Is ABC/ESPN Corrrupt????? Some examples

[leppycole]

Just starting to build a case and all of the sudden Gameday pushes me over the edge:

Let me help you understand: Some people cannot understand why the BCS computers differ from the other polls

Reason why?

There are no alumni influencing the computers who work at ESPN/ABC. How does Ohio state get all the hype, three game days, and a full load of "Troy smith can walk on water"? - easy - - just check out which conference has a contract with ABC/ESPN. uuuuuhhhh the Big 10. It is so corrupt and obvious.

They have already given Troy Smith the Heisman? Corso was pretending to etch his name into the trophy on sat. Oh and another thing that Corso said concerning Purdue : Herbie asked who was going to win the Wisc/Pur game and Corso replied " Wisc. I coached at Indiana and would never give a vote to Purdue." Wonder who else he does not like in Indiana?

Don't believe me - Who does the Pac 10 have a contract with - ABC/ESPN - Whose balls have corso and may been all over for the last two years - SC. It took 4 nail biters from teams ranked in the 30's and 40's for Michigan to jump SC in the polls.

Why was ESPN saying SC was going for a 3-peat all last year when the Sears trophy was only sent to SC one time - exactly - it is easier to sell a spot when you can say defending nat champs on ESPN at 8 p.m.

On Saturday the question came up: "Now that Adrian Peterson is out, who gets the award for best running back?

Desmond Howard (Mich alum): "Mike Hart"
Herbie(OSU alum): "Antonio Pittman"

Jason Whitlock had Arkansas @ #7 last week in his AP poll everyone else in the country ave. 15-16.

Soooooo corrupt

Sorry to say it, but the NBC/ABC battle in college football is hurting the Irish.

What really does not make any sense is the AP Poll.

 

[ACamp1900]

some truth here, but all I can say is welcome to college football

 

[tommy]

and the players get in trouble if the get a free pair of shoes when you really think about it i wish i didnt like nd football so much the ncaa is very very corrupt like most gov opps let me shut up

 

[tedwick]

ummm... i hate to say it, but it's not as corrupt as you make it out to be. OSU is probably the best team in the nation this year, save for UofM. Troy Smith is the only big time player that hasn't screwed up or gotten injured, hence the heisman hype.

the reason the computers differ from regular polls is due to a lot of things. sure, it has something to do with personal bias, but everyone has a different personal bias so it all sort of evens out. i'd argue that it has more to do with the fact that computers don't watch the game. you can give them all the stats you want, but it's a simple fact that statistics don't often capture the essence of a game or a team. the difference between the polls and the computers is one is asking "how do people involved with football think these teams stack up" while one is asking "how do these teams rank according to a certain algorithm". this is why there are different computer rankings, because they rank them according to different methods. it's just that one is based on bits and one is based on someone's brain. yeah, biases have a part in it, but it's only a little factor.

 

[tommy]

disagree people are making millions off these kids and they cant get a strawberry short cake on some one elses dime

 

[Bubba]

ummm... i hate to say it, but it's not as corrupt as you make it out to be. OSU is probably the best team in the nation this year, save for UofM. Troy Smith is the only big time player that hasn't screwed up or gotten injured, hence the heisman hype.

I agree with UM and tOSU being the top 2 teams in the nation.

Troy Smith has had his down days though. Against PSU his stats were 12/22 115 yds, 1TD, 2INT. He had one great play in that game and those 2 INTs meant nothing? 115 yds? I don't want to hear about the weather either. Our MSU game was in bad weather as well. Troy Smith is a Heisman candidate because he has great skill players and a defense that really helps them win. If ND was undefeated, BQ would be the front runner. I know he had a horrible game against UM. But if our defense shuts down UM and we win 21-20, BQ is a hero even with the horrible stats. It's a team award. Who will have a better NFL career, BQ or TS? No guarantees but my money would be on BQ.

