Immigration

[calvegas04]

I think that by making us responsible for the refugees for countries that we fuck around with, maybe it will make us pause before doing the fucking.


Sorry for the language.

Why is it that these refugees are mainly men while they are leaving the women and children behind to fight isis?

 

[pkt77242]

Why is it that these refugees are mainly men while they are leaving the women and children behind to fight isis?

No idea what this has to do with my post but:

I would guess that women (and children) are more likely to not survive the hardship and or end up as slaves/wifes for ISIS.

Also the numbers depend on what country you are talking about, Women make up about 1/2 of refugees in Jordan, Egypt, SA, Lebanon, etc.

In Europe it is about 60-65% men. In the US about half are children (makes sense).

 

[calvegas04]

No idea what this has to do with my post but:

Well you want us to feel sympathy for these "refugees", but they are leaving their kids and wives behind so they can get over to Europe and have all that sweet sweet welfare. So I don't really feel any sympathy for them as they are using their civil war as a excuse to leave their already crappy country and go ruin Europe.
Meet The Brave Women Fighting ISIS In Syria

 

[pkt77242]

Well you want us to feel sympathy for these "refugees", but they are leaving their kids and wives behind so they can get over to Europe and have all that sweet sweet welfare. So I don't really feel any sympathy for them as they are using their civil war as a excuse to leave their already crappy country and go ruin Europe.
Meet The Brave Women Fighting ISIS In Syria

You do realize that you are making assumptions about these people right? Why do you assume that these people are leaving their wife and kids behind? What if they don't have a wife or children? Honestly I think that you would find something wrong with them no matter what. You don't want them here and you will fit the narrative to your belief. That is fine but own it.

ETA: Do you happen to feel the same way about the Cuban's that fled to the US instead of fighting Castro or any other people that fled death or enslavement instead of fighting?

 

[calvegas04]

You do realize that you are making assumptions about these people right? Why do you assume that these people are leaving their wife and kids behind? What if they don't have a wife or children? Honestly I think that you would find something wrong with them no matter what. You don't want them here and you will fit the narrative to your belief. That is fine but own it.

ETA: Do you happen to feel the same way about the Cuban's that fled to the US instead of fighting Castro or any other people that fled death or enslavement instead of fighting?

Syrian women speak out against men who are fleeing the country – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW

 

[calvegas04]

ETA: Do you happen to feel the same way about the Cuban's that fled to the US instead of fighting Castro or any other people that fled death or enslavement instead of fighting?

I would have if the Cubans came over and started raping girls in mass and if crime shot up like crazy

 

[pkt77242]

Syrian women speak out against men who are fleeing the country – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW

To the link, that is anecdotal. Could it be true, sure (and wouldn't be horribly shocking though sad) but that story hardly shows a mass exodus of married men.

As to the numbers/graphs. Yes it is more male than female but have you ever looked at why? Many of the males coming over are unaccompanied minors (predominately male, but under 18). Basically they are sending over their boys to carry on their family name. They send them over unaccompanied because they are pretty much guaranteed asylum as an unaccompanied minor. They aren't sending sending over 30-40 year old men, they are sending over 10-17 year old males. Are you really expecting these 10-17 year old boys to fight ISIS?

 

[pkt77242]

I would have if the Cubans came over and started raping girls in mass and if crime shot up like crazy

What does that have to do with staying and fighting? Either people should stay and fight or you believe that they should leave the violence of their home country. The incidents in Europe have been horrible, but remember that you are talking about a couple of hundred people in relation to the millions that are there. It is a small percentage of refugees that commit crime. Here is an interesting article on it.

The Origin of Refugee Crime Rumors - The Atlantic

Was there a crime uptick with the additional refugees, sure, though it seems about in-line with any country that added that many people.

Also, the article talks about the false rumors (many) and even real stories like Cologne get distorted. 12 men were linked with sexual crimes (horrific, but do you really want to judge millions of people off of 12 of them?), most were linked with robbing people (bad, but not shocking given the poverty of many of the asylum seekers).

