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They're not personal bodyguards for federal agents. That's not what they're paid to do. They're are paid to investigate when one of their citizens is murdered. That is what you're saying. You're justifying ICE/FEDs refusing to allow these murders to be investigated.
Im saying that ICE has asked for assistance with getting assaulted and obstructed and they have been MIA. I am not justifying anything, I’m giving you a reason. Selective policing is bad policy.
 

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My point is that I'm done with you. You say I keep talking in circles. It's because you cannot admit that you're unequivocally wrong. Repeating yourself over and over again might make you feel better, but it doesn't make you right. I have already demonstratively shown you are wrong.

I do not agree with how the law is being applied and I find a lot of it to be very much unlawful. In fact, ICE Director Todd Lyons is on the verge of being held in contempt for ICE repeatedly violating court orders.

You're in favor of federal agents raiding communities with neighborhood wide sweeps going door to door looking for non-violent members of that community and killing people who don't agree with what they're doing?

There's a word for that...

Also, DHS is quite literally paying social media personalities to spew their propaganda bullshit. So, the paid protestor schtick comes off as jealousy towards people with real life connections.
This is the sort of dishonest BS and hyperbole I criticized you for. I'm 100% in favor of them enforcing the law. Period. They aren't killing people for disagreeing with them doing so. They've shot two people, one for attempting to run over one of them and actually hitting him with her SUV, and the other for inserting himself into a situation, refusing to leave, then shoving one of them and resisting while carrying a gun. Nobody is executing people for demonstrating. Two idiots who did idiotic things got themselves shot. Stop interfering with the enforcement of the law and all of the problem goes away.
 

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No. You said the agents are justified because they were assaulted. Show me the video of them being assaulted. You can’t. They weren’t. Which means you have no point. You are fabricating events that didn’t happen to justify things that did. You are not a serious person.
Something is wrong with you. You used to be a normal dude. Now, you're just angry and dishonest and maybe batshit crazy. We were discussing your assertion that the protestors were engaging in nonviolence, which is a demonstrable lie. I gave examples of that. You then attempted to spin and brought up Pretti, who I hadn't mentioned in the discussion, because you have no rebuttal to my examples of all the violence from the protestors which invalidates your silly claims of nonviolence. Stop with the lies and craziness.
 

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Im saying that ICE has asked for assistance with getting assaulted and obstructed and they have been MIA. I am not justifying anything, I’m giving you a reason. Selective policing is bad policy.
And the state of Minnesota and those cities have the right to help or not help. That’s their prerogative. Just because you disagree with them choosing not to help ICE doesn’t justify ICE refusing to investigate their murders and disobeying court orders.
 

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Im saying that ICE has asked for assistance with getting assaulted and obstructed and they have been MIA. I am not justifying anything, I’m giving you a reason. Selective policing is bad policy.
The city doesn’t want you there. The mayor, governor and numerous city officials have said this repeatedly. Why in the hell would they assist you? You Brownshirt pussies are unleashing chaos in their city. GTFO!
 

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This is the sort of dishonest BS and hyperbole I criticized you for. I'm 100% in favor of them enforcing the law. Period. They aren't killing people for disagreeing with them doing so. They've shot two people, one for attempting to run over one of them and actually hitting him with her SUV, and the other for inserting himself into a situation, refusing to leave, then shoving one of them and resisting while carrying a gun. Nobody is executing people for demonstrating. Two idiots who did idiotic things got themselves shot. Stop interfering with the enforcement of the law and all of the problem goes away.

You say a lot and don't show anything. The ego to think because I say it's so, makes it so. Show me anything besides your words based on fallacies and fabrications.

I've already asked this and never received an answer. What am I being dishonest about? Where is the hyperbole?

JD Vance is the one who stated door to door operations. His words, not mine.

The ICE memo is what said warrantless home entries. Their words, not mine.

I've already shown you the Trump Administration policy to target long standing members of communities without a criminal record. Their words, not mine.

The woman who was driving away and killed with a shot to the side of the head, was executed. We can argue whether she should have possibly been detained, but she was executed with a shot through the driver SIDE window to the side of her head, which killed her.

If you can look at what happened to Alex Pretti and say that was justified, then you should take a long look at yourself.

I ask again, where am I being dishonest? Where is the hyperbole?

