us gain other valuable prospect? Will they fit in with the other recruits/players on team?

Those are the general topics I stick to regarding any comments toward a QB prospect, and I offer a Devil's advocate view to this than you. That's ok with me, but I encourage you to search your posts and look for how many times you have posted about ANY recruit where you ventured off similar points to above. You won't find many, so I find it hypocritical for you to say that I keep repeating myself, when I am only posting about the same topics as you. Albeit, devils advocate to your opinion on how you feel about those topics.

 

[woolybug25]

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ok, IrishLax, I got a moment to look at this. Here are my thoughts, and as always, they are based simply on my personal opininon of Mauk as a prospect. I only bring this up because I told you I would watch the highlights and I see you as a guy that is willing to look at things in perspective.

1) First of all, a lot of this video is edited in a slighter faster or slower speed than "real time" depending on whether he is throwing or running (1:40 is a great example of when they speed it up. In this case, it also shows how fast his progressions were, which consisted of one WR look). Take a good look and see for yourself. Watch how fast the ball is snapped and how fast ALL of the players are (keep in mind, these are class IV high school football players surrounding him), not just Mauk.
2) When I look at the film, I feel its easy to see that it is a quick read offense. They spread their entire offense horizontally. This allows Mauk to have big holes to run through if his receivers are covered out of their first breaks. His entire progression package takes less two seconds and then it is always run.
3) Because of #2, he misses a lot of coverages, here are some examples:
a) On play #1, he has the far out reciever open for a first down, but the reciever was covered off of the line and he read the safety wrong (if at all) and ended up having to scramble for the same amount of yards as he could of had if he just knew how to read the safety in a simple defensive coverage.
b) Play #5 is the only play that they play (albiet in slow-mo) that tries to emphasize footwork. Unfortunetely, we have no idea if it was a completion, because it was one of his gamble (ie spread the field vertically) tosses where he knew who he was throwing to before the ball was even snapped. My guess... if it was a completion... they would have shown it. I guess they were low on film where he completed longer throws.
4) He very well may be the tallest guy in their offense. This says something about the level of football he is playing considering that he is only 6'2" (c'mon.. can we just admit that he is closer to 6'?). How many offensive lineman under 6'2" do you see playing D1 ball?
5) The throw at 2:12 should never be on a recruits highlight tape. He stares down his reciever from the snap and ends up lofting a pass that would have been picked off by any D1 corner in the country.

Now lets take a look at Gunner:

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1) Great pocket presence. He goes through progressions before he decides to take off, and then glides through a seam. This is how pro QB's move in a pocket.
2) When he does take off, he is running through seams and breaking tackles on almost all of his runs.
3) He shows quick progressions, patience and makes the proper reads off of the snap.
4) Thows over 15 yards are part of his package, they are not "stretch the field" plays built into a short-pass heavy offense.... oh... and he completes them.
5) Has a significantly stonger arm in addition to an equally quick release (which is saying something considering Mauk isnt required to make many reads).

So those are some of my comments regarding their individual highlight films. I would love to get a hold of a full length film of each of their best games, but going off of these I am making my assumptions about each of their skill sets.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Nice job boss.

Kiel has some fast receivers. Geez.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Is this really a thread about recruits where we may not get either? I mean we have 4 stellar qbs already 3 of them have plenty of eligibility.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Keep in mind throughout all of this the time that both players have spent working on their skills. Mauk get's 3 months a year to work on his skills full time. Does Kiel play any other sports? That shows a difference in competitive nature right off the bat. Don't bash a small school kid that plays 3 sports and competes 24/7. With proper coaching (not saying he is not being coached now) where he can focus 100% on football all year long, a lot of the flaws he may have will and can be corrected.

I will take either QB and whichever one we don't get, especially Mauk, may end up in Michigan and we will have to play him 2-4 times in the future. Off topic a bit, but I don't see Denard making it through the whole year at Michigan at QB and anyone that comes in will have a tremendous chance at early playing time if their backup Gardner doesn't pan out.

