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In my CCW class they made an incredibly big deal about how you have a duty to avoid potential physical altercations while carrying, for both legal and practical reasons.

You don’t want to raise the stakes of that fight to death.

Being an "observer" of law enforcement, while also armed and getting into shoving distance with them, is just a bad idea, even if you think the law empowers you to play the "I'm not touching you" game with acts of defiance or minor assaults. It's also hazardous to the public trust to create a situation in which every protestor is regarded as a potential threat, and every cop seen to be on the edge of shooting someone
I agree. This guy may have been legal up to the point of contact, but it was certainly playing with fire and contrary to any training I’ve ever seen.
 

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They should all have more arrests. They all have VASTLY more illegal immigrants than Minnesota. There’s no fucking reason for ICE to be going door to door in a state that has a football stadium worth of illegals. Trump is getting what he wants.
 

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They should all have more arrests. They all have VASTLY more illegal immigrants than Minnesota. There’s no fucking reason for ICE to be going door to door in a state that has a football stadium worth of illegals. Trump is getting what he wants.
Minnesota has a coordinated an anti–government effort going on and they are just supposed to move on? If white guys in camo did this we would watch swalwell talk about using nukes.


As long as they keep producing dangerous illegals in cuffs, I have zero issues with it.
 

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In my CCW class they made an incredibly big deal about how you have a duty to avoid potential physical altercations while carrying, for both legal and practical reasons.

You don’t want to raise the stakes of that fight to death.

Being an "observer" of law enforcement, while also armed and getting into shoving distance with them, is just a bad idea, even if you think the law empowers you to play the "I'm not touching you" game with acts of defiance or minor assaults. It's also hazardous to the public trust to create a situation in which every protestor is regarded as a potential threat, and every cop seen to be on the edge of shooting someone
Who shoved who? Who initiates the physical altercation? Who throws a woman to the ground? Who is trying to help her to her feet?

Law enforcement does not have immunity. They cannot commit crime even in the act of preventing crime. The tired justification of “don’t put yourself in that situation” is nothing more than excusing accountability.
 

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Minnesota has a coordinated an anti–government effort going on and they are just supposed to move on? If white guys in camo did this we would watch swalwell talk about using nukes.


As long as they keep producing dangerous illegals in cuffs, I have zero issues with it.

Yes, so it’s retributive. You’re upset at citizen resisting and don’t care about how illogical and wasteful it is to be focusing on a state with so few illegals to begin with.

Also interesting you blame the citizens for inflaming the situation but refuse to say anything about Trump, Noem, and Bovino’s blatant lies.
 

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I have zero risk or fear of being killed by an ICE agent.

I’m not
A- illegal
B- Agitating federal officers
C- Disrupting law enforcement

Their death was predictable and there’s prob going to be another one. It’s a shit happens situation.
I'm happy to hear you feel safe at home with the marginalized are attacked and their protectors are being killed.
 

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Hamas supporters at work. ⬆️

In a situation like Pretti, a ton of confusion. Those who just label it a murder have clearly never faced any adversity-type/chaos situation where life/death applies.
 

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Hamas supporters at work. ⬆️

In a situation like Pretti, a ton of confusion. Those who just label it a murder have clearly never faced any adversity-type/chaos situation where life/death applies.
Hammas supporter? Really, says the brave German who stays at home safely while his country collapses and Jews are murdered. (That's giving you the benefit of the doubt you aren't one to join in on that action)
 

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Marginalized? Lmao
Is this funny to you?
I hope these "migrant cleanup efforts" are worth it. Because what I'm seeing so far is showing me the cost of a divided country. I don't believe this is making anything safer in the slightest
 

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Is this funny to you?
I hope these "migrant cleanup efforts" are worth it. Because what I'm seeing so far is showing me the cost of a divided country. I don't believe this is making anything safer in the slightest
I mean for me personally
4 years of riots then 4 years of no riots and now 2 years of riots is pretty funny.

I just can't quite put my finger on what happened in the last 10 years.

And I really wonder why we are so divided.
 

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I guess the guy brought a gun to the protest because he was expecting to experience the "mostly" part of the peaceful protest.

What was his intent? He brought a gun to a protest to stop ICE and there were no counter protesters. Who was he expecting to use it on?
 

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I dont know, can you see a gun or is it a chaotic picture? I have no clue what went through their minds, but is it absurd to think they saw a gun and when they shot they didnt realize another agent had removed it? Everything happens so quickly. If someone initially had a gun(which I thought was reported) how do you know at each millisecond if it is now pointed at you or not?
 

