Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[PutuporShutup]

Good lord. Yeah, because ND had all hands on deck...

How about you take your own advice.

You put up your garbage evidence.

Now it's time to read the latter half of your namesake.

I didn’t say anything about our team, it was that South Carolina was the worst bowl team we’ve faced due to half their starters being out.

 

[PutuporShutup]

“Kelly did not play a single team worse than South Carolina in any bowl game while at nd.”

And this is an objective statement?

The point was a follow-up to the above subjective statement with examples of teams that could be considered worse than an injury-riddled OSU.

Comment was made that Kelly probably loses to South Carolina, that’s laughable comment.

 

[TorontoGold]

I didn’t say anything about our team, it was that South Carolina was the worst bowl team we’ve faced due to half their starters being out.

...does Rutgers not exist in your timeline of events? How about a 7-5 Iowa State? 2010 Miami?

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[NDQuebec]

Did you miss the part in the very first sentence where I said "He doesn't take sole blame by any means, but he shares in some of the blame." I then go on to explain the reasoning.

No, I didn't miss that part at all, smartass. Did you miss the part where I said Kelly should not be blamed? That also includes any share of the blame. Zero, nada. Notre Dame had more than enough talent to beat those two teams with the players they had in place. Your reasoning makes no sense. How many losses this year will be Kelly's fault? I get it that many, including myself, didn't care for the guy, but placing any share of the blame on him for losing to Stanford and Marshall is just plain silly and you know it.

 

[forkbeard3777]

“Kelly did not play a single team worse than South Carolina in any bowl game while at nd.”

And this is an objective statement?

The point was a follow-up to the above subjective statement with examples of teams that could be considered worse than an injury-riddled OSU.

My post wasn’t directed towards you, and I never stated that all of ND’s bowl opponents under BK were better than South Carolina.

I just don’t see the point in comparing prior bowl opponents. No different than 2019 LSU vs 1995 Nebraska or 2001 Miami vs 2020 Alabama…other than killing time, what’s the point? No one is going to be persuaded or dissuaded one way or another.

 

[PutuporShutup]

...does Rutgers not exist in your timeline of events? How about a 7-5 Iowa State? 2010 Miami?

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Absolutely…. This is an 8-4 South Carolina team that was missing half of its starters and other key reserves…. Insane how depleted they were

They were only ok to begin with, and not a deep team

 

[PutuporShutup]

I doubt Kelly plays Buchner in that game. He likely would have went with the “safe” bet in Pyne, or he would have split the game reps. Of course, OSU was nowhere near full capacity, but what’s laughable is your continued reluctance to acknowledge that key players were missing from Notre Dame in that game also. That shit’s laughable, but nothing new based on how you argue points. You might want to talk down less and balance your shit out more.

Why do I have to acknowledge the nd players missing, when they obviously were? I made no comments about our team at the time, I again just stated South Carolina was the worst Bowl team we faced.

Pyne wasn’t with the program for the game. I think what you’re saying or maybe didn’t realize it is pyne is probably with the program and starting vs South Carolina if Kelly is coaxh. I agree with that , and I think we win by 20+ going away in that scenario. South Carolina was so bad due to so many players out.

Please tell me how my statement South Carolina was worse than any bowl team Kelly faced has anything to do with our players out of for the game? You’re manipulating and pivoting off my statement to fit your narrative.

 

[PutuporShutup]

My post wasn’t directed towards you, and I never stated that all of ND’s bowl opponents under BK were better than South Carolina.

I just don’t see the point in comparing prior bowl opponents. No different than 2019 LSU vs 1995 Nebraska or 2001 Miami vs 2020 Alabama…other than killing time, what’s the point? No one is going to be persuaded or dissuaded one way or another.

I agree with this, I just don’t think people want to admit how depleted and bad South Carolina was in that game. If it wasn’t for having rattler they probably would or could have been the worst bowl team that played in all the bowls last year. We played so bad and were so undisciplined and still won giving them 2 pick 6s and a fake fg td.

 

[pumpdog20]

BK lost to Navy and Tulsa (and went 8-5) in his first season at ND with similar talent and an easier schedule. That is also after many years as a head coach.

While losing to Marshall and Stanford sucked, MF did an admirable job in his first year ever as a HC.

People like MF because he embraces ND, so yeah he's going to get more rope naturally. I like where he is trending.