Also, as a slow dude i'm not sure what you guys ran but 44.3 is pretty fast to me and i couldn't keep up, which means i wouldn't be able to make the 4x100 team all the guys on here must of ran on.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I found it difficult to assess Kiel from this highlight film alone [since it's so short], but it seems to demonstrate that he is a willing runner [which I did not realize] and a passer with good technique [which everyone says].

Mauk's highlight reel is much longer and thereby easier to dwell in and get a feeling for the athlete. My relatively ignorant take on Mauk's status quo is somewhere between those of our two board "combatants" on this thread. Mauk seems very "quick-footed" to me. [regardless of the screwing around of his tape editor]. His mechanics aren't always the greatest [a lot of off-balance and throwing across his body passes] but that doesn't bother me once Kelly would get to work on that. He's more "tebowesque" in his riverboat gambler/make-something-happen style. Whether you get the wild horse under more control or not will tell the tale as to the level of winner you have at D-! ball. There were several "unwise" throws in the film, but again, that would be Kelly's job.

My tentative bottomline, seeing no more than this, would be that both these guys are really good and I can see why Kelly offered both of them, and not others with sparkling reviews. Doubtless both are SOME kind of teaching project, but because Kiel is a willing and strong runner, and Mauk is a more-than-willing scrambler/runner [but pass first], either can operate Kelly's spread.

Sorry to be mutually praiseworthy in the middle of a board fire-fight.

 

[Rocket89]

Real quick:

1. Kiel is not, per numerous coaches and scouts, a better athlete/runner than Mauk. That's a falacy.

2. Mauk's h.s. coach and father (say what you will but the dude is successful and knows a helluva lot more than you and I) said that the offense Maty runs and BK's offense are strikingly similar. Obviously Bk's is more complicated, but their offense are VERY similar. So yes, he does fit the system very well.

3. Any h.s. QB will have tons of work to do with footwork, pocket presence, etc. That will not be just a Maty Mauk issue, it will be an issue for pretty much any QB. Some might be more advanced, but there are still issues to be worked on. Kiel will have many of those same issues, you'll see.

1. It's hardly a topic that is set in stone. In no way do I look at Mauk and think he's crazy athletic, certainly not so much that he's so obviously better than Kiel. Mauk is small and small guys' athleticism should be jumping out at you, and he just doesn't to me. Kiel is much bigger and while his athleticism isn't crazy bananas either, he moves really well and can get down field in a hurry.

2. I'm sure Maty's father is going to say that. I know there are some similarities, but the kid plays in a wacky no-back set that looks more Texas Tech on acid than Notre Dame. There are a couple plays that are similar to ours, but his whole film looks nothing like what we run at ND. On the flip side, I see Kiel's film and he's doing exactly what we want to do. Option read, run the ball from time to time, and a big tall guy standing in the pocket making throws.

3. Saying both guys will need work doesn't mean they'll both be at the same level if they arrived together in South Bend. It appears to me that Mauk is going to need a **** ton of work on everything. With Kiel, I see someone who is already very polished as a quarterback. That doesn't mean he won't need a lot of coaching but it's pretty obvious to me that he is way ahead of the curve in relation to Mauk. Just look at the way Kiel handles the ball on the read, stands in the pocket, always bouncing on his feet, has great mechanics...he is very polished. I see none of that with Mauk, he looks like he's winging it in the backyard.

 

[delt1147]

Guys i know some people are really high on Mauk here. But whats so great about him. He throws the ball like he is pitching a baseball. He throws a lot of picks. I know he throws up ridiculous numbers. And he has a hell of a lot more athletically ability than i will ever have. But someone posted this on another board and i couldn't agree more.


Plays weak competition.
- Is short for a D-1 QB.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level.
- Has a funky throwing motion.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season.

Honestly i am not doubting him maybe he is the next Colt MCcoy but honestly i dont think he will ever play over Andrew Hendrix or Everett Golson. Sorry if i am being negative Nancy but thats just how i feel. I have watched his youtube video probably more than anyone on here and there is still not one play where i am like WOW how did he do that. But with Everett Golson or Gunner Kiel i think to myself WOW how did he do that. Maybe its just me but i dont have a hard on for this kid like most people do.