Ask yourself, who is being dishonest here?

It's ok to show the grace of admitting we have been wrong. Maybe not to me, but at least to yourself.
 

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And the state of Minnesota and those cities have the right to help or not help. That’s their prerogative. Just because you disagree with them choosing not to help ICE doesn’t justify ICE refusing to investigate their murders and disobeying court orders.
Sure it does. This was a federal officer acting while on duty. This is a federal matter. If the Feds don’t want the locals help or want to investigate … it’s their prerogative.
 

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All of this assault and obstruction! Again, where are all the arrests and convictions?!? Where is the proof this is happening beyond incidental occurrences?

Those poor pussies roaming neighborhoods in masks and tactical gear like the SS. :(
 

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The city doesn’t want you there. The mayor, governor and numerous city officials have said this repeatedly. Why in the hell would they assist you? You Brownshirt pussies are unleashing chaos in their city. GTFO!
Goes both ways… pussy.
 

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Sure it does. This was a federal officer acting while on duty. This is a federal matter. If the Feds don’t want the locals help or want to investigate … it’s their prerogative.
Sure, but the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which investigates police shootings, had a warrant and was still blocked from accessing the crime scene. For all the "law needs to be enforced 100%" people.

Also, had to get a federal judge to order evidence not be destroyed or altered.

Really pretty telling, isn't it?
 

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Are the paid agitators in the thread with us?

If organizations were paying people to go start riots it should be pretty easy for Tim Pool or some other right wing dickhead to figure out a way to get themselves paid and expose the whole charade right? Wonder why none of them have tried that.
did they not just blow up the whole signal from the inside? Did that not reveal funding and ties to media and dems?
 

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Sure it does. This was a federal officer acting while on duty. This is a federal matter. If the Feds don’t want the locals help or want to investigate … it’s their prerogative.
This is 100% the process. Now, they can give Minnesota transparency to what they see. I personally would not honor the request of an AG under a credible investigation though.
 

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I am careful to believe everything I see on the guy, but I am seeing stuff about him being fired, militant, radical, injured by ICE the week before and supposedly they’ve identified his handle in the secret signal group. He knew what he was doing and wasn’t singing Imagine with a sign in his hand, but he is dead and we don’t really know.

It is a little weird though.They also used to the most non-woke relatable photos of the lady.
 

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You say a lot and don't show anything. The ego to think because I say it's so, makes it so. Show me anything besides your words based on fallacies and fabrications.

I've already asked this and never received an answer. What am I being dishonest about? Where is the hyperbole?
Your assertion that they're shooting people for disagreeing with them. Utter nonsense and blatantly dishonest hyperbole. That's not why either person got shot.
JD Vance is the one who stated door to door operations. His words, not mine.
Good. No problem with that. They're arresting anyone here illegally. That's what they're supposed to do.
The ICE memo is what said warrantless home entries. Their words, not mine.
Administrative warrants. They're legal.
I've already shown you the Trump Administration policy to target long standing members of communities without a criminal record. Their words, not mine.
It doesn't matter how long they've been in the community if they're there illegally. What part of you can't be here illegally in violation of our nation's immigration laws is so difficult to understand? You can't do that in virtually any nation around the world. Why do you even want people to be here illegally?
The woman who was driving away and killed with a shot to the side of the head, was executed. We can argue whether she should have possibly been detained, but she was executed with a shot through the driver SIDE window to the side of her head, which killed her.
She was not executed.. She did something incredibly stupid and got herself killed. She refused to comply with a lawful order and then, with an officer directly in front of her car attempting to block her from leaving, she intentionally drove into him. Even MN law signed by Walz himself says what she did was an assault that justifies an officer using deadly force.
If you can look at what happened to Alex Pretti and say that was justified, then you should take a long look at yourself.
I don't think Pretti should've gotten shot. OTOH, I understand why and how it happened. He put himself in a bad situation when he absolutely shouldn't have interfered. When LE/ICE tried to remove him, he shoved one of them and they attempted to restrain/subdue him. The gun came out and he got shot. None of it happens if he stays out of the LE encounter with the woman (which he had NO business involving himself in), and hadn't brought a gun to a situation where he had NO businesses having one. He had a right to do so, but it was a still a stupid, stupid decision to interfere with LE doing their job and struggling with them while carrying a gun. Stupid games, stupid prizes, as they say.
 

