Marcus Freeman New DC

[T-Boone]

Uh, I can't imagine what Freeman has shown so far that warrants the talk of him moving on in a year.

Freeman isn't leaving for a small gig and hasn't done enough to warrant a big HC gig.

Well he recruits well and he does look calm and also charming on the side line even when things are bad. Speaks well to media. Maybe he is better of as a head coach than the hands on role of coordinator.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

Well he recruits well and he does look calm and also charming on the side line even when things are bad. Speaks well to media. Maybe he is better of as a head coach than the hands on role of coordinator.

could very well be the next dabo

 

[Luckylucci]

There were rumblings when he was hired that Fickell played a larger role in the defense that maybe some realized. I’m more convinced on that now than I was before.

No part of me wants Freeman gone. And, no, I’m not calling him a bust. But…

Lea took a Kyle Hamilton less defense on the road, against a better UNC offense, and got better results. We’ll pick this up next week and see how he does against Navy.

My opinion is the same. Scheme coach. Don’t like that or think that’ll ever work the way we think it will long term. Ceiling will be the same. Floor, week to week, is lower.

And, Lea was not a bend don’t break defense. He was just a lot better at using the change up and curveballs so he used it more.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

Also he wants to be an attacking defense and his coached to that and with back to back air raid teams been forced into the db heavy defenses which is our weakness and a style that is not his preference or comfort. Pin your ears back is not a good defense against the air raid teams but as bad as our product has been in the more zone drop 8 stuff my complaint is more just attack then if your gonna get burned either way because you will up your havoc rate and lets say one more unc turnover in that game sure would have taken a lot less burn out of the proverbial hemorrhoid that game felt like

 

[SBirishlawyer]

There were rumblings when he was hired that Fickell played a larger role in the defense that maybe some realized. I’m more convinced on that now than I was before.

No part of me wants Freeman gone. And, no, I’m not calling him a bust. But…

Lea took a Kyle Hamilton less defense on the road, against a better UNC offense, and got better results. We’ll pick this up next week and see how he does against Navy.

My opinion is the same. Scheme coach. Don’t like that or think that’ll ever work the way we think it will long term. Ceiling will be the same. Floor, week to week, is lower.

And, Lea was not a bend don’t break defense. He was just a lot better at using the change up and curveballs so he used it more.

Careful bringing this sound opinion in here cruz is on the war path and we need him for recruiting info and profiles.

 

[Dale]

I really hate the "Just wait till he gets his own guys" argument that people use. Good coaches game plan to win with what they have, there's no waiting till next year. The guys that have to wait often don't pan out. Lea and Elko didn't need to wait years to get things implemented, they taught sound tackling, good angles, fundamentals. We're not seeing that right now. We weren't giving up 550+ yards to UNC. I wouldn't say there's a lack of talent on this team, so it has to be the coaching.

It’s not even about his guys. I’ll make a second version of my post past week. Lea didn’t give serious, tangible PT last year to Ramon Henderson, JD Bertrand, Isaiah Pryor, Cam Hart, or Jack Kiser. Bracy lost his job. DJ Brown and Houston Griffith were behind Shaun Crawford. Sure guys graduate, new guys come in but that’s a lot of guys on the field tonight that I’m not so sure Lea is hanging his hat on either.

Also I’ve posted it the world over, there is 110% a lack of talent on the defense it is shown in the recruiting rankings.

 

[T-Boone]

Careful bringing this sound opinion in here cruz is on the war path and we need him for recruiting info and profiles.

Cruz is just making the good point that we are going 11-1 so we could all calm the F down. Cruz is good at staying calm on game day. He doesn't get into the melt down spirit. Haha.

 

[BobbyMac]

Again for like the tenth time tackling is a basic skill. If he can't improve tackling in 8 games than i don't have much faith in his scheme.

Well for the 5th time, fundamentals break down when playing faster than you're capable... or used to.

If a bunch of hand selected low 3*s (and lower) prospects at Cincy got it down over time imagine what the 4.5+ stars will do.

Unless we believe the Bearcat D was only good because Fickle was calling the shots and developing the LB's.

 

[T-Boone]

Well for the 5th time, fundamentals break down when playing faster than you're capable... or used to.

If a bunch of hand selected low 3*s (and lower) prospects at Cincy got it down over time imagine what the 4.5+ stars will do.

Unless we believe the Bearcat D was only good because Fickle was calling the shots and developing the LB's.

why didn't he bring Gardner with him?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Well for the 5th time, fundamentals break down when playing faster than you're capable... or used to.