 

[Legacy]

Syria Regional Refugee Response

 

[Legacy]

New Americans in New York (American Immigration Council)

Immigrants, Latinos and Asians account for large and growing shares of the economy and the electorate in New York. Immigrants (the foreign-born) account for more than 1 in 5 New Yorkers—and more than half of them are U.S. citizens eligible to vote. “New Americans”—immigrants and the children of immigrants—account for 23.9% of all registered voters in the state. New York’s immigrants are responsible for $229 billion in economic output, while Latinos and Asians (both foreign-born and native-born) account for one quarter of New Yorkers and wield $165 billion in consumer purchasing power. At last count, the sales and receipts of businesses owned by Latinos and Asians totaled more than $68.7 billion and employed more than 310,000 people. Not only is New York one of the most ethnically diverse states in the nation, but it is also a historic gateway for immigrants from virtually every part of the world. Immigrants, Latinos, and Asians are a political and economic powerhouse in New York.

NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio Launches Nearly $8 Million Assistance Program For Immigrants

 

[Legacy]

From Ireland to Germany to Italy to Mexico: How America’s Source of Immigrants Has Changed in the States, 1850 – 2013 (Pew Research)

Modern Immigration Wave Brings 59 Million to U.S., Driving Population Growth and Change Through 2065 (Pew Research)

 

[MJ12666]

New Americans in New York (American Immigration Council)



NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio Launches Nearly $8 Million Assistance Program For Immigrants

He has to give them money. His latest approval rating is 35% approve. Even a majority of Dems viewed him fair or poor. His best group is Black/Latino at 36%. The $8M will probably lift his rating to 37%. lol.

 

[BGIF]

He has to give them money. His latest approval rating is 35% approve. Even a majority of Dems viewed him fair or poor. His best group is Black/Latino at 36%. The $8M will probably lift his rating to 37%. lol.

Not 47% ?

 

[MJ12666]

Not 47% ?

$8M only goes so far in NY. Very expensive.

 

[ickythump1225]

What does that have to do with staying and fighting? Either people should stay and fight or you believe that they should leave the violence of their home country. The incidents in Europe have been horrible, but remember that you are talking about a couple of hundred people in relation to the millions that are there. It is a small percentage of refugees that commit crime. Here is an interesting article on it.

The Origin of Refugee Crime Rumors - The Atlantic

Was there a crime uptick with the additional refugees, sure, though it seems about in-line with any country that added that many people.

Also, the article talks about the false rumors (many) and even real stories like Cologne get distorted. 12 men were linked with sexual crimes (horrific, but do you really want to judge millions of people off of 12 of them?), most were linked with robbing people (bad, but not shocking given the poverty of many of the asylum seekers).

1 refugee crime is too many because we're talking about a group of people who are not wanted or needed in the West. They are guests of Western nations, not citizens entitled to be there. If even 1 refugee commits a crime it is a travesty because they really weren't needed in the first place.

Why should citizens of Western nations (who by and large do NOT want "refugees" in their country) have to put up a "crime uptick" that was "in-line" with other countries? America, and the rest of the West, has enough problems and criminals to deal with, without adding in millions more. Why are Western nations deemed to be the dumping grounds for the worlds problems? Why doesn't Saudi Arabia take in these "refugees?" Or Israel?

 

[ickythump1225]

I think that by making us responsible for the refugees for countries that we fuck around with, maybe it will make us pause before doing the fucking.


Sorry for the language.

Yeah well we shouldn't go meddling into the Middle East, but haven't enough Western women been raped and Western women been killed to prove your point? The joke has gone far enough at this point...

 

[Buster Bluth]

1 refugee crime is too many

I should have stopped reading here...

because we're talking about a group of people who are not wanted or needed in the West. They are guests of Western nations, not citizens entitled to be there. If even 1 refugee commits a crime it is a travesty because they really weren't needed in the first place.

Uh huh. What is it about using the word entitled/entitlement to spearhead criticisms coming from the Right? It's like a god damn dog whistle over there.

