Jan 20 | National Championship

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NDVirginia19 said:
*puts on tinfoil hat*
SEC refs are actually good news for us. If there were to be some questionable officiating stemming from unconcious or concious bias from the officials, the SEC certainly would not want back to back B1G national champions. Then there's the narrative that the team that won the CFP was the team that was only able to beat the SEC champion because their starting QB was out.
*takes off tinfoil hat*
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SEC = Protestant country though
 
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MPClinton22 said:
My only thought is that this is a random Monday in Atlanta vs that being a Monday in Miami in early January (I was at ND at the time and it was still our winter break) - more reasonable to make a trip out of that trip than this? But I know that's probably just wishful thinking.

I'm thinking of driving from CT so I'm right there with ya
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Yeah, in 2012 we kind of made a mini-vacation of it. Rented a house in Ft Lauderdale and hung out/partied for several days. Was a blast until kickoff.

This would be much more of a business trip. Though being off work for MLK Day helps a little.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
Viewership for the two semi-final games was down despite all of the excitement overall for the playoffs and despite matchups featuring blue bloods with huge fan bases.

The obvious reason was due to putting these games on Thursday and Friday to avoid Saturday's NFL playoff action.

Just another reason to set the number of playoff teams at 8. Semi-finals could've occurred a week ago Saturday. Two weeks of rest for the winners before playing the Championship.
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There's two basic motivating impulses for a playoff:

1) you want to know who was the best team in a given year, based primarily on the results of the regular season, and the playoff adds a final data point to fill in gaps and/or otherwise generally inform those results.
2) your primary interest is in having a big, exciting championship tournament with wide representation by regular season participants. The regular season primarily serves to inform the fairness of entry and seeding to that tournament.

For #1 the participant list essentially marks who does and who doesn't have a reasonable claim to be the best team in the country based on the regular season. If we don't need any more information to determine that you were not the best team in the country this year, you're out. Model #2 doesn't really care about that. College football has always been historically aligned with #1 even in the absence of a tourney, and this differentiated it from every other major sport. We're now leaning hard into #2, and I guess philosophically I hate it. If CFB was good, it was in large part due to the ways in which it was different.

Eight teams would be better than twelve, but it never should have gotten past six, imo.
 
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MPClinton22 said:
My only thought is that this is a random Monday in Atlanta vs that being a Monday in Miami in early January (I was at ND at the time and it was still our winter break) - more reasonable to make a trip out of that trip than this? But I know that's probably just wishful thinking.

I'm thinking of driving from CT so I'm right there with ya
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Do it. We're driving from Dallas area.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Yeah which is one of the reasons i'm saying it, not defending ND. I just feel like the refs across the board are swallowing their whistle there.
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NDFAN2008 just wants to rip on ND whenever he has a chance. Texas defenders were getting held like crazy, Ohio St. defenders were getting held, etc. The refs are letting players play for the most part.
 
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I know we have heard of and seen 3RB, or 3TE sets before. Now how about this... follow along with me....

MFD should draw up a couple 3QB sets against pOSU.

Leonard --- Steve A --- TB26

You have all the options, and at worst, we get Day to burn a time out or 2.
 
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StPaul_Irish said:
I know we have heard of and seen 3RB, or 3TE sets before. Now how about this... follow along with me....

MFD should draw up a couple 3QB sets against pOSU.

Leonard --- Steve A --- TB26

You have all the options, and at worst, we get Day to burn a time out or 2.
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Steve A. - QB
Riley - FB or RB
TB26 - RB or WR

Provocative
 
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dankgesang said:
There's two basic motivating impulses for a playoff:

1) you want to know who was the best team in a given year, based primarily on the results of the regular season, and the playoff adds a final data point to fill in gaps and/or otherwise generally inform those results.
2) your primary interest is in having a big, exciting championship tournament with wide representation by regular season participants. The regular season primarily serves to inform the fairness of entry and seeding to that tournament.

For #1 the participant list essentially marks who does and who doesn't have a reasonable claim to be the best team in the country based on the regular season. If we don't need any more information to determine that you were not the best team in the country this year, you're out. Model #2 doesn't really care about that. College football has always been historically aligned with #1 even in the absence of a tourney, and this differentiated it from every other major sport. We're now leaning hard into #2, and I guess philosophically I hate it. If CFB was good, it was in large part due to the ways in which it was different.

Eight teams would be better than twelve, but it never should have gotten past six, imo.
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FWIW, the solid favorites to win the national championship would not have made a six-team tourney. Often, especially in the pre-CFP era, the national champion was not the "best team," it was just the team with the fewest losses.

I'd argue there's a third impulse, which is to fuel broader interest in the closing weeks of the regular season. On the morning of Nov. 23, when most teams had played 10 games, there were probably 20 teams with legitimate shots to make the tournament. There was a ton of meaningful football played in those last three weeks, and a lot more fans having a lot more fun than the old system whereby most of those teams were playing out the string on seasons that had effectively ended with their second loss, with nothing to look forward to but a bowl game everyone tells them is "meaningless." Instead you get crazy stuff like #21-ranked Arizona State going on a tear that almost leads to them knocking off Texas.

This season is the most fun college football has been in a long time, and while NIL/transfer parity is part of that, the 12-team playoff is a big part of it too.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Play them on Saturday afternoon and night. Saturdays are for college football. Everyone knows this. Fuck the NFL and its boring over-hyped nonsense. Let them move for once.
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An avg of 38.5 million people watched each NFL wildcard game this weekend.

If they're lucky, 30 million will watch the CFP National Championship.

The CFP games belong on a Saturday, but they'd get curbstomped in the ratings if they played h2h vs the NFL.
 
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Te'o4Heisman said:
We are heading to Atlanta without tickets and whatever they are a few hours before gametime, we'll already be pot committed. Here's top hope they drop as I hope they will.
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I wouldn't have a problem doing this, but there's no way I could convince the wife.
 
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Going to be the same SEC refs that did the Fiesta bowl for Penn State and Boise not sure if this is good news. Penn State was called for 10 Penalties 98 yards total Boise was called for 13 Penalties for 90 yards. Granted majority of Boise's were false starts.
 
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Irish#1 said:
I can't imagine OSU getting motivation from a guy that hasn't played at ND since 2017 and didn't even finish his career here.
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I mean you're also talking about a guy who more than likely used some comments made by an 88 year old man as motivation.
 
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