If a bunch of hand selected low 3*s (and lower) prospects at Cincy got it down over time imagine what the 4.5+ stars will do.

Unless we believe the Bearcat D was only good because Fickle was calling the shots and developing the LB's.

I believe Fickell is the difference between elite and whatever the hell we have now (sucky).

 

[ulukinatme]

Well for the 5th time, fundamentals break down when playing faster than you're capable... or used to.

If a bunch of hand selected low 3*s (and lower) prospects at Cincy got it down over time imagine what the 4.5+ stars will do.

Unless we believe the Bearcat D was only good because Fickle was calling the shots and developing the LB's.

 

[BobbyMac]

Careful bringing this sound opinion in here cruz is on the war path and we need him for recruiting info and profiles.

Not on the warpath. Like Quin, I just think resumes say things will be better than the non-believers think.

And it's in a rebuild year to boot.

I ain't here to cause no trouble I just came to do the 2023 Natty Shuffle.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

Not on the warpath. Like Quin, I just think resumes say things will be better than the non-believers think.

And it's in a rebuild year to boot.

I ain't here to cause no trouble I just came to do the 2023 Natty Shuffle.

On an entirely seperate note the Virginia qb just told the trainer he has a broken rib. Now ie docs will that be enough to get the ncaa too shooting guard out for our game

 

[BobbyMac]

why didn't he bring Gardner with him?

Gardner didn't graduate, no way he could transfer in without being a GT.

There are also gentlemen's agreements about cherry picking players when coaches take new jobs. I'm sure it get's written into many contracts now a days.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Gardner didn't graduate, no way he could transfer in without being a GT.

There are also gentlemen's agreements about cherry picking players when coaches take new jobs. I'm sure it get's written into many contracts now a days.

If it's a gentleman's agreement, then it isn't written down lol

 

[tko]

Why do we consistently play a 3 man front when it leads to big gains? Also, are we the only team in CFB that has all their DLinemen standing up? WTF is that shit? Kelly looked like he was so agitated with Freemanvantenuta last night. Given the rash of injuries, don't you think simplifying the scheme could help everyone out? There's not a tackle in the country that can consistently hold up to Foskey's rush yet we use him in coverage. Kelly should strongly insert his input here unless he loves this debacle. If that's the case then shame on him.

 

[irishandy]

What do you people want/expect out of Freeman?

So much negativity for a 1 loss team....

 

[GoldenAura]

What do you people want/expect out of Freeman?

So much negativity for a 1 loss team....

A defense that can tackle seems like a nice place to start.

 

[irishandy]

A defense that can tackle seems like a nice place to start.

I can agree with that, but all of the other petty ass posts such as the BVG comparison...too many armchair QB's.

 

[NDFAN420]

What do you people want/expect out of Freeman?

4 years and a top 10 D by year 3 full of future NFL picks.

 

[Dale]

A defense that can tackle seems like a nice place to start.

ND misses less tackles than most of the country. I seriously question if y’all watch other games during the day whenever I see the tackling complaints. We’ve faced Air Raid offenses that prioritize getting the ball to playmakers in space the last two weeks. Two likely first round wide receivers. Our missed tackle #s are not bad at all. Breaking: college kids aren’t great at tackling, especially backups.

 

[irishandy]

4 years and a top 10 D by year 3 full of future NFL picks.

We are still in year 1.

Let's count together what comes after 1?

 

[irishandy]

ND misses less tackles than most of the country. I seriously question if y’all watch other games during the day whenever I see the tackling complaints. We’ve faced Air Raid offenses that prioritize getting the ball to playmakers in space the last two weeks. Two likely first round wide receivers. Our missed tackle #s are not bad at all. Breaking: college kids aren’t great at tackling, especially backups.

Great post. There is 1 great defense this year and that is Georgia.

I am not happy with the tackling, but all the negativity with a 1 loss team doesn't make sense to me.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

It’s not even about his guys. I’ll make a second version of my post past week. Lea didn’t give serious, tangible PT last year to Ramon Henderson, JD Bertrand, Isaiah Pryor, Cam Hart, or Jack Kiser. Bracy lost his job. DJ Brown and Houston Griffith were behind Shaun Crawford. Sure guys graduate, new guys come in but that’s a lot of guys on the field tonight that I’m not so sure Lea is hanging his hat on either.