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This is 100% the process. Now, they can give Minnesota transparency to what they see. I personally would not honor the request of an AG under a credible investigation though.
That's not 100% true. The state can still run its own investigation and bring state charges, which is why they had a warrant to access the crime scene.
 

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You might want to look up “passive resistance” before your all-so-typical uninformed bloviation makes an ass of you again for the umpteenth time. It is literally the peaceful refusal to cooperate with legal requirements. I’ve not seen a single instance of a protestor assaulting an ICE agent. I’ve seen two instances this month of ICE murdering protestors. And I’ve seen an administration that has almost comical difficulty admitting mistakes fire the head of this travesty, mid-operation. Because what the protestors (residents who do not welcome the brown shirts) are doing is working. Fuck ICE an FU for defending this Nazi bullshit.
End of conversation right here. Close the laptop and go talk to your therapist.

ICE enforcing national immigration law in the US and removing illegals isn't in the same stratosphere as murdering 6 million people.
 

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End of conversation right here. Close the laptop and go talk to your therapist.

ICE enforcing national immigration law in the US and removing illegals isn't in the same stratosphere as murdering 6 million people.

COVID task force enforcing national health care policy? If you ever meet the guy in the below you should give him some good recommendations for therapy. He seems quite worried about the fascists.

Can you follow along here? 80 million people voted for Trump. A few hundred stormed the capitol. They were arrested and charged as they should have been. None of these people have or will run for public office, and your original point was that the GOP has fascist candidates. lol talk about getting a grip.

On the real fascism side:

Who took the lockdowns to the extreme? The left.

Who looted and burned shit down in the streets? The left.

Who told us the "vaccines" would prevent you from getting Covid? The left.

Who tried to MANDATE taking the vaccine? The left.

Who colluded with big tech to censor conservatives? The left.
 

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I am careful to believe everything I see on the guy, but I am seeing stuff about him being fired, militant, radical, injured by ICE the week before and supposedly they’ve identified his handle in the secret signal group. He knew what he was doing and wasn’t singing Imagine with a sign in his hand, but he is dead and we don’t really know.

It is a little weird though.They also used to the most non-woke relatable photos of the lady.

He was a religious zealot over this, no doubt. The firing story is fabricated. The face tuning is kind of the final insult. He's too ugly to be their martyr.

His ex-wife divorced him because he was so obsessed with the ideology.

His own parents were pleading with him to stop.

He broke a rib a week before fighting with ICE agents.

His coworker said he was just starting his life.....dude was 38 and playing 'college tankie'.
 

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He was a religious zealot over this, no doubt. The firing story is fabricated. The face tuning is kind of the final insult. He's too ugly to be their martyr.

His ex-wife divorced him because he was so obsessed with the ideology.

His own parents were pleading with him to stop.

He broke a rib a week before fighting with ICE agents.

His coworker said he was just starting his life.....dude was 38 and playing 'college tankie'.
Disgusting.

This guy an ICU nurse that did more for his community than someone like that piece of shit Ashli Babbitt who MAGA cried over. Who Trump honored with a military funeral and a $5 million dollar payout. Someone that actually brought about their own death by enacting violence. She stormed our nations capitol he tried to help a lady that was shoved down.
 

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He was a religious zealot over this, no doubt. The firing story is fabricated. The face tuning is kind of the final insult. He's too ugly to be their martyr.

His ex-wife divorced him because he was so obsessed with the ideology.

His own parents were pleading with him to stop.

He broke a rib a week before fighting with ICE agents.

His coworker said he was just starting his life.....dude was 38 and playing 'college tankie'.
Dude clearly wasn't right. I tried to throw some disclaimers out. Lots of stuff about him out there. The too ugly to be a martyr so the media made him AI fictional is telling for the narrative and the motive.
Disgusting.

This guy an ICU nurse that did more for his community than someone like that piece of shit Ashli Babbitt who MAGA cried over. Who Trump honored with a military funeral and a $5 million dollar payout. Someone that actually brought about their own death by enacting violence. She stormed our nations capitol he tried to help a lady that was shoved down.
So no expert tire analysis on this one? Your hate is quite ugly.
 

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Disgusting.

