Irish Tight End Situation - Answer!!!!

[wallym]

I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on our Tight End situation. With Luke Schmidt sidelined, we're 2 deep and both are true freshman.

My thoughts are we run 4-5 wide sets without a tight-end. For starters, Rudolph couldn't block my grandma, and I haven't seen Furia do it yet either and am guessing he can't. But, both can split out in the slot and block better in open space (at least get their bodies in the way). Plus, the way Jimmy's slinging the ball around, I feel confident this approach would work.

Second, we have 4-5 good receivers to go to (GT, Floyd, Parris, Grimes, Kamara, West, Goodman, Walker). Throw Rudolph in there and you have a tall, quick receiver to decoy or throw underneath to. Throw Armando in and you give him some room to work with.

Third, this will spread things out and give us better running gaps to establish a run game. We seem to "pack it in" and aren't giving our backs space.

Thoughts? Either they do this, or they put Kamara at Tight End

 

[mick2]

i think we found our new Head coach!

i know there was talk about schmidt being put in there at tight end but hes not 100% fauria is huge @ 6'8" 250 but i don't know how his blocking is.

i think charlie will have to abandon the run and stick to passing a little more, and jimmy can sling it so why not?

we shall see come saturday!

 

[kmoose]

I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on our Tight End situation. With Luke Schmidt sidelined, we're 2 deep and both are true freshman.

My thoughts are we run 4-5 wide sets without a tight-end. For starters, Rudolph couldn't block my grandma, and I haven't seen Furia do it yet either and am guessing he can't. But, both can split out in the slot and block better in open space (at least get their bodies in the way). Plus, the way Jimmy's slinging the ball around, I feel confident this approach would work.

Second, we have 4-5 good receivers to go to (GT, Floyd, Parris, Grimes, Kamara, West, Goodman, Walker). Throw Rudolph in there and you have a tall, quick receiver to decoy or throw underneath to. Throw Armando in and you give him some room to work with.

Third, this will spread things out and give us better running gaps to establish a run game. We seem to "pack it in" and aren't giving our backs space.

Thoughts? Either they do this, or they put Kamara at Tight End

For me, this is where the logic breaks down. We have decemt receivers. So far, only Parris has shown me the ability to both run routes, and catch the ball regularly. But he is no deep threat. He's more of a possession guy. What we REALLY need, is a solid running game. There's a reason that the teams that throw, throw, throw are rarely in NC contention. It's because you cannot compete with the big boys unless you can also run the ball.

 

[mick2]

For me, this is where the logic breaks down. We have decemt receivers. So far, only Parris has shown me the ability to both run routes, and catch the ball regularly. But he is no deep threat. He's more of a possession guy. What we REALLY need, is a solid running game. There's a reason that the teams that throw, throw, throw are rarely in NC contention. It's because you cannot compete with the big boys unless you can also run the ball.

i dont want an nc right now i just want to beat purdue. give the running game time it will get better. but right now i think our strength is throwing so lets play to our strengths and throwit!

 

[roto-stud]

Wouldn't be surprised if you see P. Duncan (last years left tackle) lining up alongside a tackle in
running situations... kind of like a heavyset goal line package...

 

[NDinL.A.]

For me, this is where the logic breaks down. We have decemt receivers. So far, only Parris has shown me the ability to both run routes, and catch the ball regularly. But he is no deep threat. He's more of a possession guy. What we REALLY need, is a solid running game. There's a reason that the teams that throw, throw, throw are rarely in NC contention. It's because you cannot compete with the big boys unless you can also run the ball.

Not sure if you've noticed, but Golden tate has turned into stud wide receiver. I'm talking All-American good. He's running other routes besides the go, and he catches EVERYTHING thrown his way. And then when he catches the ball he's thinking "House" every time. Parris does run the best routes and knows how to get open, but our most complete receiver, that can do everything the best (including every route, which includes the go) as well as gain YAC's, it's Tate.

