It seems when opposing coaches have a month to prepare, ND is toast

Sea Turtle · Dec 31, 2018

You look at the last 6 ghastly performances ND has delivered in the big bowls, where they played very talented teams, the opposing coaches had their teams prepared. Ours was not

But when we play these teams, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Oklahoma, during the regular season, we can hang with them.

Are our coaches simply subpar when dealing with weeks to prepare compared to the coaches of these football factories?

Pops Freshenmeyer · Dec 31, 2018

Like LSU and Michigan?

Luckylucci · Dec 31, 2018

Worst part about this loss is the insane overreactions from fans that need to continuously post about the next “clever” thing they’re upset about. Program overhaul after that game, which is the reaction a lot are having means a complete lack of understanding. Of all sites, read ISD’s writeups. Very thoughtful. Not fan reactions to, holy shit we have no talent and our coaches suck, lol.

Sea Turtle · Dec 31, 2018

Luckylucci said:
Worst part about this loss is the insane overreactions from fans that need to continuously post about the next “clever” thing they’re upset about. Program overhaul after that game, which is the reaction a lot are having means a complete lack of understanding. Of all sites, read ISD’s writeups. Very thoughtful. Not fan reactions to, holy shit we have no talent and our coaches suck, lol.

I don't know if our coaches suck, I just know they suck in the big bowls. Bo's Michigan teams weren't this bad in big bowls.

I also know they come out nervous and scared, then panic when things go bad, then the coaches and team just give up. Kelly's demeanor on the sidelines from the second quarter on was terrible. He looked like he had just seen someone run over his dog.

Circa · Dec 31, 2018

Sea Turtle said:
You look at the last 6 ghastly performances ND has delivered in the big bowls, where they played very talented teams, the opposing coaches had their teams prepared. Ours was not

But when we play these teams, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Oklahoma, during the regular season, we can hang with them.

Are our coaches simply subpar when dealing with weeks to prepare compared to the coaches of these football factories?

Hey buddy, Life goes on.
As we all get older as fans we all question things that seem out of our control. I literally woke up yesterday with a cold that is kicking my ass at the moment, but It's me. It's not Brian Kelly that decided to give it to me...
If ya want attention and want to be the first one to be read, Think about all of us that have been waiting 30 years, and are still willing to wait another 30 years to do It right.
If we had 3 players caught, and told they are suspended doing the "new" steroid, would us winning be the highlight?
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Sea Turtle · Dec 31, 2018

Circa said:
Hey buddy, Life goes on.
As we all get older as fans we all question things that seem out of our control. I literally woke up yesterday with a cold that is kicking my ass at the moment, but It's me. It's not Brian Kelly that decided to give it to me...
If ya want attention and want to be the first one to be read, Think about all of us that have been waiting 30 years, and are still willing to wait another 30 years to do It right.
If we had 3 players caught and told they are suspended doing the "new" steroid, would us winning be the highlight?
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What are you talking about 'first one to be read and attention'? It's 8:30 at night and this is my first post of the day.

Circa · Dec 31, 2018

Sea Turtle said:
What are you talking about 'first one to be read and attention'? It's 8:30 at night and this is my first post of the day.

Irish#1 · Dec 31, 2018

Luckylucci said:
Worst part about this loss is the insane overreactions from fans that need to continuously post about the next “clever” thing they’re upset about. Program overhaul after that game, which is the reaction a lot are having means a complete lack of understanding. Of all sites, read ISD’s writeups. Very thoughtful. Not fan reactions to, holy shit we have no talent and our coaches suck, lol.

We have talent, just not on par man for man with Clemson. I would have liked to see a couple of new wrinkles to get Clemson guessing a little. After the first run, come out under center and run iso with a FB lead, just to get them thinking and hesitating a little. Maybe a screen to offset their pressure. No major changes, just a few things to keep them from settling in and getting comfortable.

BTW.....Long has been great with second half changes, but there wasn't much there.

Jerry · Dec 31, 2018

If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

Sea Turtle · Dec 31, 2018

Jerry said:
If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

I hope you're right. That seems like a double fix. ND should be able to land stud QB's you would think.

Jerry · Dec 31, 2018

Sea Turtle said:
I hope you're right. That seems like a double fix. ND should be able to land stud QB's you would think.

They seem to but then they never develop them. I thought Kelly had bad luck for years but now it seems more likely that he can’t develop a solid QB prospect. Or he’s had 9 years of bad luck with QB’s??

Luckylucci · Dec 31, 2018

Jerry said:
If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

Exactly, it was very apparent. At least for that day.

Irishize · Jan 1, 2019

Jerry said:
If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

No, then you’d just have USC. They have a 5-star QB but b/c they’ve struggled recruiting OL, he’s not able to get adequate protection or run suppport for his passing prowess. ND’s OL isn’t as bad as SC’s OL but you get the idea.