 

[PutuporShutup]

BK lost to Navy and Tulsa (and went 8-5) in his first season at ND with similar talent and an easier schedule. That is also after many years as a head coach.

While losing to Marshall and Stanford sucked, MF did an admirable job in his first year ever as a HC.

People like MF because he embraces ND, so yeah he's going to get more rope naturally. I like where he is trending.

I think the difference was Kelly inherited a culture of losing and poor performances vs expectations. Freeman inherited a great culture and program of winning, just not championships. They walked in the door on two completely different situations. 6-6 vs 11-1. One coach improved the team one, saw a decline.

With that said, I fully expect nd and freeman to have a great year, anything less than being in the cfp race come November at Clemson will be disappointing. That would mean at worst a one loss team going into the game.

 

[PutuporShutup]

You’re right. I do need to brush up on my reading comprehension of dumb shit repetitive soft-argument trolling. There’s about three or four of you on the board who have been helping my growth in this area. Thanks for the help.

If you can’t take the heat of differing opinions…. Stay in the den and stay out of the kitchen.

I’m not trolling, you just can’t handle someone that’s not giddy over what freeman had or hasn’t done so far.

I’ll say it for 1000th time, getting Hartman was his best move to date, amazing, and I expect him and the team to have a great year and springboard the program.

 

[pumpdog20]

I think the difference was Kelly inherited a culture of losing and poor performances vs expectations. Freeman inherited a great culture and program of winning, just not championships. They walked in the door on two completely different situations. 6-6 vs 11-1. One coach improved the team one, saw a decline.

With that said, I fully expect nd and freeman to have a great year, anything less than being in the cfp race come November at Clemson will be disappointing. That would mean at worst a one loss team going into the game.

Can't argue that the culture kinda sucked prior to BK, but I'd say experience vs winning culture evens each other out when the talent is even.
We can't also forget, BK had a lifetime of experience and resources to build a staff he liked. MF (with a much smaller roledex) had to patch a staff on the fly, not only because he's young but because of the late defections too.

They both had shitty losses and ended with semi similar records, but MF had the much better win. After the eagles and 2016 fiascos, BK did a good job building a foundation for someone who's hungrier to potentially make ND a top 5 program. BK is in a good place for him in that he is a good coach, and players can come to him. He's probably earned the right not to want to work as hard as it takes at ND.

ND unfortunately needs someone who is a good coach, but also willing to grind. That grind involves football and recruiting, but also making ND look cool to a younger generation. MF is doing his best at least, I can respect that. And I'm confident he can only get better as a coach.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Can't argue that the culture kinda sucked prior to BK, but I'd say experience vs winning culture evens each other out when the talent is even.
We can't also forget, BK had a lifetime of experience and resources to build a staff he liked. MF (with a much smaller roledex) had to patch a staff on the fly, not only because he's young but because of the late defections too.

They both had shitty losses and ended with semi similar records, but MF had the much better win. After the eagles and 2016 fiascos, BK did a good job building a foundation for someone who's hungrier to potentially make ND a top 5 program. BK is in a good place for him in that he is a good coach, and players can come to him. He's probably earned the right not to want to work as hard as it takes at ND.

ND unfortunately needs someone who is a good coach, but also willing to grind. That grind involves football and recruiting, but also making ND look cool to a younger generation. MF is doing his best at least, I can respect that. And I'm confident he can only get better as a coach.

Agree… his coaching and the overall teams coaching needs to improve and happen this year. We could have a really really good team, and we have a fun schedule other than bye weeks set up. We play 3 monster games and 2 of those 3 we will have the better qb going against an inexperienced qb, that hasn’t happened in big games much with nd. We get usc and Caleb at home too.

 

[ACamp1900]

This guy has max fit no matter what. He could be wearing rags and he'd still look like $1 million.

Imagine having the ability to make that uniform look good,………..

 

[TorontoGold]

Absolutely…. This is an 8-4 South Carolina team that was missing half of its starters and other key reserves…. Insane how depleted they were

They were only ok to begin with, and not a deep team

Brother, you're shadow boxing the voices in the walls every other day with the same "BK is a proven commodity, Freeman needs to prove it on the field" now adding in the "original points" that are demonstrably false is at least giving some flair but my goodness can't you just copy and paste the previous 10000 posts?

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[forkbeard3777]

You’re on a football message board. (1) This is all entirely killing time. (2) Anything posted is pretty much addressed to everyone. (3) Balki was responding to the quote I cited in my response to you.