The only thing I will refute is that the offense is not designed for his son. It is designed success because the athletes they have at that school are all small. Even the lineman. I am talking 5'8" 160 guards. Very small. So they play in space instead. I will say though Kiel is much better. I have watched Maty for years and he is just not great. I would love him if the ncaa ever went to 7on7.

 

[hawkballer30]

i got an idea...why dont we try and sign both, and let them duel to become the starter when their times comes. Thats just my opinion

 

[rtrn2glory]

don't see us taking two QBs with the other needs we have right now at RB and DB

to be honest i would not be devestated if we didn't take a QB this year.

 

[OchoShayneO]

don't see us taking two QBs with the other needs we have right now at RB and DB

to be honest i would not be devestated if we didn't take a QB this year.

what this guy said

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

don't see us taking two QBs with the other needs we have right now at RB and DB

to be honest i would not be devestated if we didn't take a QB this year.

Every class needs 1 QB I believe, I mean... we could manage since we got Hendrix and Rees the same year, but you don't want to put yourself in a compromising position.

 

[woolybug25]

i got an idea...why dont we try and sign both, and let them duel to become the starter when their times comes. Thats just my opinion

Gawwd... I wish that could actually happen. The reality is that a commitment from Mauk is most likely "game over" for Kiel.

don't see us taking two QBs with the other needs we have right now at RB and DB

to be honest i would not be devestated if we didn't take a QB this year.

While I do think we should take a QB every class, I agree with you in principle. We have a young, deep QB roster. So the importance of getting a QB is low on the totom pole. That is even more reason we should be putting all of our eggs in the Gunner Kiel basket. We should aim for the best player (who is interested, that doesnt happen every year) and worry about getting a project QB if he goes elsewhere. I mean, if you are in the belief that Mauk may not get an opportunity win the starting job during his time at ND, then who cares if we get a project QB instead?

Keep in mind, getting Kiel also keeps him off the field for Michigan or Oklahoma, both of which will be on our schedule in upcoming seasons.

 

[anarin]

Wow this thread took off...

My quick hit?

Mauk reminds me of a young Favre (gun-slinger with a chip on his shoulder)

Kiel reminds me of a young P. Manning (perfect skills , what else can you say?)

Mauk would fit BK's system better I think.

Kiel would still put up awesome numbers.

I wont be sad if we sign just one of them, every year there are QB's that come around that are good signal callers. Notre Dame looks to be setting up pretty well for the next few years even with out getting either of these guys. BOOM!

 

[Mirer3Powlus]

Kiel reminds me a lot of Blaine Gabbert, who was a fantastic spread prospect. Mauk has three star size but a five star arm.

In all honesty, the only reasons I've seen defending Mauk are that we should trust Kelly (which we absolutely do) and that he ran a similar offense to Notre Dame (which he clearly doesn't).

 

[NDinL.A.]

Kiel reminds me a lot of Blaine Gabbert, who was a fantastic spread prospect. Mauk has three star size but a five star arm.

In all honesty, the only reasons I've seen defending Mauk are that we should trust Kelly (which we absolutely do) and that he ran a similar offense to Notre Dame (which he clearly doesn't).

You haven't read the entire thread then.

A. I love Mauk, but he doesn't have a 5 star arm. Very good arm, but not 5 star. (Of course, you don't need a 5 star arm to be a stud college QB).

B. There are A LOT more reasons why people like Mauk than that, and they've been stated numerous times.

C. He clearly HAS run a similar offense. His dad saw an entire ND practice recently and commented on how similar the offenses are (not in complexity of course). You're way off base there...

 

[woolybug25]

In all honesty, the only reasons I've seen defending Mauk are that we should trust Kelly (which we absolutely do) and that he ran a similar offense to Notre Dame (which he clearly doesn't).

This is a great point that a lot of people aren't getting. If you really look at the offenses they both run, Kiel's offense is actually closer to what we do here under Kelly. Furthermore, the lack of progressions and reads required in Mauk's offense is going to lead to a very large learning curve once he arrives at any campus.

