JUCOs

[Bubba]

Could somebody explain the process to me? I guess I don't understand why we wouldn't accept JUCO transfers. If they have proven that they can be successful in class in another environment, why wouldn't we give those student athletes an opportunity to continue improving themselves at ND? I'm not saying that we should just accept any student athlete; but I do wonder why it's not an option for some kids that have worked their butts off to become eligible.

We do send some of our student athlete who are struggling to Holy Cross for an opportunity to bring their grades up, right? What's the difference?

Also, I know a person who was turned down for admission to ND, but was accepted to the Air Force Academy. (not an athlete) A year later ND contacted him to see if he wanted to transfer. I'm aware that the AFA is not a junior college, but why would he have the opportunity to transfer to ND if athletes aren't given the chance?

Can anyone provide some insight as to why we don't accept JUCOs?

 

[phork]

Depending who you ask, they are all thugs apparently...

 

[ARALOU]

I dont believe they are thugs. I never understood the practice of not admitting them if they meet some sort of academic standard.

 

[WaveDomer]

With rising tuition this is going to be more common among regular students. I know a guy who went to community college for 2 years and then graduated from UCLA after 2 years there. He saved a ton of dough and is still a graduate from a great school. I know this isn't a sports example, I just think it's going to become more commonplace.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

To me, the issue of the JUCO situation is one of the biggest limiting factors last year and this year especially with our offensive line woes. Best way to patch up a depleted team is with JUCO players. If we had been able to bring in 4 or 5 solid offensive and/or defensive line players alone from the Junior College ranks, we aren't even having these discussions and we are possibly sitting at 9-3 right now. Also, in reference to the incoming recruiting class, we don't yet have a true offensive tackle. If that is the case at other schools, you start combing the JUCO ranks and, voila!, you have yourself a tackle. No waiting until next year's class.

The other limiting factor in terms of recruiting is the policy with not automatically granting redshirt status. Mark Tyler last night was listed as a freshman. At ND he would be a sophmore and then he would have to petition for the fifth year after he graduates in four. Players don't get five years to graduate and they realize they don't have much wiggle room when it comes to academics. You acutally have to graduate in four if you want to play a fifth.

I am not saying these standards should or shouldn't be overturned. It is a factor both in terms of where we are and where we are going.

 

[ACamp1900]

I dont believe they are thugs. I never understood the practice of not admitting them if they meet some sort of academic standard.

I have always agreed... I stand by not letting down academic standards but if a kid goes to a JUCO for a year and carries a 4.0 and is legit on the field then why not give him a long look....

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

JUCO means that a kid goes to another school for a couple years and then transfers in. That implicitly means the school they went to for 2 years was an academic equivalent to ND (if ND is to accept those credits).

It does not mean the kid is bad or a thug by any means. I would guess that most of the kids who go the JUCO route are good kids trying hard to succeed.

That does not mean their credits should transfer and thus the crux of the problem.

 

[phgreek]

Could somebody explain the process to me? I guess I don't understand why we wouldn't accept JUCO transfers. If they have proven that they can be successful in class in another environment, why wouldn't we give those student athletes an opportunity to continue improving themselves at ND? I'm not saying that we should just accept any student athlete; but I do wonder why it's not an option for some kids that have worked their butts off to become eligible.

We do send some of our student athlete who are struggling to Holy Cross for an opportunity to bring their grades up, right? What's the difference?

Also, I know a person who was turned down for admission to ND, but was accepted to the Air Force Academy. (not an athlete) A year later ND contacted him to see if he wanted to transfer. I'm aware that the AFA is not a junior college, but why would he have the opportunity to transfer to ND if athletes aren't given the chance?

Can anyone provide some insight as to why we don't accept JUCOs?

Who knows...fear of the "slippery slope" maybe...e.g. if I start, people can always maipulate the requirements...and impact standards.

The admission/transfer thing always bugged me...I love standards, but I wish all schools would spend less time measuring someone's capability/worthiness BEFORE they get them...yea you gotta select folks, but geez...

Anyway...good post...

 

[ACamp1900]

JUCO means that a kid goes to another school for a couple years and then transfers in. That implicitly means the school they went to for 2 years was an academic equivalent to ND (if ND is to accept those credits).

It does not mean the kid is bad or a thug by any means. I would guess that most of the kids who go the JUCO route are good kids trying hard to succeed.

That does not mean their credits should transfer and thus the crux of the problem.

but I still dont understand if a kid can get in out of HS with a hypothetical of 3.35 then why not a 3.8 or above for JUCO transfers??? To me something along those lines solves that problem... oh well

 

[ARALOU]

Just imagine a kid busted his ass all his life to get in at ND. Could not get accepted academically. Then somehow somewhere winds up playing against them. Talk about motivation to whip ass. JUCOs should have some sort of admittance standard. Especially if ND takes them on academics alone. (not athletics) Do they take transfers otherwise?

 

[ACamp1900]

Just imagine a kid busted his ass all his life to get in at ND. Could not get accepted academically. Then somehow somewhere winds up playing against them. Talk about motivation to whip ass. JUCOs should have some sort of admittance standard. Especially if ND takes them on academics alone. (not athletics) Do they take transfers otherwise?

Yes they take them under non athletic standards... IrishRamMan10 is at Holy Cross right now trying to transfer in

 

[Bubba]

Just imagine a kid busted his ass all his life to get in at ND. Could not get accepted academically. Then somehow somewhere winds up playing against them. Talk about motivation to whip ass. JUCOs should have some sort of admittance standard. Especially if ND takes them on academics alone. (not athletics) Do they take transfers otherwise?

Well, if the Rudy movie was an accurate depiction....he went to Holy Cross to become eligible to attend ND. And, like I mentioned in my first post, I know of at least one person who was offered the opportunity to transfer from the AFA to ND after his first year. (He wasn't an athlete)

 

[ARALOU]

Thats what I thought. Even Vandy had Aquinas JC. That almost seems unfair to the student -athlete that might eventually qualify. For no other reason but to get a degree from Notre Dame. And play a little football maybe to get a year of tuition paid.

 

[realitycheck]

The way people on ND boards talk about JUCO players, one would think there is a Longest Yard type team of thugs who could instantly step in and take a program to BCS level. It simply doesn't work like that. For every Cody (Bama DT) there are 20 guys who don't make much of an impact.

 

[ACamp1900]

agreed, nut getting one more legit players every other year or so would help tons... espec in the trenches where ND has struggled to find answers in recruiting

 

[ARALOU]

True but I guess you shop all across the country if you are an Alabama or similar school. Network is probably a key word. Blue chip jucos are probably well known.
Hell, I really have no clue how that shit works I dont even know why I commented on it.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The way people on ND boards talk about JUCO players, one would think there is a Longest Yard type team of thugs who could instantly step in and take a program to BCS level. It simply doesn't work like that. For every Cody (Bama DT) there are 20 guys who don't make much of an impact.

True...which is why Urban had 35 JUCOs at Utah when he was coach (yeah, he recruited them all).

Think about that...35 out of 85 available scholarships.

Mother of God...he practically drafted that team.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

but I still dont understand if a kid can get in out of HS with a hypothetical of 3.35 then why not a 3.8 or above for JUCO transfers??? To me something along those lines solves that problem... oh well

But yet again, you are transfering credits from a JUCO to an elite/top-ranked private school.