 

[tedwick]

well, you run into problems if you let students take money from people. things like football factories and things like what happened to rhet bomar this summer, getting money for doing nothing. then college athletics simply turn into professional development leagues. and that's not what college football is about.

the ncaa doesn't often get these things right, but they seem to be getting better... hopefully you've heard of the McElrathbey story. a clemson player is supporting his 11 year old brother(?), and was granted an NCAA waiver to recieve donations and help. they got that one right.

and i was kind of talking about the media, anyway... it's just that ND isn't doing to well in the polls for whatever reason, and some people are upset.

oh, and @leppycole. using Jason Whitlock as evidence of a correct ballot isn't really a great idea. Whitlock is a moron, as most people on this board and elsewhere probably know.

 

[tedwick]

I agree with UM and tOSU being the top 2 teams in the nation.

Troy Smith has had his down days though. Against PSU his stats were 12/22 115 yds, 1TD, 2INT. He had one great play in that game and those 2 INTs meant nothing? 115 yds? I don't want to hear about the weather either. Our MSU game was in bad weather as well. Troy Smith is a Heisman candidate because he has great skill players and a defense that really helps them win. If ND was undefeated, BQ would be the front runner. I know he had a horrible game against UM. But if our defense shuts down UM and we win 21-20, BQ is a hero even with the horrible stats. It's a team award. Who will have a better NFL career, BQ or TS? No guarantees but my money would be on BQ.

yeah... you should read heismanpundit... it's a good site for this kind of stuff. and yeah, it often comes down to the best player on the best team. bonus points for being a qb from Notre Dame or a running back from SC. and yeah, BQ would be the front runner if he didn't play uncharacteristically terrible that game. even if they lost, if BQ had even a decent game, the game wouldn't have been a blowout and he would still be probably #2. BQ's mistakes probably cost ND a 14 to 21 point differential, single-handedly. The fumble was the lynchpin. and, yeah, if things went differently... but they didn't.

the reason troy smith is the heisman favorite is because he's come through when his team needed him. yeah, he had a bad game against psu, but his team won. he didn't cost them the game. and he's had more then enough great games to make up for it.

 

[Bubba]

Back on topic

Back on topic

I'm not sure if they're corrupt. Alumni will obviously give their team the edge if it's close. I could also see how they would be encouraged to help hype the Big Ten and Pac Ten because of contracts, but I'm not sure anyone could prove it.

Another thing that probably can't be proven is in the coaches poll. You know that the SEC coaches are helping out their conference brothers by rating them as high as possible. In the end, it'll only help their strength of schedule. Hell, even a 2 loss LSU team is ranked at 12 ahead of 2 undefeated teams and 5 one loss teams. And Georgia snuck back into the top 25 with an (read with extreme sarcasm) impressive 3 point win against...Mississippi State...at home!

I know I posted in another thread that we shouldn't worry about the rankings until the end of the season, and I really believe that. It does suck, however, that we have dropped in the polls 3 times after wins. This wouldn't happen to an SEC team. Probably wouldn't happen to a Big Ten team. But, when I regain my composure, I realize that if we keep winning we will get our due.

 

[leppycole]

Tedwick - probably right about using Jason Whitlock - still mad that he was on PTI a couple of years ago calling ND a racist school for firing Ty.

NBC needs to get a crew together and open up some time for an evening game. They could put a crew together other than ESPN employees and allow them to give thier perspective. Gameday's crew is mostly reading from a script written by ESPN/ABC - proof is in the pudding = Corso screws up all the time because his old ass cannot read copy anymore.

I have watched two Ohio State games, and I would not put Troy Smith in my top 3 QB's in the Big 10.

And as far as best running backs now that Peterson is out - Clemson has 2 running backs that are better than Hart and/or Pittman. Unfortunately for them there are no Clemson Alums putting highlight reels together to show on Gameday to influence the voters who only watch 1-2 games a weekend and have no exposure to Clemson.

on more example of corruption:

Ivan Maisal of ESPN wrote an article that was posted last Monday. The article proclaimed Brady Quinn should not even be in the Heisman Race (had Slaton/White/the kid from Northern Ill, Ginn, Smith, Henne all favorably ahead of Quinn)- It was Ironic that the article followed the Stanford game, it just so happens that Ivan is a Stanford Grad.
HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Im going to make this very simple. Yeah, the hate thing is getting pretty ugly.