Whatever you say.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I also view it as pointless, but don't accept the statement that ND lost to Stanford and Marshall because of Kelly. That is what irks me the most. Ask any reporter on this site or any coach in the NCAA if it was Kelly's fault. And a few posts above, someone had the gall to imply that our talent was not significantly better than Stanford's. That is pure folly.

All that to say that I agree that things cut both ways. What I strongly disagree with is blaming Kelly for the losses to Marshall and Stanford.

As to what Kelly did at LSU, I really can't be bothered. But since you waded into the debate, I should mention that you omitted to mention that they beat Alabama and that they at least beat the other three teams you mentioned. I am quite sure that those teams are better than Stanford and Marshall. I really like Freeman, but it's ok to say that he screwed the pooch a few times last year because of growing pains. I am sure that he would be the first to admit it. No matter who the team is, 99% of first year head coaches will have a few whoopsies.

Just to clarify my comments, I wasn't blaming Kelly for Stanford and missed the post that did.

My response had more to do with the "well, Freeman MAY HAVE won 9 games last year, but two of those were one score games and the UNC game (despite being a 13 point win on the road) falls into the 'close win' category because we added some garbage time TDs, Pyne was really good that day, and UNC's defense stinks." (I'm summarizing, obviously).

I was responding to that aspect to point out that 1) Kelly won close games this year at LSU, too (and should get credit for that!) and 2) the UNC point equally applies to the UF win (although the point is a very bad one!).

That's all.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Brother, you're shadow boxing the voices in the walls every other day with the same "BK is a proven commodity, Freeman needs to prove it on the field" now adding in the "original points" that are demonstrably false is at least giving some flair but my goodness can't you just copy and paste the previous 10000 posts?

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Funny thing is I have never liked Kelly for the reasons freeman is so different, but i do like facts.

I wanted him gone like many after 16, glad he was forced to make major changes.

I’m not overly high on freeman’s Xs and Os and development abilities, but I think he’s amazing at everything else that’s needed from a HC.

We are a really talented team this year. What position groups would you change place with another team on our schedule? I ask this because our team should be really good. Caleb Williams at qb, Ohio state wrs, maybe lbs from a few teams. I think we have 2nd best qb on schedule, wouldn’t trade estime for anyone. Top oline, great corners, could have really good 2 starters at safety, deep talented dline only lacking NT type. I really like our dline two deep if they continue developing. Wrs could explode this year along with a te like staes. Oline has 2 first round tackles, experienced center and some inexperienced talent at guards. Again, I say this because a really good team has been formed, now they need to develop and play really well. On paper I think this is the most well rounded team we’ve had in awhile.

 

[Katzenboyer]

— Auburn is always an extremely difficult place to play and is a rivalry. They weren’t good for their standards, sure.

— Supposedly, Jayden Daniels had the flu. But, I agree, we were awful and fortunate to win that one. For whatever reason, LSU struggles with Arkansas. They always have. Arkansas treats it as their Super Bowl, and LSU (players and fans) are largely disinterested. Playing it late in the year never helps either. I hate that game.

— Winning at Florida by double digits is never a “bad win.”

— A&M has talent. We all know that. They are poorly coached. I (choking down vomit) think they’ll be much improved this year with the addition of Petrino.

See Post 1596.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Funny thing is I have never liked Kelly for the reasons freeman is so different, but i do like facts.

I wanted him gone like many after 16, glad he was forced to make major changes.

I’m not overly high on freeman’s Xs and Os and development abilities, but I think he’s amazing at everything else that’s needed from a HC.

We are a really talented team this year. What position groups would you change place with another team on our schedule? I ask this because our team should be really good. Caleb Williams at qb, Ohio state wrs, maybe lbs from a few teams. I think we have 2nd best qb on schedule, wouldn’t trade estime for anyone. Top oline, great corners, could have really good 2 starters at safety, deep talented dline only lacking NT type. I really like our dline two deep if they continue developing. Wrs could explode this year along with a te like staes. Oline has 2 first round tackles, experienced center and some inexperienced talent at guards. Again, I say this because a really good team has been formed, now they need to develop and play really well. On paper I think this is the most well rounded team we’ve had in awhile.

Not to be an ass, but that sounds like Ed Orgeron or Les Miles.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Not to be an ass, but that sounds like Ed Orgeron or Les Miles.