Do you know what wasn't needed? The toppling of Saddam, or the sloppy occupation of Iraq that created terrorists by the thousands, or the arming of an incompetent Iraqi military, or the subverting of the Assad regime, etc that all allowed ISIS to go on this run and cause this refugee crisis in the first place. None of that was needed, but we felt entitled to do it anyway.

Why should citizens of Western nations (who by and large do NOT want "refugees" in their country) have to put up a "crime uptick" that was "in-line" with other countries? America, and the rest of the West, has enough problems and criminals to deal with, without adding in millions more.

America has enough problems to deal with but somehow other countries' immigration policies are on that list.

Who said the West is adding millions of criminals?

Why are Western nations deemed to be the dumping grounds for the worlds problems? Why doesn't Saudi Arabia take in these "refugees?" Or Israel?

You're aware that most of the refugees are still in the Middle East, right?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yeah well we shouldn't go meddling into the Middle East, but haven't enough Western women been raped and Western women been killed to prove your point? The joke has gone far enough at this point...

"Well okay we destroyed those countries but there have been isolated incidents of rape in the West so aren't we basically even?"

 

[calvegas04]

"Well okay we destroyed those countries but there have been isolated incidents of rape in the West so aren't we basically even?"

Im sure if 20,000 Syrians moved to Toledo OH, you would be saying WTF when they raise crime and change the culture of Toledo

 

[BGIF]

Im sure if 20,000 Syrians moved to Toledo OH, you would be saying WTF when they raise crime and change the culture of Toledo

IF they all become Buckeye fans it would definitely raise the gene pool of Buckeye Nation.

 

[Legacy]

Where do you put 65 miĺlion "displaced" people? The largest number since WWII.

- 40.8 million people who had been forced to flee their homes but were within the confines of their own countries, "internally displaced"

-- 21.3 million refugees - "externally displaced"
A total of 54% of all refugees come from just three countries, Syria at 4.9 million, Afghanistan at 2.7 million and Somalia at 1.1 million. Turkey hosts 2.5 million externally displaced people. Followed by Pakistan (1.6 million), Lebanon (1.1 million), Iran (979,000) and Ethiopia (736,000). Major refugee populations include Palestinians (4.8 million), Afghans (2.9 million), Iraqis (1.8 million), Somalis (700,000), Congolese (456,000), Myanmarese (407,000), Colombians (390,000), Sudanese (370,000).

3.2 million people in industrialized countries who, at the end of 2015, were awaiting decisions on asylum – the largest total ever recorded.

Children made up 51 per cent of the world’s refugees in 2015, many unaccompanied, separated or alone. Women make up half the refugees.

About two-thirds of the world’s refugees have been in exile for more than five years.

The number of total displaced people increased by 5.8 million last year.

 

[kmoose]

You're aware that most of the refugees are still in the Middle East, right?

Which is even MORE of a reason for Western countries to better vet those requesting asylum. If the number of immigrants going to Western countries is a minority, then that means that the percentage of troublemakers getting to the West is much higher; possibly an indicator that terrorists/agitators ARE indeed mingling in with refugees in order to infiltrate the West.

 

[ickythump1225]

I should have stopped reading here...



Uh huh. What is it about using the word entitled/entitlement to spearhead criticisms coming from the Right? It's like a god damn dog whistle over there.[/QUOTE
They aren't citizens entitled to the same rights as a citizen. They aren't needed or wanted here, they are here as guests. When the guests start trashing your yard it is time to end the party and throw them out.

Do you know what wasn't needed? The toppling of Saddam, or the sloppy occupation of Iraq that created terrorists by the thousands, or the arming of an incompetent Iraqi military, or the subverting of the Assad regime, etc that all allowed ISIS to go on this run and cause this refugee crisis in the first place. None of that was needed, but we felt entitled to do it anyway.

Okay everyone, except maybe Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton, agree that America's foreign policy (which has been bipartisan) over the past 20 years sucks, but why do innocent Western women and children have to pay that price? America is going to face a lot of negative consequences for its Middle Eastern policy, but women getting raped on the streets of Denmark, Germany, France, the Netherlands, England, etc. shouldn't be one of them. Just because we made a mistake in foreign policy doesn't mean our people should have to pay that price forever and ever.

