It's almost like Walz and his cronies want chaos to distract from fraud and behavior so bad that even the NYT profiled it. Again, someone is orchestrating the supplies, support, and organization. I'll follow the carpenter logic when they quit bagging terrible people.
But what you are failing to see is, even if everything you say is true, that Trump is forced to use it in that manner because of the previous admin.
Ok, so you are saying that there is an official order that says dont go after criminals? That sounds like something you need to make that more known. Checkmate on your part if true. Having strong relations with legal immigrants, I'm all for going after the "criminals" that came here illegally, but I find it hard to believe that Trump would officially say "dont go after criminals" That's pretty wild to imagine.
They're not prioritizing looking for criminals. I know because it's literally their policy.
Walz is incompetent
I think if things are that bad then it's even more important to (a) prioritize the worst cases and (b) do it professionally and that what we've gotten instead is a giant clown show that's focused more on pumping numbers and projecting some twisted view of strength.
there is a difference between going after everyone and telling me they arent going after criminals. I'm all for them doing BOTH simultaneously.They're not prioritizing looking for criminals. I know because it's literally their policy.
From the Law Enforcement Immigration Task Force:
The Trump administration abandoned the Obama framework, asserting that all undocumented migrants were deemed priorities for apprehension and removal. On January 25, 2017, the Trump administration issued an Executive Order entitled “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States,” which, along with subsequent DHS guidance, effectively “prioritized” all undocumented immigrants for removal at any time. The Trump priorities set out seven broad categories, including new categories for those who engaged in visa fraud or identification misrepresentation. However, in contrast to the Obama administration’s tiered prioritization categories, the Trump administration asserted that each of the categories were of equal weight – serious offenses shared the same priority as minor ones. Effectively, the Trump guidance expanded the understanding of “enforcement priority” “so broadly as to render the term meaningless.”
In effect, the Trump administration indicated that anyone who was deportable or inadmissible was a priority for removal. The Trump guidance not only directed the prioritization for the arrest and deportation of any undocumented immigrant who had been convicted or even charged with a criminal offense – it also prioritized those merely deemed to “have committed acts which constitute a chargeable criminal offense.” In addition, the guidance included a broad, ill-defined catch-all category for those who “in the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security.” These broad categories could be extended to cover those with minor offenses like speeding, or those who committed immigration offenses, like unlawful entry, even if they never were charged with those offenses.
By equally prioritizing those convicted of crimes, those charged with crimes, and those whose conduct did not lead to charges, but whose conduct could “constitute” a chargeable offense or could be deemed to be a public safety risk, the Trump guidance significantly expanded the universe of prioritized migrants. In addition, unlike the Obama administration guidance, the Trump guidance did not distinguish between seriousness of offenses, prioritizing – at least in theory – minor traffic offenses equally with violent crimes.
Furthermore, the Trump DHS issued a memorandum foreswearing the use of prosecutorial discretion to deprioritize low risk groups or those with longstanding ties to the U.S. The memorandum stated that “prosecutorial discretion shall not be exercised in a manner that exempts or excludes a specified class or category of noncitizens from enforcement of immigration laws.” A stark contrast from the Obama administration orders that discretion be assessed on the basis of length of time in the U.S., social ties and U.S. citizen family members, or military service, the Trump administration severely limited the discretionary authority of immigration-enforcement personnel. Instead, ICE personnel were expected to execute immigration laws against all removable individuals.
These broad enforcement priorities translated to more arrests and deportations of less serious offenders and fewer arrests and deportations of more serious offenders. According to ICE data, the monthly number of level 3 (misdemeanors) offenders detained climbed from 6,000 in March 2015 to 9,500 in April 2019. At the same time, the number of level 1 (felony and aggravated felony) offenders detained decreased from 7,500 to 6,000. Additionally, an estimated 1 in 10 undocumented individuals arrested during FY2017 had neither a criminal conviction or charge. By targeting the entire undocumented population rather than those who posed threats, the Trump prioritization policy faced criticism for wasting resources.