BUT,

WE DIDNT WIN OUT. We simply cannot talk. You cant put your season in the hands of a third party. It was up to ND to do the job vs. scUM and we failed. NOW, the only thing we can do is win out. eom.

 

[maison bleu]

Just starting to build a case and all of the sudden Gameday pushes me over the edge:

Let me help you understand: Some people cannot understand why the BCS computers differ from the other polls

Reason why?

There are no alumni influencing the computers who work at ESPN/ABC. How does Ohio state get all the hype, three game days, and a full load of "Troy smith can walk on water"? - easy - - just check out which conference has a contract with ABC/ESPN. uuuuuhhhh the Big 10. It is so corrupt and obvious.

They have already given Troy Smith the Heisman? Corso was pretending to etch his name into the trophy on sat. Oh and another thing that Corso said concerning Purdue : Herbie asked who was going to win the Wisc/Pur game and Corso replied " Wisc. I coached at Indiana and would never give a vote to Purdue." Wonder who else he does not like in Indiana?

Don't believe me - Who does the Pac 10 have a contract with - ABC/ESPN - Whose balls have corso and may been all over for the last two years - SC. It took 4 nail biters from teams ranked in the 30's and 40's for Michigan to jump SC in the polls.

Why was ESPN saying SC was going for a 3-peat all last year when the Sears trophy was only sent to SC one time - exactly - it is easier to sell a spot when you can say defending nat champs on ESPN at 8 p.m.

On Saturday the question came up: "Now that Adrian Peterson is out, who gets the award for best running back?

Desmond Howard (Mich alum): "Mike Hart"
Herbie(OSU alum): "Antonio Pittman"

Jason Whitlock had Arkansas @ #7 last week in his AP poll everyone else in the country ave. 15-16.

Soooooo corrupt

Sorry to say it, but the NBC/ABC battle in college football is hurting the Irish.

What really does not make any sense is the AP Poll.

Hmm. That's just a touch paranoid. Did you forget to take your meds?

On the other hand, you forgot one genuine example of ESPN's corruption: the continued employment of that doddering old fool Lou Holtz. Not only is his "analysis" shallow and insipid, not only is he paired with Mark May to form the Idiot Bookends of CF commentary, but he also left every program he ever coached on probation.

For the latter, the CF community should shun him, not give him a platform.

 

[tedwick]

ah. nothing like a michigan fan, coming from their fine tradition of morally sterling coaches, to take a shot at holtz.

well, first off, you're wrong. He's had 5 college football coaching jobs, and 3 were placed on probation after he left. and oddly enough, he was found in no way responsible by the ncaa for ANY of the violations. the ND "violation", the first probation in the history of the university, was actually perpetrated by an ND "booster" who stole money from her employer to give gifts to players. the only way the woman was associated with the university was through a $25 Quarterback Club membership. nice try though. get the facts right next time.

Yeah, he's not a great analyst, but he's no worse than May or Corso. There are about 73 people on GameDay that are higher up on the list of bad analysts than Holtz. Uhhhh... can anybody say Nick Lachey with me?

Of course, I would take the obvious shots at Yost and Schembechler, but that wouldn't do us any good, would it? We all know that anything I said about trying to blackball ND wouldn't hold any weight at all, right? and that's not morally wrong, anyway!

 

[polishdomer]

Just curious...

Just curious...

disagree people are making millions off these kids and they cant get a strawberry short cake on some one elses dime

Are you on drugs?

 

[leppycole]

Hmm. That's just a touch paranoid. Did you forget to take your meds?

On the other hand, you forgot one genuine example of ESPN's corruption: the continued employment of that doddering old fool Lou Holtz. Not only is his "analysis" shallow and insipid, not only is he paired with Mark May to form the Idiot Bookends of CF commentary, but he also left every program he ever coached on probation.

For the latter, the CF community should shun him, not give him a platform.