You cannot run Mauk's offense in college. A college QB has to be able to read defenses, go through 3-5 man progressions (without staring any of them down), and remain in the pocket until an opportunity to glide out of it presents itself (Kelly talks about this a lot). Mauk isnt required to do any of these, and although I am not saying he cant learn, he would have a lot to learn before being a capable starter.

 

[Mirer3Powlus]

He doesn't even have a running back in the backfield... Stop this nonsense. You think his father wouldn't try and help his son's image as a recruit to their dream school?

Watch the tape. It is closer to Texas Tech and Houston's run and shoot than anything that Kelly runs.

 

[woolybug25]

C. He clearly HAS run a similar offense. His dad saw an entire ND practice recently and commented on how similar the offenses are (not in complexity of course). You're way off base there...

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but wanted to add to this. Does Mauk run a similar offense (pass heavy, up-tempo, etc)? The answer to that is "yes". What I think a lot of people like myself are saying though, is that Gunner's offense is even closer.

Furthermore, Gunner's responsibilities are way more complex than Mauk's. If you watch clips of our offense last year, you can clearly see that Gunner is running an offense strikingly similar to what we actually do, while Mauk is running an quick-read offense that lacks any amount of complexity. I believe the similarities of Mauk's offense to ours stops at the fact that they are both up-tempo, pass heavy spreads.

 

[IrishLax]

ok, IrishLax, I got a moment to look at this. Here are my thoughts, and as always, they are based simply on my personal opininon of Mauk as a prospect. I only bring this up because I told you I would watch the highlights and I see you as a guy that is willing to look at things in perspective.

1) First of all, a lot of this video is edited in a slighter faster or slower speed than "real time" depending on whether he is throwing or running (1:40 is a great example of when they speed it up. In this case, it also shows how fast his progressions were, which consisted of one WR look). Take a good look and see for yourself. Watch how fast the ball is snapped and how fast ALL of the players are (keep in mind, these are class IV high school football players surrounding him), not just Mauk.
2) When I look at the film, I feel its easy to see that it is a quick read offense. They spread their entire offense horizontally. This allows Mauk to have big holes to run through if his receivers are covered out of their first breaks. His entire progression package takes less two seconds and then it is always run.
3) Because of #2, he misses a lot of coverages, here are some examples:
a) On play #1, he has the far out reciever open for a first down, but the reciever was covered off of the line and he read the safety wrong (if at all) and ended up having to scramble for the same amount of yards as he could of had if he just knew how to read the safety in a simple defensive coverage.
b) Play #5 is the only play that they play (albiet in slow-mo) that tries to emphasize footwork. Unfortunetely, we have no idea if it was a completion, because it was one of his gamble (ie spread the field vertically) tosses where he knew who he was throwing to before the ball was even snapped. My guess... if it was a completion... they would have shown it. I guess they were low on film where he completed longer throws.
4) He very well may be the tallest guy in their offense. This says something about the level of football he is playing considering that he is only 6'2" (c'mon.. can we just admit that he is closer to 6'?). How many offensive lineman under 6'2" do you see playing D1 ball?
5) The throw at 2:12 should never be on a recruits highlight tape. He stares down his reciever from the snap and ends up lofting a pass that would have been picked off by any D1 corner in the country.

Now lets take a look at Gunner:

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1) Great pocket presence. He goes through progressions before he decides to take off, and then glides through a seam. This is how pro QB's move in a pocket.
2) When he does take off, he is running through seams and breaking tackles on almost all of his runs.
3) He shows quick progressions, patience and makes the proper reads off of the snap.
4) Thows over 15 yards are part of his package, they are not "stretch the field" plays built into a short-pass heavy offense.... oh... and he completes them.
5) Has a significantly stonger arm in addition to an equally quick release (which is saying something considering Mauk isnt required to make many reads).

So those are some of my comments regarding their individual highlight films. I would love to get a hold of a full length film of each of their best games, but going off of these I am making my assumptions about each of their skill sets.