I agree w/ you whole-heartedly about abandoning the run and spreading things out. I keep hearing we should be like Texas Tech and just throw the ball 60+ times. Let me ask you guys this: When has TT been in a meaningful game, ever? They lose plenty of games, because their offense is such quick-hitter, that their defense is on the field way too much. If a team stops them, they take like 30 seconds off the clock.

We need a running game. Period. You can't win consistently throwing the ball 50+ times a game. It works in spurts, but not in the long run. Let's just pray Latina and the boys up front can miraculously figure things out this weekend...

 

[wallym]

I'm not saying let's run the spread like TT, SDSU, or Meatchicken. Those are gimmick offenses that mask lack of talent. We have talent, but I'm not sure why we continue to "pack it in" to try and run the ball. A good running game can be accomplished by spreading it out by threatening to throw the ball. Sure, you have 2 power backs, but those backs also need space to see the whole better.

I've lacked confidence in our line and Latina's ability to coach them up for the last few years. I'm just surprised our staff if so stubborn to stick with the same thing that hasn't worked.

"Those who don't pay attention to history, are doomed to repeat it".

 

[wallym]

...and by the way, watch Purdue very closely this weekend. The spread "way out" and have a solid running game. They are the model for what we should look at with the type of guys we have.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Bemenderfer at Tight End - period! Bemenderfer doesn't go hunting, Bemenderfer goes KILLING!

 

[kmoose]

Not sure if you've noticed, but Golden tate has turned into stud wide receiver. I'm talking All-American good. He's running other routes besides the go, and he catches EVERYTHING thrown his way. And then when he catches the ball he's thinking "House" every time. Parris does run the best routes and knows how to get open, but our most complete receiver, that can do everything the best (including every route, which includes the go) as well as gain YAC's, it's Tate.

I agree w/ you whole-heartedly about abandoning the run and spreading things out. I keep hearing we should be like Texas Tech and just throw the ball 60+ times. Let me ask you guys this: When has TT been in a meaningful game, ever? They lose plenty of games, because their offense is such quick-hitter, that their defense is on the field way too much. If a team stops them, they take like 30 seconds off the clock.

We need a running game. Period. You can't win consistently throwing the ball 50+ times a game. It works in spurts, but not in the long run. Let's just pray Latina and the boys up front can miraculously figure things out this weekend...

I'm not sold on Tate yet. I don't doubt his athleticism or anything. I just want to see him put together a full season of good numbers. He has to prove to me that he can get open on every route. The other thing that I have not even begun to look at yet, is how well he blocks downfield. Let's face it...........in today's game, good blocks by WRs are often the difference between a 10 yard run (between the tackles), and a 60 yard run. WRs have to be able to block. That's one of the things that made Shark such a hot commodity. He could block.

 

[irish4ever]

What's up w/ Schmidt and his injury? What happened to him and is he out for definite this weekend?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm not sold on Tate yet. I don't doubt his athleticism or anything. I just want to see him put together a full season of good numbers. He has to prove to me that he can get open on every route. The other thing that I have not even begun to look at yet, is how well he blocks downfield. Let's face it...........in today's game, good blocks by WRs are often the difference between a 10 yard run (between the tackles), and a 60 yard run. WRs have to be able to block. That's one of the things that made Shark such a hot commodity. He could block.

That's fair enough; you want to go him a whole year and then make your assessment. Personally, I've seen enough in 3 games to tell me that this kid is special. To make that much of an improvement in one off-season is remarkable. He's a complete wideout now. And that 3rd and long last week that he converted? Unreal! Ran a route to get open, then used his atleticism to make a play out of it, then used his strength and his heart to get a first down out of it. What a stud.

As for blocking, like you I haven't even looked at it yet. Yeah, the Shark was a beast downfield, and he took PLEASURE in beating an DB's arse on a stock-block...

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

That's fair enough; you want to go him a whole year and then make your assessment. Personally, I've seen enough in 3 games to tell me that this kid is special. To make that much of an improvement in one off-season is remarkable. He's a complete wideout now. And that 3rd and long last week that he converted? Unreal! Ran a route to get open, then used his atleticism to make a play out of it, then used his strength and his heart to get a first down out of it. What a stud.