They both have titles, freeman isn’t sleezy

 

[forkbeard3777]

They both have titles, freeman isn’t sleezy

Sure. At least, that we know of…

Paterno, that f’ing fraud, POS that I hope is rotting, was always thought of and held himself out to be as a “classy”, strait laced coach.

 

[ulukinatme]

No, I didn't miss that part at all, smartass. Did you miss the part where I said Kelly should not be blamed? That also includes any share of the blame. Zero, nada. Notre Dame had more than enough talent to beat those two teams with the players they had in place. Your reasoning makes no sense. How many losses this year will be Kelly's fault? I get it that many, including myself, didn't care for the guy, but placing any share of the blame on him for losing to Stanford and Marshall is just plain silly and you know it.

Go ahead and look at those '19 and '20 classes that Long and BK put together offensively, especially the skill positions. Those would have been our Juniors and Seniors last year, the backbone of most good teams. Good teams that have recruited well don't have underclassmen starting at 6-7 positions on one side of the ball, maybe 1-2 if they're exceptional talent. Young players make mistakes. Go check out those classes and then come back and show me all the world beaters Long and BK had for us last season, I'll wait.

 

[NDQuebec]

Go ahead and look at those '19 and '20 classes that Long and BK put together offensively, especially the skill positions. Those would have been our Juniors and Seniors last year, the backbone of most good teams. Good teams that have recruited well don't have underclassmen starting at 6-7 positions on one side of the ball, maybe 1-2 if they're exceptional talent. Young players make mistakes. Go check out those classes and then come back and show me all the world beaters Long and BK had for us last season, I'll wait.

Beats me why you change the subject. I responded to your post blaming Kelly for the Stanford and Marshall losses. Notre Dame had better talent, by far, in both of those games. Kelly had absolutely nothing to do with those losses. Zero, zilch, nada.

iaintlukinatunomo.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Beats me why you change the subject. I responded to your post blaming Kelly for the Stanford and Marshall losses. Notre Dame had better talent, by far, in both of those games. Kelly had absolutely nothing to do with those losses. Zero, zilch, nada.

iaintlukinatunomo.

Kelly/Long recruiting poorly in the '19 and '20 classes offensively had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with putting up 14 points and averaging less than 5 yards per play against Stanford?

Wrap your head around that one...

ND has consistently had poor outings under Kelly. The difference is that ND has generally had enough talent in the final few Kelly years to get them out of those slogs.

2018: Ball State (24-16), Vanderbilt (22-17), Pitt (19-14)
2019: Virginia Tech (21-20)
2020: Duke (27-13), Louisville (12-7)
2021: Florida State (41-38 OT), Toledo (32-29), Virginia Tech (32-29)

ND consistently had enough skill talent to get them past those teams. But that wasn't the case last season. QB play was far worse than it had been in years. Even with Wimbush, we at least had his dynamic running ability to fall back on in 2017.

Pyne had his solid moments, but when he was bad, he was BAD. And the only real bail-out he had was tossing it up to Mayer.

It's not just about having more talent than your opponent. It's having enough talent and enough difference makers to get your team through poor performances. Every team has them. Even Georgia last year, as dominant as they were, needed just enough from their top guys to squeak by a bad Missouri team.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

 

[Crazy Balki]

Welcome to the Offseason

 

[INLaw]

I would love to have more frequent and in depth conversations on recruiting, roster, or schemes but this topic does not hold mu intetest

 

[anarin]

This board is getting borderline hard to read lately. Between the dudes that makes 100 accounts, and these dudes that shit on every non 5 star recruit, shit on freeman, blow Kelly, analyze the latest shit Swarbrick took, and make sure he did it wrong.

It's like, I wonder if these dudes argue with themselves in the mirror daily, or they're just cucks that self loathe. Who knows? 🤷‍♂️

 

[Crazy Balki]

This board is getting borderline hard to read lately. Between the dudes that makes 100 accounts, and these dudes that shit on every non 5 star recruit, shit on freeman, blow Kelly, analyze the latest shit Swarbrick took, and make sure he did it wrong.

It's like, I wonder if these dudes argue with themselves in the mirror daily, or they're just cucks that self loathe. Who knows? 🤷‍♂️

Dunno.

A part of me hates feeding into their stupid arguments, but the offseason is a bitch. There's really not much else to talk about.