First of all, props for taking the time to really break it down side by side. Can't watch right now at work, but I am especially intrigued to review what you said about the replay speed of the video. If it's truly accelerated/slowed down in places that throws all of my projections about speed out the window... although going straight off the average 4x1 split for his high school he's probably still got somewhere around 4.7ish speed. Very, very interesting points to consider though.......

 

[Rocket89]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but wanted to add to this. Does Mauk run a similar offense (pass heavy, up-tempo, etc)? The answer to that is "yes". What I think a lot of people like myself are saying though, is that Gunner's offense is even closer.

Furthermore, Gunner's responsibilities are way more complex than Mauk's. If you watch clips of our offense last year, you can clearly see that Gunner is running an offense strikingly similar to what we actually do, while Mauk is running an quick-read offense that lacks any amount of complexity. I believe the similarities of Mauk's offense to ours stops at the fact that they are both up-tempo, pass heavy spreads.

Thank you.

I don't understand why people aren't realizing this.

 

[woolybug25]

I would imagine it would at least help with elite WRs who would love a gun slinging QB. Don't really see attitude affecting another recruit. Question is would that keep an elite RB from wanting in?

Gunner Kiel will undoubtably be a better win when you look at what other recruits look at.

1) Dorial Green-Beckham - I believe that he is the best WR in this class. He is looking at ND and OU both, I believe, whichever team gets Gunner will also get DGB.

2) Marshall - What kind of signal does landing a QB recruit who plans on throwing 50-60 times a game send to a runningback prospect? I think landing Mauk hurts our chances with Marshall as well.

Getting the Kiel, DGB, Marshall combo would give us the #1 overall class. No doubt.

 

[Mirer3Powlus]

Gunner Kiel will undoubtably be a better win when you look at what other recruits look at.

1) Dorial Green-Beckham - I believe that he is the best WR in this class. He is looking at ND and OU both, I believe, whichever team gets Gunner will also get DGB.

2) Marshall - What kind of signal does landing a QB recruit who plans on throwing 50-60 times a game send to a runningback prospect? I think landing Mauk hurts our chances with Marshall as well.

Getting the Kiel, DGB, Marshall combo would give us the #1 overall class. No doubt.

Excellent, excellent point.

 

[IrishLax]

Gunner Kiel will undoubtably be a better win when you look at what other recruits look at.

1) Dorial Green-Beckham - I believe that he is the best WR in this class. He is looking at ND and OU both, I believe, whichever team gets Gunner will also get DGB.

2) Marshall - What kind of signal does landing a QB recruit who plans on throwing 50-60 times a game send to a runningback prospect? I think landing Mauk hurts our chances with Marshall as well.

Getting the Kiel, DGB, Marshall combo would give us the #1 overall class. No doubt.

I would settle for any one of these guys... but realistically now I'm hoping for any 3 top flight WRs, Darby and Noor. Have a good sot at Payton, Treggs, Darboh and Carroo (who is mysteriously rated as a 5* on Scout) and could lock up Greenberry this weekend.

At the end of the day, what we really need are a bunch of Ws in the regular season and recruiting will take care of itself.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Gunner Kiel will undoubtably be a better win when you look at what other recruits look at.

1) Dorial Green-Beckham - I believe that he is the best WR in this class. He is looking at ND and OU both, I believe, whichever team gets Gunner will also get DGB.

2) Marshall - What kind of signal does landing a QB recruit who plans on throwing 50-60 times a game send to a runningback prospect? I think landing Mauk hurts our chances with Marshall as well.Getting the Kiel, DGB, Marshall combo would give us the #1 overall class. No doubt.

On #1: Sorry, but you can't know that. That is a MAJOR stretch, b/c Green isn't talking, especially after the situation with his brother. Green is looking at a TON of schools, and OK will be there in the end (most people say), but never once have i read an article on Green where it mentions Kiel or the need for big-time QBs to be at the school he chooses. Any school that Green is going to choose is going to have big-time QBs, ND included. He'll want a big-time QB, but from EVERYTHING I've read on him, fit in the school environment, with the players, academics, etc are wayyyyy higher on his priority list than Kiel.