This guy an ICU nurse that did more for his community than someone like that piece of shit Ashli Babbitt who MAGA cried over. Who Trump honored with a military funeral and a $5 million dollar payout. Someone that actually brought about their own death by enacting violence. She stormed our nations capitol he tried to help a lady that was shoved down.
His life is a cautionary tale about joining cults. And that's what this is at this level. Ashli Babbitt is one too.
 

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His life is a cautionary tale about joining cults. And that's what this is at this level. Ashli Babbitt is one too.
Yet Trump treated one as a hero and his administration has told despicable lies about the other.
 

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He was a religious zealot over this, no doubt. The firing story is fabricated. The face tuning is kind of the final insult. He's too ugly to be their martyr.

His ex-wife divorced him because he was so obsessed with the ideology.

His own parents were pleading with him to stop.


He broke a rib a week before fighting with ICE agents.

His coworker said he was just starting his life.....dude was 38 and playing 'college tankie'.
The over-the-top obsession - almost a religious zealotry as you mention - is bizarre. I get being strongly invested in something. I get being passionate. This is something different. It's fanaticism to an unhealthy degree. It's hyper-emotional to a pathological level.

My mom remarried 10 years ago after my dad passed away. The guy she married is someone we've known for more than 50 years, went to church with, his late wife & my mom were close friends, etc. etc. We knew the guy well. I always thought the world of him and knew him to be a very intelligent and decent man with enough character and integrity for 10 people. What none of us knew was his unhealthy obsession with this sort of political stuff.

He watches MSNBC 12-15 hours per day, 7 days per week and lets them get him worked up every day. It's a constant "Trump is gonna do this" prediction over and over, none of which ever come true, but he never grasps that they're just manipulating him. Every flipping day, the sky is falling and it's the end of democracy and concentration camps are being built in secret and any other crazy nonsense he thinks of. And he gets so worked up about Minneapolis that he sits and cries every day while watching the news. He literally spends most of his day shaking in fear or anger, predicting that the end of the world is near, and just having an emotional crisis over a false narrative designed to keep him in meltdown mode.

His three kids are all conservative and have tried to reason with him and get him to see that he's being manipulated and wound up by Rachel Maddow & Co. My mom has tried. I've tried. You can't. No matter what you say or what you show him, it's always, "Yeah, but Trump!!!" He's just gone off the deep end and cries and predicts doom and has no grasp of what's actually going on. My mom told me last night that he cried until he threw up because "Trump's about to nuke Greenland and start WWIII." JFC.

There are a lot of people out there like this. They've gone off the deep end about politics, and are just foaming at the mouth, crazy-eyed, the-sky-is-falling nuts. You can't reason with them. No amount of evidence or facts or logic penetrate their tin foil hat. It really is like a religious fanaticism that's impervious to reason. They work themselves into a fervor or into a bottomless depression. It's a mental illness.
 

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That's not 100% true. The state can still run its own investigation and bring state charges, which is why they had a warrant to access the crime scene.
If it were only that simple. Lots of legal hurdles to jump and lots would have to go their way. I’m sure politically they are willing but good luck. I don’t see it happening.
 

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Yet Trump treated one as a hero and his administration has told despicable lies about the other.
Forget all that. They both needed to grow up. Just live your life.

Pretti died for illegals. Illegal strangers who could care less about him. It's a freaking travesty. A friend needed to get in his face and grab him by the shoulders and say STOP. Someone needed to tell Ashli DONT GO. THIS IS TROUBLE.
 

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His life is a cautionary tale about joining cults. And that's what this is at this level. Ashli Babbitt is one too.
Now do Charlie Kirk. I’ll start.

Religious zealot

College dropout

Spewed bigotry

Spent his life trying to brainwash college kids

His wife has credible ties to human trafficking

Find this too tasteless to go on. Only pointing out the hypocrisy.
 

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COVID task force enforcing national health care policy? If you ever meet the guy in the below you should give him some good recommendations for therapy. He seems quite worried about the fascists.
Everything I mentioned in those posts is accurate, and none of which can compare ICE in 2026 vs what the Nazis did in the 1930s and 1940s. Not. Even. Close.

Hey look, it's 2026 and the left is still causing property damage in Minneapolis and taking their anger out on law enforcement.
 
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