Who is more paranoid, me complaining about how I feel ND is being treated in the polls ON A ND BLOG SITE or you A Mich fan hanging out on ND Blogs to throw out cheap shots. Where were you last year after ND beat Mich in the big house. Do not remember seeing you post until after the Mich game this year.

 

[tedwick]

paranoid
...
2) Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others: e.g. a paranoid suspicion that the phone might be bugged.

leppycole, i hate to point it out, but i do not think that word means what you think it means.

however, i think that a michigan fan hanging out on an ND board simply for flamebait's sake has too much time on his hands.

 

[BGIF]

Lou Holtz ... left every program he ever coached on probation. ...

That statement is a blatant lie and you know it!

You just earned Bad Rep.

The paranoid commentary was appropriate; the malicious lie wasn't.

 

[maison bleu]

Yeah, he's not a great analyst, but he's no worse than May or Corso.

That's the very definition of damning by faint praise! I wish they'd can 'em all.

Sorry about my factual inaccuracy. It's true, I should have taken a moment and looked up exactly what percentage of programs Lou left on probation. Allow me amend my earlier post: he left MOST of his programs on probation.

As long as I'm grinding my Lou ax, did you hear him condemning the Miami-FIU brawl? As if his own SCar team didn't duke it out with Clemson.

 

[FleaFlicker]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet...

Obviously there is a GREAT deal of animosity between ABC and NBC about college football. Have you guys realizes that NBC doesn't let ABC use absolutely ANY of their footage? (I'm sure you have).

ABC can use CBS' SEC footage, but not NBC's?

It would be a joke it you really thought that all people were veiwing the Irish without any "tinted glasses". I won't call it a conspiracy or anything. But the Irish dropping 3 times for wins over a 1. GT team coming off some impressive wins from last year. 2. Undefeated MSU team 3. 4-2 UCLA team, is a joke. It quite frankly wouldn't be happening to any other school.

And Maisel clearly has something against ND. I evensent an e-mail to him about it. He had ND ranked like 14-15 in his "Power 16" LAST week. Auburn drops by a ton AT HOME to an unranked Arkansas, and they are No. 4?

Our only loss is to undefeated, No.2 UM, and we consistently drop for winning games?

We could have put more points up on Purdue, Standford, PSU if we wanted to, it just isn't CW's style. And that is part of the reason why this is happening as well.

 

[tedwick]

That's the very definition of damning by faint praise! I wish they'd can 'em all.

Sorry about my factual inaccuracy. It's true, I should have taken a moment and looked up exactly what percentage of programs Lou left on probation. Allow me amend my earlier post: he left MOST of his programs on probation.

As long as I'm grinding my Lou ax, did you hear him condemning the Miami-FIU brawl? As if his own SCar team didn't duke it out with Clemson.

yeah, i'm just saying that you ought to be talking about all of them, not just the one that will raise the ire of everyone on this board. if you're going to critique GameDay, go ahead. if you're going to spout flamebait, go somewhere else.

somehow you ignore the fact that holtz wasn't responsible for any of the infractions. rather, it was things that he had no idea about that got the programs suspensions. look up the phrase post hoc ergo propter hoc, then get back to me.

oh, and did YOU hear him condemning the Miami-FIU brawl? He also mentioned that he had been a lame-duck coach at the time, and that he HAD lost control of his team for that last game. In no way did he pretend that it didn't happen. Also, recall that he pulled SC out of their bowl, not just suspend a couple players for a game. Nice try, but you really just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[tedwick]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet...

Obviously there is a GREAT deal of animosity between ABC and NBC about college football. Have you guys realizes that NBC doesn't let ABC use absolutely ANY of their footage? (I'm sure you have).

ABC can use CBS' SEC footage, but not NBC's?

Now, this has REALLY frustrated me. There are NEVER video highlights on ESPN.com of home ND games. it's always NBCSPORTS.com, which, for whatever reason, just doesn't have the technical aptitude that ESPN.com does... grumble

 

[tommy]

chris bermman is the anti christ

 

[scooper]

chris bermman is the anti christ

It all boils down to this, doesn't it?

 

[maison bleu]

chris bermman is the anti christ

Something we can all agree on.