America has enough problems to deal with but somehow other countries' immigration policies are on that list.

Who said the West is adding millions of criminals?

Crime statistics and the daily news. Germany went from a 1st world nation to a nation that has train stabbings, pregnant women getting hatcheted to death, and suicide bombings (all in a weeks timespan) in about a year since they decided to commit suicide. Isn't diversity fun?

You're aware that most of the refugees are still in the Middle East, right?

Can we send the rest of them back there?

 

[ickythump1225]

"Well okay we destroyed those countries but there have been isolated incidents of rape in the West so aren't we basically even?"

We don't owe them anything. We owe our citizens everything. 1 western woman getting raped at the hands of a rapefugee is too many. If you think I'm going to feel super sorry for the state of the Middle East I won't because the modus operandi of the Middle East since the dawn of history has been nearly nonstop tribal warfare with intermittent periods of peace. America's foreign policy for the past 20 years has been horrible and has lead to a lot of negative consequences for a lot of people, that is why I want to change it. That being said, our citizens shouldn't have to pay the price for our puppet masters mistakes.

The U.S. has paid a steep price already for our foolish interventionism. Asking our people to put up with 3rd world style terrorist attacks daily isn't some form of cosmic justice. It's ethno-machismo and suicidal.

By the way the only thing "isolated" about the refugee rape epidemic in the West is media's coverage of it.

 

[calvegas04]

a new bombing in Germany yesterday from a Syrian refugee

Ansbach bomber pledged allegiance to ISIS - CNN.com

 

[Buster Bluth]

We don't owe them anything. We owe our citizens everything. 1 western woman getting raped at the hands of a rapefugee is too many. If you think I'm going to feel super sorry for the state of the Middle East I won't because the modus operandi of the Middle East since the dawn of history has been nearly nonstop tribal warfare with intermittent periods of peace. America's foreign policy for the past 20 years has been horrible and has lead to a lot of negative consequences for a lot of people, that is why I want to change it. That being said, our citizens shouldn't have to pay the price for our puppet masters mistakes.

The U.S. has paid a steep price already for our foolish interventionism. Asking our people to put up with 3rd world style terrorist attacks daily isn't some form of cosmic justice. It's ethno-machismo and suicidal.

By the way the only thing "isolated" about the refugee rape epidemic in the West is media's coverage of it.

I don't think you have a damn clue what you're talking about.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't think you have a damn clue what you're talking about.

Ohhh sick burn. Why don't you enlighten us all with your wisdom. I'm not sure anyone is listening anymore considering your worldview and the ideas you support have led to Europe becoming a 3rd world style warzone. I'm sure all of the Germans who enthusiastically lined up at the train station with their "Refugees Welcome" shirts and liberal smugness are singing a different tune. Europeans are getting a hard lesson in the reality that not all people are the same and not all cultures are equal.

You can sit there with smug liberal assurance that you know what you're talking about and vote for Gary Johnson all day long if you want. Just know that if you get your wish someday innocent Americans will pay for the insanity of your ideas. People like you never pay though, you'll have moved away to a less diverse neighborhood before you have to reap what you've showed.

 

[dshans]

... Just know that if you get your wish someday innocent Americans will pay for the insanity of your ideas. People like you never pay though, you'll have moved away to a less diverse neighborhood before you have to reap what you've showed.

Well, aside from the fact that the word you were unsuccessfully reaching for was "sowed," you are full of chaff.


Will that payment be cash, credit or debit card?

 

[ickythump1225]

Well, aside from the fact that the word you were unsuccessfully reaching for was "sowed," you are full of chaff.


Will that payment be cash, credit or debit card?

 

[ickythump1225]

ISIS knifemen film themselves murdering French priest in Normandy attack | Daily Mail Online

Yeah Buster we should just keep the borders open, what we would do without such cultural enrichment?