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I guess the guy brought a gun to the protest because he was expecting to experience the "mostly" part of the peaceful protest.

What was his intent? He brought a gun to a protest to stop ICE and there were no counter protesters. Who was he expecting to use it on?
Kyle Rittenhouse brought an AR15, actually killed someone, and now does the MAGA influence rounds and spoke at APAC.

He was exercising his second amendment rights, I didn’t realize you guys were suddenly cool with needing a justification to carry.

Also he was disarmed before he was murdered so it was wholly irrelevant anyways.
 

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I dont know, can you see a gun or is it a chaotic picture? I have no clue what went through their minds, but is it absurd to think they saw a gun and when they shot they didnt realize another agent had removed it? Everything happens so quickly. If someone initially had a gun(which I thought was reported) how do you know at each millisecond if it is now pointed at you or not?
The guy that shot him was watching the officer in grey remove the gun from his waistband. He waited until the guy in grey was clear before he shot him. Yes he saw.
 

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I'm happy to hear you feel safe at home with the marginalized are attacked and their protectors are being killed.
Those "marginalized" are victims of their own behavior and choices. They knowingly violated the immigration laws of our country to come here illegally and are now being deported for it. Other than the young children who played no part in making those bad choices, they're criminals who chose to break our immigration laws and brought all this on themselves. Stop interfering with police and Feds enforcing the laws passed by Congress, stop defending criminals being here illegally, and this all goes away.
 

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I guess the guy brought a gun to the protest because he was expecting to experience the "mostly" part of the peaceful protest.

What was his intent? He brought a gun to a protest to stop ICE and there were no counter protesters. Who was he expecting to use it on?
My man, my dad and father in law bring concealed carry to Wendy's. Who do they expect to use it on?
 

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Those "marginalized" are victims of their own behavior and choices. They knowingly violated the immigration laws of our country to come here illegally and are now being deported for it. Other than the young children who played no part in making those bad choices, they're criminals who chose to break our immigration laws and brought all this on themselves. Stop interfering with police and Feds enforcing the laws passed by Congress, stop defending criminals being here illegally, and this all goes away.
Those "marginalized" were deported at a higher rate under Obama with next to no issues relative to what were facing.
There are humane responses to nonviolent crimes and there are inhumane responses
 

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The guy that shot him was watching the officer in grey remove the gun from his waistband. He waited until the guy in grey was clear before he shot him. Yes he saw.
Ok, thanks, I'll take your word. If that is the case then certainly can't defend it. It's a horrible situation no matter what.
 

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Kyle Rittenhouse brought an AR15, actually killed someone, and now does the MAGA influence rounds and spoke at APAC.

He was exercising his second amendment rights, I didn’t realize you guys were suddenly cool with needing a justification to carry.

Also he was disarmed before he was murdered so it was wholly irrelevant anyways.
I am not saying the guy didn't have the right. What was he expecting law enforcement to do when he made a move towards his holster?
 

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Is this funny to you?
I hope these "migrant cleanup efforts" are worth it. Because what I'm seeing so far is showing me the cost of a divided country. I don't believe this is making anything safer in the slightest
It's funny because you guys spin a totally false narrative and call them marginalized instead of referring to them as what they are: illegal aliens who broke our laws to come here illegally and are now facing the consequences of that by being legally deported.
 

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Those "marginalized" were deported at a higher rate under Obama with next to no issues relative to what were facing.
There are humane responses to nonviolent crimes and there are inhumane responses
Wait, I thought the fact that no one opposed Obama's deportation was a sign of hypocrisy on the left, not because Obama was doing a better job. Deportation is deportation isn't it?
 

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Little different than taking it to protest against law enforcement.
What about these guys. Who were they protecting or intending use for?

Again, my family are 2A Trump voters and they carry literally everywhere they go. I'm talking to church to bed to police stations. Everywhere

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I am not saying the guy didn't have the right. What was he expecting law enforcement to do when he made a move towards his holster?
This is a nonsense MAGA talking point. He didn’t make a move to do shit. He’s on all fours when he’s disarmed.
 

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It's funny because you guys spin a totally false narrative and call them marginalized instead of referring to them as what they are: illegal aliens who broke our laws to come here illegally and are now facing the consequences of that by being legally deported.
I ask for humane deportations and I ask for tight border control with a path for citizenship for all (not just "educated" or Trump Gold Card millionaires)

I literally want illegal immigration to stop. I even want deportation, especially if commiting crimes within the US
 
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