I think all these post-game threads should be revisited next season when all fans have had a chance to think more rationally about why or why not ND got outclassed again on the big stage. It’s not just one thing

Bluto · Jan 1, 2019

Jerry said:
They seem to but then they never develop them. I thought Kelly had bad luck for years but now it seems more likely that he can’t develop a solid QB prospect. Or he’s had 9 years of bad luck with QB’s??

QB’s a program can ride to the playoffs seem to be few and far between. Oaklahoma’s been pretty lucky in that regard in that the last two stud QB’s they had were a former walk on who transfered in and a future baseball player that transferred in as well.

About the only team I’ve seen in recent memory that has won consistently with mediocre/game manager type QB play is Bama. Not serving that up as an excuse but that seems to be a big piece of the puzzle Kelly hasn’t found/figured out.

snoopdog · Jan 1, 2019

Jerry said:
If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

Exactly. Both Tua and Murray were no. 1 dual threat qb for their draft year and Lawerence was no.1 overall.

NDRock · Jan 1, 2019

Jerry said:
If there is a gap in talent, it’s at the QB position. Take any one of the other 3 playoff teams QB’s and plug them in on this team and you have a legit NC contender.

Maybe Tua or Marray. Don't think Lawrence would make that much of a difference as he's still throwing to our WRs and TEs. Offensive game breakers regardless of position is where we were lacking this year. Had the defense to compete.

Jerry · Jan 1, 2019

Irishize said:
No, then you’d just have USC. They have a 5-star QB but b/c they’ve struggled recruiting OL, he’s not able to get adequate protection or run suppport for his passing prowess. ND’s OL isn’t as bad as SC’s OL but you get the idea.

I think all these post-game threads should be revisited next season when all fans have had a chance to think more rationally about why or why not ND got outclassed again on the big stage. It’s not just one thing

So if we start thinking more rationally we’ll feel that the whole program is garbage with no talent?

I understand that you are talking about the OL specifically but good QB’s make average lines look better. And vice versa. It’s not like Clemson was worried at all whatsoever about Book beating them with his arm. So you stop the run and send tons of pressure, force a mediocre QB to beat you. Pretty simple game plan when you are going against an avg QB.

ACamp1900 · Jan 1, 2019

Luckylucci said:
Worst part about this loss is the insane overreactions from fans that need to continuously post about the next “clever” thing they’re upset about. Program overhaul after that game, which is the reaction a lot are having means a complete lack of understanding. Of all sites, read ISD’s writeups. Very thoughtful. Not fan reactions to, holy shit we have no talent and our coaches suck, lol.

Notre Dame is the reason appeasement didn’t work,...

Jerry · Jan 1, 2019

Bluto said:
QB’s a program can ride to the playoffs seem to be few and far between. Oaklahoma’s been pretty lucky in that regard in that the last two stud QB’s they had were a former walk on who transfered in and a future baseball player that transferred in as well.

About the only team I’ve seen in recent memory that has won consistently with mediocre/game manager type QB play is Bama. Not serving that up as an excuse but that seems to be a big piece of the puzzle Kelly hasn’t found/figured out.

It’s just that Kelly is going into year 10 why can’t we get lucky and land a Mayfield/Murray type player or more likely actually develop one of these Golsen/Kizer/Wimbush guys who never really pans out.

I’ve felt the same way about Bama for years. They are the only team stacked enough to compete for an NC without amazing QB play. I mean does Clemson make the title game twice and win a NC without Watson.

NDdomer2 · Jan 1, 2019

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nd_fan · Jan 1, 2019

Btw does anyone know how to get rid of that word "Freshmen" under my user name?

Can I edit it to say what I want?

bkess8 · Jan 1, 2019

nd_fan said:
Btw does anyone know how to get rid of that word "Freshmen" under my user name?

Can I edit it to say what I want?

No you have to stay a freshman until 1000 posts... JK click the user CP up above.

IrishLion · Jan 1, 2019

Oh good, another stream-of-consciousness thread from Sea Turtle/Irishpat83

Sea Turtle · Jan 1, 2019

Jerry said:
They seem to but then they never develop them. I thought Kelly had bad luck for years but now it seems more likely that he can’t develop a solid QB prospect. Or he’s had 9 years of bad luck with QB’s??

Starting to think Kelly is our Bo.

'we never win big bowl games'

On second thought, nah. Nobody team could lose THAT many big bowls.

nd_fan · Jan 1, 2019

bkess8 said:
No you have to stay a freshman until 1000 posts... JK click the user CP up above.

Don’t see any options to change it in my user cp

bkess8 · Jan 2, 2019

nd_fan said:
Don’t see any options to change it in my user cp

Sorry it's in the vbPlaza under user title options.

BGIF · Jan 2, 2019

nd_fan said:
Don’t see any options to change it in my user cp

bkess8 said:
Sorry it's in the vbPlaza under user title options.

Go to vbPlaza in the Gold Banner above this thread.

Click and scroll down to 5 "Change User Title"

Pay the fee and change your User Title to something appropriate, such as Red-shirt Freshman.

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