On #2: No offense, but man, that's gotta be the WORST argument I've read on this site. Edit: That's harsh, just saying, that's another MAJOR stretch there. Marshall isn't going to look at what offense a QB ran in high school! C'mon man. Do you think GAIII and Davaris Daniels looked at Hendrix's high school stats, where he HARDLY ever threw the ball and said "Hell no, I'm not going to ND. Hendrix never threw the ball in h.s.!" Of course not. And do you think Huggins said to himself last year, "Man, Hendrix handed the ball off a lot in h.s. He's got 4 more years of eligibility left - I'm going to ND!"

Truth is, kids look at what systems the COLLEGES run. Marshall is going to llok at Cierre Wood does this year, not what Maty Mauk does.

We get it, you guys love Kiel and don't want Mauk at ND. Fine. But some these comments are straight ridiculous and take away from any sane argument you might be making.

 

[woolybug25]

On #1: Sorry, but you can't know that. That is a MAJOR stretch, b/c Green isn't talking, especially after the situation with his brother. Green is looking at a TON of schools, and OK will be there in the end (most people say), but never once have i read an article on Green where it mentions Kiel or the need for big-time QBs to be at the school he chooses. Any school that Green is going to choose is going to have big-time QBs, ND included. He'll want a big-time QB, but from EVERYTHING I've read on him, fit in the school environment, with the players, academics, etc are wayyyyy higher on his priority list than Kiel.

On #2: Man, that's gotta be the WORST argument I've read on this site. o offense man, but that's another MAJOR stretch there. Marshall isn't going to look at what offense a QB ran in high school! C'mon man. Do you think GAIII and Davaris Daniels looked at Hendrix's high school stats, where he HARDLY ever threw the ball and said "Hell no, I'm not going to ND. Hendrix never threw the ball in h.s.!" Of course not. And do you think Huggins said to himself last year, "Man, Hendrix handed the ball off a lot in h.s. He's got 4 more years of eligibility left - I'm going to ND!"

Truth is, kids look at what systems the COLLEGES run. Marshall is going to llok at Cierre Wood does this year, not what Maty Mauk does.

We get it, you guys love Kiel and don't want Mauk at ND. Fine. But some these comments are straight ridiculous and take away from any sane argument you might be making.

Dude, those are arguments based solely on my personal opinion. I do think DGB will end up at either OU or ND and I think Kiel will be ONE of the factors for him. You dont have to agree with it, but just because you think he will decide on different factors doesn't make my opinion not worthy.

On the second point, again... its my opinion. If I were in Marshall's shoes, I wouldnt just be looking at the team on the field, I would look at the recruiting class that I am going to be a part of. After all, these are the guys that he will play with his entire career. If he does look around at his class peers, I think that he would be a lot more comfortable with Kiel and DGB vs Mauk and ______. Just my opinion though, you are welcome to disagree with it if you please.


edit* - I also didn't say that Marshall would look at what the QB ran in high school. I said that Mauk will be expecting to throw 50-60 times a game at ND, and if Marshall expects that as well, then he wouldnt be very psyched about the prospect of many carries. Kelly has been VERY clear that he will change his system to his players abilities.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I want the one who understands that he will more than likely be a 2 year starter at best due to the depth chart and accepts that fact.
Due to videos which are designed to show the positives Kiel looks a little more polished right now.
Mauk shows some very nice upside and BK showed he can deal with a underdeveloped QB prospect last year if he's willing to listen.
But I'm greedy I'll take them both and let them settle it on the field.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Who really knows what type of offense ND is going to run? I believe, they ran two different ones last season? What fits is BK to his players strengths.

Mauk (if he ever sees the field)will no way in hell throw the ball 40-50 times a games at ND, that is the most rudiculous thing I have ever heard. With the defense that is being "created", I think what fits is a ball control, big play offense, that can run the ball at will.

Wooly has a man crush on Gunner.......