As for blocking, like you I haven't even looked at it yet. Yeah, the Shark was a beast downfield, and he took PLEASURE in beating an DB's arse on a stock-block...

Exactly! And to think he made that much improvement while splitting time with baseball in the Spring.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Exactly! And to think he made that much improvement while splitting time with baseball in the Spring.

I know! People forget that he played baseball this spring. I mean, what a friggin' athlete. He spends his time playing baseball in the spring for a Div 1 university, then turns around and makes the most remarkable improvement I've ever seen a wideout make in one season. And now he's just killing teams. Let's hope he keeps it up...

 

[brentlycat]

Not sold on Tate?are you nuts?check it out he's a little bit raw,but aside from that.I mean can you imagine after he refines his game,he will be dominant!

 

[Bubba]

He's dominant now. He's the one guy that I know will out hustle a defender for the ball. He will gain the extra yardage and he will take what he wants. He cannot be stopped!! he, he, he.

 

[brentlycat]

I like your thinking wallym innovative and besides our depth at WR is one of our strengths.However running 4&5 sets is a complicated scheme whereas claussen is at his best making throws downfield off play-action

 

[brentlycat]

I think running our 2 tites formation with Kamara and Rudolph at TE plus we could run allen or throw to hughes out of this set utilizing jimmy's ability to read and recognize defenses.

 

[brentlycat]

I'm gonna keep keep rambling,I love our team hustle,it was evident in last week's loss but I'm also pragmatic in my faniticism" okay ramblers let's get ramblin"ha,ha,ha,

 

[sportallyr]

I think running our 2 tites formation with Kamara and Rudolph at TE plus we could run allen or throw to hughes out of this set utilizing jimmy's ability to read and recognize defenses.

I really like this idea. Spread formation with 3 WR (Floyd, Tate, Grimes) and 2 TE (Rudolph and Kamara) is a sick thought. I wouldn't want to see it every down, but for an every-once-in-a-while set, I think that one of those is bound to get some separation and make a big play. Could you imagine trying to cover all of those receivers?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I really like this idea. Spread formation with 3 WR (Floyd, Tate, Grimes) and 2 TE (Rudolph and Kamara) is a sick thought. I wouldn't want to see it every down, but for an every-once-in-a-while set, I think that one of those is bound to get some separation and make a big play. Could you imagine trying to cover all of those receivers?

I'd take Parris over Kamara every day of the week including Sundays. I'm so tired of Kamara's dropped passes. We have 3 studs at wideout already, and Parris gives us a fantastic possession receiver...

 

[TheMightyQuinn10]

carlson lol

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

ESPN is reporting Yeatman is going to be sentenced for the misdemeanors including his past DWI/reckless driving as well as the current minor consuming alcohol. The report did not say anything about the resisting or false information accusations.

I wonder how this will affect his status with the team and university.

 

[kicker20]

ESPN is reporting Yeatman is going to be sentenced for the misdemeanors including his past DWI/reckless driving as well as the current minor consuming alcohol. The report did not say anything about the resisting or false information accusations.

I wonder how this will affect his status with the team and university.

In the past when a player has off the field issues, the coaching staff will isolate that person from the team. I would also guess that new team rules have been implemented regarding their public conduct, and a ban on players drinking during the season. I don't think the NCAA will have any issues for Notre Dame on this situation. I am sure the team gave him assistance such as counseling, curfew, etc.. The only negative for the team is that they may lose a good player and they will have to deal with reporters questions about the situation.Normally if a team is shin in tightends, the use an offense guard in replace. A guard is more likely to pull than a tackle. This gives them decent speed and great blocking. A great O-Lineman usually knows how to play every position on the O-Line. This knowledge is normally not yet ingrained by a freshman, who is normally on scout team.

 

[ACamp1900]

Konrad rueland would be nice right now.............

 

[goldandblue]

yeah, I bet he's feeling like shit right now because he would surely be out there getting alot of P.T.