Also I’ve posted it the world over, there is 110% a lack of talent on the defense it is shown in the recruiting rankings.

I find it humorous the degree by which Freeman apologists will find any excuse to rationalize his shortcomings. First, it was the cupboards were left empty and Freeman lacks the personnel. Then, we have some players but they are not Freeman's players. Freeman apparently teaches speed and the current personnel lacks the ability to play the speed that Freeman wants.!? Hence, the glaring fundamental breakdowns that has worsened as the year has gone by is due to players unable to play Freeman speed football. They are playing faster than they are capable against the murder's row of offenses that we have faced and that explains the breakdowns. Now the new excuse that Lea didn't play certain players and thereby imply didn't develop players is even more absurd. Good grief, please stick with the gibberish that is analytics.

 

[Dale]

I find it humorous the degree by which Freeman apologists will find any excuse to rationalize his shortcomings. First, it was the cupboards were left empty and Freeman lacks the personnel. Then, we have some players but they are not Freeman's players. Freeman apparently teaches speed and the current personnel lacks the ability to play the speed that Freeman wants.!? Hence, the glaring fundamental breakdowns that has worsened as the year has gone by is due to players unable to play Freeman speed football. They are playing faster than they are capable against the murder's row of offenses that we have faced and that explains the breakdowns. Now the new excuse that Lea didn't play certain players and thereby imply didn't develop players is even more absurd. Good grief, please stick with the gibberish that is analytics.

How has my stance been differed? I’ve made the above post multiple times, maybe even 3 at this point. The last Lea vs Freeman debate which may be in this thread I believe I said long term Freeman gives us a better chance versus Playoff type offenses than Lea even though Lea is better schematically while Freeman a better recruiter of the elite elite. Wasn’t really about 2021 at all. I’d love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts. I said when Freeman was HIRED and the parades had begun I’d caution downplaying how elite Lea’s Ds were and multiple times corrected what I believed were selling Lea short. I guess that’s a Freeman apologist thing to do, just say from Day 1 and keep saying Lea was a better coach, Freeman is a vastly better recruiter.

You also completely misinterpreted my point with that 2nd to last sentence

 

[BabyIrish]

Before yesterday’s game our defense ranks
14 by FEI
12 by F+

I get that our defense was outplayed yesterday, it was frustrating to watch. But we’re going way overboard on the Freeman sucks talk. It’s just not true up to this point.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

How has my stance been differed? I’ve made the above post multiple times, maybe even 3 at this point. The last Lea vs Freeman debate which may be in this thread I believe I said long term Freeman gives us a better chance versus Playoff type offenses than Lea even though Lea is better schematically while Freeman a better recruiter of the elite elite. Wasn’t really about 2021 at all. I’d love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts. I said when Freeman was HIRED and the parades had begun I’d caution downplaying how elite Lea’s Ds were and multiple times corrected what I believed were selling Lea short. I guess that’s a Freeman apologist thing to do, just say from Day 1 and keep saying Lea was a better coach, Freeman is a vastly better recruiter.

You also completely misinterpreted my point with that 2nd to last sentence

Your stance, Freeman is not the primary reason for the defense's poor play, has not differed. It is just wrong. Personnel has nothing to do with our struggles. How many more four-five star athletes do you think Freeman must field to coordinate a competent defense against the offenses we faced this year? Are you arguing that his coaching abilities are so inadequate that without an overwhelming talent advantage, his defenses will struggle. Against playoff teams, we will never have that type of advantage.

 

[Dale]

Your stance, Freeman is not the primary reason for the defense's poor play, has not differed. It is just wrong. Personnel has nothing to do with our struggles. How many more four-five star athletes do you think Freeman must field to coordinate a competent defense against the offenses we faced this year? Are you arguing that his coaching abilities are so inadequate that without an overwhelming talent advantage, his defenses will struggle. Against playoff teams, we will never have that type of advantage.

Ah so the defense isn’t even competent per you? Ha okay well this conversation isn’t going anywhere. I’ve invited you to cite or look up things in both our disagreements and you refuse to. Also all the above is wrong.

 

[ulukinatme]

550+ yards and 34 points is unacceptable. Bottom line. We weren't playing Alabama.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Ah so the defense isn’t even competent per you? Ha okay well this conversation isn’t going anywhere. I’ve invited you to cite or look up things in both our disagreements and you refuse to. Also all the above is wrong.

The defensive game plan and adjustments are not competent. Our talent advantage on defense has masked it.