It's a question of resource allocation. If you're sending agents to home depots to round up workers, or to immigration court to kidnap people in naturalization hearings, you're not having those agents spend time doing the hard work of identifying, tracking, and apprehending criminals. Maybe you'll get some if you cast a wide enough net, but if you're telling ICE agents their priority is to increase their deportation numbers they're going to respond to that incentive by going after the low hanging fruit, which almost by definition are people who are not violent criminals.
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I guess.... You know what would really save everyone time, resources, and $$$$$? Not having every professional socialist protester blocking arrests and warning criminals of the approaching ICE car down the street. Imagine how much more efficient we could be if dipshits didnt spent their working hours protesting the law. How much $$$$ would that save taxpayers. But I guess we'll never know....
No, you hold on. I didn’t see Good or Pretti throwing any rocks or ice. Did you? Good was trying to move her car away from screaming agents — almost like ICE was blocking her in. Pretti was filming (as was his right) and came to the aid of a woman who was assaulted by thug agents. Surely you don’t think it’s OK to shoot people for blowing their horns or whistles?
I cant figure out if you are arguing against me or making my point for me. The point is no one stood in Obama's way because he is.... Obama... Or to go a step further because all the socialist dregs aren't blocking the attempts to carry out the law.I think what you're failing to see is that Trump's deportations aren't touching Obama's average rate for his first 4 years.
View attachment 3062589Obama Deportations Definitely Not Record-Breaking
In its first four years the Obama administration deported 3.2 million aliens, averaging just over 800,000 per year. Pro-amnesty advocacy groups, administration officials, lawmakers, and lazy reporters all have claimed this is a record, but it is not. In fact, according to historical DHS...
Trump's monthly deportations till September - 60 x 12 = 720K.
A New Era of Immigration Enforcement Unfolds in the U.S. Interior and at the Border under Trump 2.0
The transformation in U.S. immigration enforcement taking place at the U.S.-Mexico border and in communities across the United States during the second Trump term is tangibly captured in government data for fiscal year (FY) 2025. This short read sifts through the available data to look at...www.migrationpolicy.org
I saw ICE's December stats and it was roughly around 70K. So if we take the highest monthly figure that's still only 840K.
Are you saying that the additional 40K deportations are worth these methods?
Obama took NOTHING like this. This is arguing in bad faith. Are you really trying to say people protested like this against Obama or even a tiny percent? Dont you remember Los angeles earlier this year, for example? Im pretty sure no one was shot, but I remember rocks being dropped off overpasses, cars being burned, and who knows what else.
Sure, cheers. I would hope I wouldn't sit home and comply.
He took “NOTHING like this” because he didn’t use tactics anything like this. It’s really not very difficult to see that cause and effect relationship is it? No it isn’t. Unless of course you are the one arguing in bad faith. 🙄
I already laid out the differences between policies of Obama and Trump Administrations a couple pages back. Obama took a much more tactful approach prioritizing recent border crossers and violent criminals rather than those with longstanding ties to communities.
He’s not interested in nuance. It spoils his myopic view.
Welp, glad we got that on the table. This one really bothers me. I live overseas, and it is mind boggling from a distance. But I'm glad to hear your perspective and look forward to ruminating on it.
I got you, but I think it is apples to oranges because Trump is tasked with cleaning up Biden's mess. He doesn't have the luxury of stopping people at the border.
His tactics were different because the situation was different. We didn't have state government actively working against DHS. He had zero resistance. Trump has to deliver on his promise to remove these threats. The situation is different.
So all this talk about sanctuary cities over the past decade (including Trump’s first term) was all bullshit? Seems to me that the narrative got louder and nothing else really changed at all until ICE was unleashed.
Speaking of cause and effect, you conveniently ignore the effect on all this that harassing and interfering with LE and feds doing their job enforcing the law. They aren't having these sorts of confrontations elsewhere because there aren't thousands of paid protestors interfering, harassing them, blocking their vehicles, or assaulting them. That's the cause that's producing the effect you don't like. Take away the organized socialist protestors who are intentionally interfering with law enforcement doing its jobs and you don't have that effect any more.
Show me the footage of demonstrators biting off the fingers and screaming down ICE under Obama.
The initial conditions of Trump 45 and Trump 47 are not the same. Not even close.
Against you.
Are you talking about the deliberate suppression of information? Censorship online? Threatening jobs over the jab? Demanding to see peoples papers? What's the angle here?
